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bigtree

(94,688 posts)
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 08:49 PM Aug 2025

He's got that lean they call the "fentanyl fold"

...or, the “fenty lean”








"The White House Medical Unit dispensed prescription medications, including controlled substances, to ineligible White House staff," said the report by the Defense Department's Office of Inspector General...

___In the first nine months of 2019, the White House Medical Unit under Trump—which is responsible for tending to the medical needs of the White House staff—made four separate orders of fentanyl, two orders of morphine and a further two of ketamine. In total, it received 34 packs of fentanyl over the period, records show.

The clinic’s handwritten records from the Trump administration “frequently contained errors in the medication counts, illegible text, or crossed out text that was not appropriately annotated,” the report said.
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He's got that lean they call the "fentanyl fold" (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2025 OP
More like the Fendi lean. GoCubsGo Aug 2025 #1
Hardly Fiendish Thingy Aug 2025 #2
there's been no evidence he has lifts, much less that they're causing his junkie lean bigtree Aug 2025 #7
Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #8
who knows? bigtree Aug 2025 #11
You know Dr. Ronny prescribed to multiple WH staffers, right? Fiendish Thingy Aug 2025 #18
so what? bigtree Aug 2025 #23
Yes, exactly. yardwork Aug 2025 #46
It didn't derail his campaign because Republicans support and vote for Republicans. W_HAMILTON Aug 2025 #29
He has lifts in his shoes, barely an inch of heel coverage. That's why they went flying off when the Secret service diane in sf Aug 2025 #25
Medical issues and shoe lifts are not mutually exclusive possibilities. ShazzieB Aug 2025 #27
Yes he has a drag and swing in his right leg Captain Zero Aug 2025 #38
He's ill and his shoes have a higher than usual heel. At least in one picture I saw of his shoes... littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #28
There are lots of photos suggesting he's worn lifts. yardwork Aug 2025 #45
I recall that Trump yelled to get his shoes-which had come off as the SS pulled him to the floor after riversedge Aug 2025 #44
His diaper if full, that's why everyone is standing back. Emile Aug 2025 #3
The Leaning Tower of TACO! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Aug 2025 #4
You made me laugh! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2025 #5
It's not that. He's leaned like that for awhile, though it seems more pronounced recently. Ocelot II Aug 2025 #6
He was trying to intimidate Newsom. hunter Aug 2025 #16
He does it all the time, nothing to do with Newsom. Ocelot II Aug 2025 #21
Could be he's just made a habit of looming over people he considers subordinates. hunter Aug 2025 #31
He leans forward when there's nobody there, as many photos show. Ocelot II Aug 2025 #32
I think all the globs of man makeup he wears pwb Aug 2025 #9
More like frontotemporal dementia (FTD) with classical forward lean (and toe inserts to try to moderate the lean). hlthe2b Aug 2025 #10
probably from abusing drugs bigtree Aug 2025 #12
He also wears lifts, quite obvious ones obamanut2012 Aug 2025 #13
He's obese and wearing 2" lifts. BigmanPigman Aug 2025 #14
He should be more careful than Ivana when going down stairs. rubbersole Aug 2025 #15
I hope he is NOT more careful... BigmanPigman Aug 2025 #22
That's what I think it is too. He's obese and trying to walk around with those 2" lifts in his shoes. n/t Greybnk48 Aug 2025 #24
I think it's 'dementia posturing'. LudwigPastorius Aug 2025 #17
Lifts? Doesn't make sense to me. Women have been wearing stilettos higher than 2" for years and I have never Marie Marie Aug 2025 #19
That's because women in heels don't stand like stiff boards. GoCubsGo Aug 2025 #41
He's a hulking boob Blue Owl Aug 2025 #20
Back in the last millenium, it was commonly thought that, proportionally, niyad Aug 2025 #26
"Now it occurs to me to wonder how these proportion standards were derived." LudwigPastorius Aug 2025 #33
I scared my kitty!!! niyad Aug 2025 #36
Two things: littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #30
Static Standing Balance: Stability in Stillness littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #34
The heaviest portion of his upper body, the head and shoulders, tip forward. If he moved his allegorical oracle Aug 2025 #47
Pelvic Tilt littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #35
Postural Instability: Causes, Signs, and Management littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #37
Pretty sure that load he's carrying in front would cause that. GoodRaisin Aug 2025 #39
This whole thing confuses me genxlib Aug 2025 #40
I thought it was shoe lifts. He stands like he's got a strong wind at his back. Vinca Aug 2025 #42
C'mon, now... don't make up shit. There is already too much misinfo/disinfo, in general, floating around. n/t demmiblue Aug 2025 #43

GoCubsGo

(35,007 posts)
1. More like the Fendi lean.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 08:59 PM
Aug 2025

As in the clothing designer's high heels. He's wearing lifts, and I'm sure the weight of his massive gut and man boobs are also pulling him forward.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,135 posts)
2. Hardly
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:05 PM
Aug 2025

Of course, those are his lifts causing the lean.

