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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUN: Around 88% of aid trucks collected in Gaza since mid-May did not reach destinations due to looting or theft
According to the organization, this was due to the trucks being intercepted either peacefully by hungry people or forcefully by armed actors during transit in Gaza. This accounts for 88% of all trucks.
In recent months, the percentages were even higher. According to UNOPS, in June, 1,155 trucks were collected by the UN and its partner organizations, and 1,048 of them 90.7% were intercepted before reaching their destinations. In July, the figure rose to 94%, with 1,161 trucks collected and 1,093 intercepted.
Sneederbunk
(17,481 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Celerity
(54,357 posts)receipts for my claim:
also:
Exclusive: USAID analysis found no evidence of massive Hamas theft of Gaza aid
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/
IDF Officials Say No Evidence Hamas Systematically Stole UN Aid in Gaza
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-26/ty-article/idf-officials-say-no-evidence-hamas-systematically-stole-un-aid-in-gaza-nyt-reports/00000198-46ed-db91-a1df-efef44060000
US government review found no evidence of widespread Hamas theft of Gaza aid
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/25/politics/us-government-review-no-evidence-widespread-theft-gaza-aid
NYT: Israel has no evidence of systematic Hamas looting of UN aid in Gaza
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/nyt-israel-has-no-evidence-of-systematic-hamas-looting-of-un-aid-in-gaza/
related:
Armed by Netanyahu, gangs of Gaza hold sway in the rubble. The Israeli prime minister admited arming Gazan clans.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220537754#post7
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)That leaves aid deliveries unaffiliated with USAID, such as aid financed by Saudi Arabia, EU, the Emirates, Britain, Bahrain, etc., out of their analysis.
That's the majority of aid being delivered in Gaza that was left out.
And as far as I know, the vast majority of aid in Gaza is being distributed by the UN, the author of the aforementioned report.
Celerity
(54,357 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Not too difficult to figure it out, IDF or not.
Melon
(1,521 posts)My post on it was removed as a right wing talking point. TikTok and X were full of videos last week of armed Hamas taking multiple semis of relief supplies. The argument is that it was not routinely occurring, but this is not what was being said by Palestine commentators.
AZProgressive
(29,927 posts)Those are the ones looting the food and selling it higher prices. Even a salafist/wahabbi group was allowed to steal aid which was blamed on Hamas.
Israel killed the police force in Gaza so there is no law enforcement to deal with the gangs looting and stealing food and selling it at higher prices. They used to escort the aid convoys.
Melon
(1,521 posts)I was going off of what was written and my belief that Hamas was somewhat still in control.
lapucelle
(21,053 posts)aka an appeal to ignorance
https://www.logicalyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-from-Ignorance
For those who prefer pictures:

Eko
(9,988 posts)"Majority are overrun by starving, desperate people, not Hamas or other armed groups, UN staffer tells ToI, adding problem didnt exist during January truce, when aid was sufficient."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/almost-9-in-10-aid-trucks-looted-before-reaching-gaza-destinations-un-figures-show/
If you follow it to the original link.
EdmondDantes_
(1,775 posts)Weird to not just ignore the inconvenient part, but to do so after citing it.
Eko
(9,988 posts)EdmondDantes_
(1,775 posts)You're pointing out the inconvenient part.
I'm sorry about the confusion.
Eko
(9,988 posts)Keep on keeponing.
Eko
sarisataka
(22,670 posts)Would the response be if the IDF did protect the trucks?
Sneederbunk
(17,481 posts)sarisataka
(22,670 posts)Honesty is any any action the IDF had to take to protect the food convoy would be perceived in the most negative light possible. We already see Israel, being accused of using the food distribution points as bait stations to hunt. The convoy would be said to be rolling bait stations that the IDF is using simply to draw their quarry in closer.
Sneederbunk
(17,481 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 5, 2025, 10:03 PM - Edit history (1)
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)Gimme a break...
Eko
(9,988 posts)"Majority are overrun by starving, desperate people, not Hamas or other armed groups, UN staffer tells ToI, adding problem didnt exist during January truce, when aid was sufficient."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/almost-9-in-10-aid-trucks-looted-before-reaching-gaza-destinations-un-figures-show/
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Quite possible, if UN felt compelled to report on themselves.
Eko
(9,988 posts)Is Israel currently letting armed UN forces into Gaza? No. To be completely fair neither is hamas. Your attempt to blame the UN for something falls completely flat.
One other small thing to consider is the rest of the quote, "adding problem didnt exist during January truce, when aid was sufficient"
Imagine that, when people aren't starving they act a bit more reasonable. When starving, they don't. But you got to bash the UN for what Israel has done .
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Eko
(9,988 posts)If you remember I said that both Israel and hamas wont let UN armed forces in. In other words, both their fault.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Didn't stop you, did it?
Eko
(9,988 posts)Knowing full well that they and hamas control who and what goes in and out of Gaza.
"UN failure to control crowds in majority of looting incidents?"
So, yeah, you did.
Celerity
(54,357 posts)One member, Abu Shabab, who denies all ties to Israel, now controls aid distribution
https://www.thetimes.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-war/article/armed-by-netanyahu-gangs-of-gaza-hold-sway-in-the-rubble-gzqqgh9z3
https://archive.ph/MORKK

