Anybody here know the numbers as to how many votes Kamala Harris missed out on because of Gaza?

[Eliot Rosewater]

While I watch my country be completely destroyed, while I watch Republicans arrest Democrats to force them to let the Republicans illegally gerrymander their state, I’m wondering if something happened in 2024 that happened not that long ago, happened again maybe?

Before I discuss it further I would really need to know how many potential voters said no to Kamala because of Gaza, an absurd and stupid reason to do it but you know, that need for candidates to be 100% pure in order to get their support, I’m sincerely asking I would like to know if anyone has dove that deep into the numbers.

[FalloutShelter]

1. I have not, but I feel you.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Not that it matters anymore, since the likely reality is we will have

No more elections to be stupid in anyway.

[leftstreet]

2. Rank and file Democrats failed her

If they were influenced by her stance on Gaza, you could maybe Google it?

[markodochartaigh]

4. I haven't seen those numbers specifically,

but US Muslims are reportedly 53-42 Democratic-Republican. Not a huge difference.

I would be interested in finding out what percentage of Gaza voters could have found it on a map 5 years ago, attended even one Gaza protest in the last two decades while Gaza was being treated like a pressure cooker, or who have been to even one protest over Saudi Arabia bombing Yemen with US weapons. I would also be interested where to find those Gaza voters at Lowe's. I would presume in the "Tools" section.



https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/07/21/muslim-americans-share-political-attitudes-with-both-the-democratic-and-republican-parties/

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. That (taken in July 2023-March 2024) compares with 66%-13% in Jan-May 2017

That's the party they identified with. The CAIR exit poll (see below) showed Muslims largely voting for Stein in 2024. What the relative turnout was compared to earlier, I don't know.

[markodochartaigh]

11. Certainly,

without the turnout number the other numbers lack needed context.

[Tetrachloride]

5. Several hundred thousand nationwide wouldn't surprise me

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. The main problem is the election was rigged

Which I can’t even talk about in most places without taking a lot of shit, I keep begging people to watch the now three part cyber security experts information on the Christopher Titus YouTube channel.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. I wonder if anybody would like to explain why they did not

Vote for Kamala Harris because of Gaza, would love to hear the explanation.

[LeftInTX]

9. I know of three local strong Democrats who did not vote for her due to Gaza.

They were active in the Democratic party.
They aren't Muslim either.
They voted for Stein or some other.

They personally said that the Democrats were supporting genocide.

Outside the party, it's probably much higher.


The ones that I know, probably didn't think Trump would win.

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. Can you ask them what they did in 2016?

[LeftInTX]

13. Hillary

They aren't "far left" types.

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. Oh OK, actually I should've added one more thing.

About some who did vote for her but made it known to everyone around them that they didn’t really want to.

But there’s no point in pursuing this anymore I suppose, the country is gone, it’s over. I’m still gonna fight as if it isn’t but 3 1/2 more years of this is not possible for us to withstand.

[LeftInTX]

18. It was over Gaza. Simple and literally.

I did not know them during the 2016 primaries. They may have voted for Bernie, but were Hillary supporters in the general. Likewise, we had quite a large primary field in 2020 and everyone supported Biden in the general. I know one of them was a Warren supporter in the 2020 primary.

[Tetrachloride]

20. i know as many as 4 non Muslim anti Dem establishment voters

in my near area.

[electric_blue68]

25. I Blame Them, and Everyone who Ddn't Vote for either Hillary, or Kamala!

It's on their effin' hands!

Plus the SC partly ruining The VRA, States taking voters off the their rolls!

[LeftInTX]

28. Yep! They think they're high and mighty....NOT!

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. CAIR exit poll of Muslims for 2024

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today released the first set of results from its 2024 exit poll of 1,575 verified American Muslim voters.

The national results show Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein received 53% of the Muslim vote, followed by President-elect Donald Trump with 21% and Vice President Kamala Harris with 20%.

CAIR also released Michigan-specific responses from 502 registered Muslim voters, revealing that Dr. Stein received 59% support, with Trump at 22% and Harris at 14%.

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-exit-poll-of-muslim-voters-reveals-surge-in-support-for-jill-stein-and-donald-trump-steep-decline-for-harris/

I know it's not the question you're asking, but it is related.

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. Very helpful, thank you.

The question that we’ll be very hard to answerby any polling that I know of which is why I’m asking in case someone did some deep diving is who these people would’ve voted for had it not been for Gaza.

It is my contention that it was a lot of people that would’ve otherwise voted for Kamala.

But like I said several times in hopes that people will watch the three parts on Christopher Titus‘s YouTube about how the election was rigged, that is why we lost, rigged election.

[lostincalifornia]

26. They definitely contributed to our loss in Michigan and Wisconsin, along

with labor, young people, and Hispanics splitting the vote vote, and women not turning out in the numbers anticipated

Those that claim the election was “rigged” have yet to provide credible evidence.

The 2000 election had definite problems, but the main problem is the flawed electoral college. The Southern Strategy of Nixon favors republicans since LBJ and the Civil Rights Act.

The country is full of bigots, sexists, and one-issue voters, and social media which propagates lies and misinformation.

[markpkessinger]

14. I think that is going to be very hard to pin down . . .

You poll people as to why they supported, or did not support, a particular candidate. But polling people as to why they were so indifferent as to not vote at all? Much more difficult!

[Eliot Rosewater]

17. Exactly why simple searches will reveal nothing on this

And why I am asking in case there’s any buddy here but yes.

The idea that we lost another election because people demanded that the candidate be with them on 100% of the issues instead of 98% of the issues, will drive me insane.