Living in a town with its share of fentanyl addicts, their lean is much more pronounced- upper half is almost perpendicular to lower half of the body much of the time.

bigtree

(94,688 posts)
7. there's been no evidence he has lifts, much less that they're causing his junkie lean
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:23 PM
Aug 2025

...most reports surmise that it's a neurological medical condition.

Grandpa is ill.

Response to bigtree (Reply #7)

bigtree

(94,688 posts)
11. who knows?
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:07 PM
Aug 2025

...he's yet to release a legitimate medical report.

I think the absolute worst about Trump, and I don't see how people are so sanguuine about not knowing details about his health which other presidents were forced to come clean on.

It opens Trump to speculation like this. He invites it.

Obama, not at all.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,135 posts)
18. You know Dr. Ronny prescribed to multiple WH staffers, right?
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:02 PM
Aug 2025

There’s a reason that story faded so quickly and didn’t derail Jackson’s congressional run.

Obama may be in the clear, but lots of staffers from both administrations were getting pharmaceutical assistance from Dr. Ronny.

bigtree

(94,688 posts)
23. so what?
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:20 PM
Aug 2025

...I'm really not interested in 'other staffers,' or Barack Obama.

Everyone who came forward described the TRUMP WH as the one with an out-of-control medical office.

What's more, staffers in the Obama WH describe a much more stable and reasonable Jackson.

His personal decline looks to have gone hand in hand with his descent into conservatism and maga in the Trump years, which also tracks the reports of a much more out of control medical office under Trump.

No such tales out of the Obama WH, just the fact that Jackson was distributing drugs in an improper fashion. There's not even the same sense that the abuses were as widely known during the Obama years, along with these reports that it was much worse in the Trump regime.

That's not hard to grasp and discern. One president ran a mostly responsible WH, and the other encouraged all sorts of lawlessness and norm and rule-breaking.

There's no credible comparison on the face, or evidenced by anything other than the presence of Jackson in both presidencies, so I think it's a spurious point.

yardwork

(69,663 posts)
46. Yes, exactly.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 09:30 AM
Aug 2025

If there had been a whiff of a problem in the Obama administration the press would have been all over it. There was nothing.

W_HAMILTON

(10,439 posts)
29. It didn't derail his campaign because Republicans support and vote for Republicans.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:10 AM
Aug 2025

Meanwhile, we have self-proclaimed Democrats defending Trump and a Navy-demoted drunkard found to be a sexual harasser.

diane in sf

(4,254 posts)
25. He has lifts in his shoes, barely an inch of heel coverage. That's why they went flying off when the Secret service
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:38 PM
Aug 2025

tackled him during the “assassination” attempt in Pennsylvania. It’s also why the first thing he did after being tackled was to scream for his shoes.

The forward lean is also a symptom of frontotemporal dementia.

ShazzieB

(22,890 posts)
27. Medical issues and shoe lifts are not mutually exclusive possibilities.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:00 AM
Aug 2025

I think he has something neurological going on. That could account for his odd stance, as well as the gait problems he has times, where one of his legs seems to sort of drag.

However, I also believe he has lifts in his shoes. There are closeup photos of his shoes that support this.

There's no reason both of these things can't be true at the same time.

Captain Zero

(8,954 posts)
38. Yes he has a drag and swing in his right leg
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:42 AM
Aug 2025

That is not a normal gait.
Its more pronounced at certain times.
Watch his right leg below the knee when he is walking.

I think it could have been caused by a stroke.

littlemissmartypants

(34,399 posts)
28. He's ill and his shoes have a higher than usual heel. At least in one picture I saw of his shoes...
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:02 AM
Aug 2025

Show the heels and they were like a short boot heel. My daddy was short and he wore something similar.

Bottom line, he's ill.

yardwork

(69,663 posts)
45. There are lots of photos suggesting he's worn lifts.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 09:28 AM
Aug 2025

I agree that he's not well, but there is also plenty of evidence that he has worn lifts in his shoes, at least in the past.

riversedge

(81,572 posts)
44. I recall that Trump yelled to get his shoes-which had come off as the SS pulled him to the floor after
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 08:47 AM
Aug 2025

shots were fired. Trumps ''tallness" is very important to him.

Ocelot II

(131,261 posts)
6. It's not that. He's leaned like that for awhile, though it seems more pronounced recently.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:18 PM
Aug 2025

Though there's been speculation that it's because of lifts in his shoes, that doesn't seem likely because that posture is pretty unusual despite the fact that a lot of people wear lifts in their shoes. It could be the beginning of camptocormia, "a condition associated with neurological disorders such as Parkinson’s disease. Camptocormia causes individuals to lean forward when standing or walking often as a result of muscle weakness or spinal degeneration. Another possibility is some form of frontotemporal dementia." https://vocal.media/theSwamp/why-does-donald-trump-lean-forward-a-closer-look-at-the-mystery-behind-his-posture

hunter

(40,862 posts)
31. Could be he's just made a habit of looming over people he considers subordinates.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:13 AM
Aug 2025

He even does it for the microphones.

My mom used to put her finger against their foreheads and push them back.

I once saw her do this to a Bishop of the Catholic Church.

A bad situation got much uglier after that.

I had an interesting childhood I've yet to recover from.

Ocelot II

(131,261 posts)
32. He leans forward when there's nobody there, as many photos show.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:16 AM
Aug 2025

It's the way he stands all the time, and it isn't normal, but it hasn't anything to do with intimidating people. He does that with his handshake where he grabs the other person's hand and yanks them toward him. His weird stance is something else altogether.

hlthe2b

(114,720 posts)
10. More like frontotemporal dementia (FTD) with classical forward lean (and toe inserts to try to moderate the lean).
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:03 PM
Aug 2025

The toe pads are meant to reduce the lean or at least keep him from toppling over.

Frontotemporal dementia (FTD) can significantly impact posture and balance, including a tendency to lean forward. This leaning, sometimes described as "dementia posturing," is a significant symptom and fall risk factor in FTD. (Patients with Alzheimers disease (AD) tend to lean back.


Specific FTD symptoms that contribute to balance problems

-- Gait Disturbances: Patients may exhibit a shuffling gait, difficulty initiating movement, or "freezing" while walking.
--Postural Instability: They might struggle to maintain an upright posture, experience swaying or leaning, and be more prone to falls.
-- Muscle Stiffness and Rigidity: Affecting various muscle groups, including the trunk, neck, and limbs, can hinder flexibility and movement.
----Tremors and Involuntary Movements: Jerking or twitching movements can further impact coordination.
Difficulty Swallowing: This can be present, especially in later stages, according to the UCSF Health website.


Some here may have seen the quick jerking "tic" that Trump displayed before a podium when trying to leave and allude a question about Epstein last week. He does this intermittently--also a sign suggesting FTD. His father was diagnosed with AD (Alzheimers) but it is possible it was actually FTD.

bigtree

(94,688 posts)
12. probably from abusing drugs
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:16 PM
Aug 2025

...the degeneracy in that man is beyond giving him the benefit of the doubt on anything.

Could be Adderall, Valium, Ambien, Provigil... all drugs he's been associated with by witnesses over the years.

He has no moral standing to withstand any accusation of deviancy.

rubbersole

(11,277 posts)
15. He should be more careful than Ivana when going down stairs.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:52 PM
Aug 2025

Bah-bump, bah-bump, bah-bump...

BigmanPigman

(55,542 posts)
22. I hope he is NOT more careful...
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:18 PM
Aug 2025

I want him to die ASAP!!!!!

I hope it is on live TV. I hope they play it on super huge screens at his funeral. I hope to see millions of happy Americans join me in celebrating the death of Adolf tRump!!!

dancing in the streets.

"Ding Dong, the tRump is dead,
Ding dong the wicked tRump is dead"

I want to see flying monkeys and skywriting planes over DC.



?si=4tHJgaz1HdOdWXYw

Actually, I will be dancing and singing to this song even more as a follow up party tune...

?si=D1iXQTv5p_e1Jo0s

Greybnk48

(10,753 posts)
24. That's what I think it is too. He's obese and trying to walk around with those 2" lifts in his shoes. n/t
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:29 PM
Aug 2025

Marie Marie

(11,531 posts)
19. Lifts? Doesn't make sense to me. Women have been wearing stilettos higher than 2" for years and I have never
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:04 PM
Aug 2025

seen a woman'a whole body lean forward like that. I think a medical condition as described in some posts above is more likely.

GoCubsGo

(35,007 posts)
41. That's because women in heels don't stand like stiff boards.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 07:31 AM
Aug 2025

They bend their knees, and tip their pelvis differently. And, they usually put one leg forward. If they stood the way Trump does, they'd look like they were about to fall over, too.

niyad

(134,058 posts)
26. Back in the last millenium, it was commonly thought that, proportionally,
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:53 PM
Aug 2025

when a person is standing, the extended hand would reach about mid-thigh, on average. In looking at this image, donnie doll hands doesn't even come close. Now, to be fair, neither does the guy standing between the woman in red, and the woman in maroon.

Just a little something I noticed. I have never been able to stand looking at his face long enough to see if the proportions there are off or not.