Granted, this issue is huge, but no rational human being could vote in such a way that puts Trump in office if they support Gaza. By doing so they have literally signed the death warrant of many if not all Palestinians.

[LeftInTX]

19. There is tons of visual propaganda with Gaza!!!

The Palestinians are very good at showing carnage and making sure it's spread all over the world. That's their thing. They are extremely graphic. They go into hospitals and film all sorts of things westerners won't film. (No HIPAA or privacy) over there! It would be like us showing videos of school shooting victims mangled victims. They also loop it over and over.

Al Jazeera Arabic has very different content than Al Jazeera English.

Carnage sells!

[AloeVera]

22. People being carnaged want the world to see.

To help stop the carnage, I assume. How absurd of them....not really.

I also recall seeing pics, videos and documentaries about Oct. 7th. It was saturation coverage everywhere for months.

People want their suffering seen. Especially when it is in the moment and ONGOING - it's a cry for help, I would think, not an adverisement.

And for certain politicians and their supporters, if it helps sell a WAR, the more pics and videos, whole websites devoted to it even - all the better!

[LeftInTX]

29. And how did people in the US respond? They ended up voting for more it!

[iemanja]

35. The Palestinians have no capacity to get footage out

(except for Hamas and that horrific video of the hostage digging his own grave.) The people of Palestine don't even have the capacity to feed themselves. The information is coming from doctors who have been to Gaza and human rights organizations, including two Israeli ones who have investigated the situation in Gaza. The only propaganda comes from the state which is in the process of starving the population to death and constructing a camp where they plan to permanently put all Gazans so they can take the land. The evidence is now overwhelming. The only variable is whether we have enough of a conscience to denounce it.

Doctors like these: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20536564

And the leaders of the two Israeli human rights organizations:

If Israel didn't ban journalists from entering Gaza, we could have better information.

[LeftInTX]

36. I saw tons of it!

Al Jazeera Arabic (Not the English stuff) had it.

Lots of Arabic language media outlets.
You can't tell me otherwise.
I saw tons of it on YouTube.
There are lot of small Arabic media outlets. No English.
They also film with cell phones.

[LeftInTX]

38. Alot of it are short videos obtained from Telegram. Most of these are NSFW. However, much worse is out there.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/11/24/1214534579/images-war-gaza-israel-vicarious-trauma-stress

https://www.reddit.com/r/mentalhealth/comments/17vjc4q/actual_gore_on_social_media_from_the_isrealgaza/

https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/latest-news/today-in-security/2025/august/gore-sites-extremism/

Hamas turns to social media to get its message out — and to spread fear
https://wapo.st/41u56Kn

https://bestgore.fun/w/eZVv3Yu9dCWow7Wq3jYMKd

https://www.livegore.com/429823/children-civilians-shredded-pieces-after-strike-hospital

https://www.livegore.com/429924/israeli-airstrike-alaraby-hospital-killing-including-children

Al Jazeera English blurs bodies out, but Al Jazeera Arabic does not. I discovered Al Jazeera Arabic when Al Jazeera English slowed down their coverage. So, I flipped the YouTube channel.

&rco=1&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish

From April 2024

&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish

From July 19, 2025 AP....However, the Arabic language ones will show wounds close up
Since I don't know Arabic I wouldn't know how to search for graphic videos in Arabic.

&ab_channel=APArchive

Oct 16, 2024

&ab_channel=AssociatedPress

From May 2024

&ab_channel=TIMESNOW

&ab_channel=DemocracyNow%21

From May 2025
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/5/14/video-shows-moment-israeli-missile-hits-gaza-hospital#flips-6372806694112:0


https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/1js0y91/the_full_video_that_was_discovered_on_the/


Since I don't speak or read Arabic and I can't find the worst of it, but in late 2023, they were all over YouTube.

[betsuni]

40. Yes there is! Stirring up emotion, outrage and disgust, advertising to attract more customers in the Arab world

and beyond.

[David__77]

21. Probably somewhat higher than the number of voters whose relatives were killed by US-supplied munitions in Gaza.

[AloeVera]

23. Perfect.

[Ping Tung]

24. I think most voted for her even if they were rightly concerned about Gaza and the genocide.

I did, and my wife did despite Kamala's failure to speak out. Hopefully the Democrats will come together on Gaza and employ all of their efforts to end the slaughter.

Note: I'm not a "purist", "dogmatist", "ideologue, or "true believer".

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

[ImNotGod]

27. I think we lost a lot of Gen Z votes over it and of course Arab population centers. Both groups realize now, too late,

that the fucked up big time.

[iemanja]

30. Not enough to make her lose

Michigan perhaps, but Trump also won states with very low Muslim populations.

The Democratic party should have taken a stand, not because of electoral politics but because it is the only right thing to do, just as we all should take a stand today. The difference now is that the GOP is in power, and they don't give a shit. In fact, they want all the Palestinians killed. We could have stood a chance at persuasion had the Democrats retained power.

[LeftInTX]

31. I don't think so. Lots of white people didn't vote or voted third party all over the country.

[iemanja]

32. I think we are agreeing

No?

[LeftInTX]

33. I think it effected other states. Lots of white, young people voted against Kamala.

In Texas, a milquetoast senate candidate did better than Kamala. Colin ran a fairly poor campaign. And you can't blame it on racism because Colin himself is black.

[H2O Man]

34. Of course not.

There is no way anyone "knows." There can only be speculation as to what the total might be, which would have to ignore that there were likely other issues influencing the decision to not vote for VP Harris.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

39. All I can say is anyone who was foolish enough to believe Trump would be better for the residents of Gaza

deserves what they get.