Now it occurs to me to wonder how these proportion standards were derived.

LudwigPastorius

(15,023 posts)
33. "Now it occurs to me to wonder how these proportion standards were derived."
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:18 AM
Aug 2025

I think it was Browning who said, "a man's reach should exceed his grasp...or at least be long enough to adjust his junk"

littlemissmartypants

(34,399 posts)
30. Two things:
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:12 AM
Aug 2025

●He doesn't quite qualify for the fenty fold. It's more pronounced and less erect.
●An actual legit medical record would not have something totally scratched out on it. The proper medical procedure (non EHR*) is to draw one line through the error and initial it.

*EHR: electronic health records

❤️

littlemissmartypants

(34,399 posts)
34. Static Standing Balance: Stability in Stillness
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:18 AM
Aug 2025

Static balance refers to the ability to maintain a stable position or postural balance while being motionless.

It involves keeping the body aligned and centered against the force of gravity in a controlled manner. Activities that promote static balance focus on postural stability and can be particularly useful for patients who require support in maintaining an upright position.

Here are some key points about static balance:

1. Postural Control: Static balance exercises aim to improve postural control by engaging the muscles responsible for maintaining an aligned and upright posture. These exercises often involve keeping the core engaged while maintaining a specific position, such as a single-leg stand or sitting unsupported, for an extended period.
2. Core Strengthening and Stability: Static balance requires a strong and stable core. The muscles in the abdomen, back, and pelvis as well as the glute and leg muscles play a crucial role in maintaining an upright position. Keeping the core muscles engaged through static balance exercises can help improve overall stability.
3. Focus on Endurance: Static balance exercises typically focus on building endurance, as the goal is to maintain a position for an extended period. This endurance training can enhance the ability to sustain a stable posture during daily activities that involve prolonged standing or sitting.

https://thenoteninjas.com/blog/f/static-balance-vs-dynamic-balance-in-therapy

allegorical oracle

(6,595 posts)
47. The heaviest portion of his upper body, the head and shoulders, tip forward. If he moved his
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 09:41 AM
Aug 2025

shoulders back to a more alert position, his head would be more erect and the forward lean would lessen.

littlemissmartypants

(34,399 posts)
35. Pelvic Tilt
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:26 AM
Aug 2025

The pelvis, with its anchored sacrum, serves as the foundational base for spinal alignment, with its position in the sagittal plane being determined by the delicate equilibrium between opposing muscle groups that create either anterior or posterior pelvic tilt.[12] Pelvic tilt is a key component of spino-pelvic alignment and has a great affect on overall posture.[13] According to the classical mechanical model, posterior pelvic tilt (also called retroversion) results from the coordinated activation of the gluteus maximus and hamstring muscles, which effectively lower the posterior pelvic rim while elevating the anterior edge, thereby reducing overall pelvic tilt. This movement can be enhanced synergistically through simultaneous activation of the abdominal muscles, (e.g. rectus abdominis, obliquus, and transversus), particularly when the sternum position remains stabilised. Conversely, anterior pelvic tilt (also known as anteversion) occurs through the antagonistic action of the iliopsoas, rectus femoris, and lumbar erector spinae muscles, which collectively increase forward pelvic rotation. The resting pelvic position therefore represents a dynamic equilibrium state determined by the relative activation levels and force contributions of these opposing muscle groups, with this simplified mechanical model assuming symmetrical bilateral muscle activation patterns that may not always reflect the complex reality of human postural control.[12]

https://www.physio-pedia.com/Posture

littlemissmartypants

(34,399 posts)
37. Postural Instability: Causes, Signs, and Management
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 12:37 AM
Aug 2025

Postural instability refers to difficulty maintaining an upright body position and balance, often leading to falls. This condition signals issues within neural pathways regulating posture and balance, particularly those involving the basal ganglia. It is a common concern, especially among older adults, significantly impacting quality of life, mobility.
Snip...much more...
https://biologyinsights.com/postural-instability-causes-signs-and-management/

❤️

genxlib

(6,163 posts)
40. This whole thing confuses me
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 06:46 AM
Aug 2025

The engineer in me just sees a system out of balance. It is normal for humans to stand with their center of mass over their ankles so that the weight is transferred directly through to the floor. That amount of pronounced leaning just shifts your center of mass out over the balls of your feet and forces your leg and back muscles to work overtime.

If I had to guess, I would say it is just bullshit posturing that has been so engrained in him that it is just his new normal. He probably thinks it makes him look tough like some mob enforcer. Like most things with this guy, it is all for show because such a stance would only be a disadvantage in any real conflict

demmiblue

(39,947 posts)
43. C'mon, now... don't make up shit. There is already too much misinfo/disinfo, in general, floating around. n/t
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 07:53 AM
Aug 2025

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