Yasser Abu Shabab belongs to a Bedouin tribe opposed to Hamas, but has been disowned since ties to Israel were revealed
Amal Helles, Gabrielle Weiniger Sunday June 08 2025, 10.15pm BST
Yasser Abu Shabab found freedom in the form of an Israeli airstrike. Weeks after a prison break from a Hamas cell where he was jailed for drug trafficking, Abu Shabab is thought to be part of Israels grand plan to weaken Hamas. The 31-year-old Bedouin from the powerful Tarabin desert tribe has risen to the top of the Israeli war experiment in eastern Rafah, where Israeli tanks surround a barren sector teeming with the hungry and displaced, dependent on a new aid distribution system said to be run by contractors and secured by Abu Shabab.
He claims his group, self-styled as the Anti-Terror Service or Popular Forces, has no ties to Israel and has inherited the weaponry it has used to arm its estimated 300 fighters, many of whom are members of his clan, paid mercenaries and locals. We have not and will not work with the occupation, Abu Shabab said in his first public statement this week. Weve never met any Israeli officer, he insisted, adding that his mission was a humanitarian project that welcomes families to areas under his control, fleeing war-torn Gaza and famine.

This week, however, Binyamin Netanyhu, Israels prime minister admitted arming Gazan clans, without naming Abu Shabab. We made use of clans in Gaza that are opposed to Hamas Whats wrong with that? Netanyahu said on Thursday. Its only good. It saves the lives of IDF soldiers. The outing met severe criticism from Israels opposition, its leader Yair Lapid accusing Netanyahu of arming an organisation close to Isis. After Netanyahu stopped giving millions of dollars to Hamas, he moved on to giving weapons to organisations close to Isis in Gaza, all off the cuff, all without strategic planning, all leading to more disasters, Lapid posted on X.

Abu Shababs force protects the distribution of aid by the Gaza Humanitarian Fund, sources said. The group has been mired in controversy after tens of thousands of Palestinians descended on newly opened distribution points last week and several dozen people were killed. Abu Shababs militia has filled the vacuum left by the retreat from eastern Rafah, where civil infrastructure has all but collapsed. For months, gangs and groups such as Abu Shababs have seized aid trucks coming in from Kerem Shalom, sources said, demanding protection money for their release while claiming to protect them from Hamas theft.
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Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Someone must tell Iran's ayatollahs about it. They probably never considered doing the same thing for Hamas.
Celerity
(54,357 posts)You are the one who posted about aid not getting through.
Well, there is a massive part of the problem; Bibi-paid gangsters.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)The UN report doesn't tell us the relative standings of Netanyahu-funded thugs vs Ayatolla-funded thugs, but I doubt that a 900-member gang can physically steal as much aid as a 15,000 member gang.
Celerity
(54,357 posts)
The premiers policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas or anyone else in the Palestinian Authoritys West Bank government from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.
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Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza. Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip. Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset.
Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015. According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
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Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Celerity
(54,357 posts)They want it all. All of Gaza, all of the West Bank, and then they can work on booting out/extirpating the Palestinians left in Isrel proper, plus move on to taking other parts of their Eretz Yisrael vision, such as Jordan.

Smotrich says theres no Palestinian people, declares his family real Palestinians
In Paris, far-right minister says Palestinian nation is an invention of past 100 years, and world should hear this truth; speaks in front of Israel map that includes Jordan
https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-lawmaker-bezalel-smotrich-declares-himself-his-family-real-palestinians/

Far-right lawmaker Bezalel Smotrich said Sunday that the Palestinian people were an invention from the last century and that people like himself and his grandparents were the real Palestinians.
Speaking in Paris at a private memorial service for prominent right-wing Likud activist and Jewish Agency board member Jacques Kupfer, who passed away after a long battle with cancer in 2021, Smotrich said there was no such thing as Palestinians because theres no such thing as the Palestinian people, a comment that was met with applause and cheers from attendees, as seen in a video from the event posted online.
Do you know who are the Palestinians? asked the head of the ultranationalist Religious Zionism party and Israels finance minister. Im Palestinian, he said, also mentioning his grandmother who was born in the northern Israeli town of Metula 100 years ago, and his grandfather, a 13th-generation Jerusalemite, as the real Palestinians. Smotrich was speaking from a podium that featured a map of Greater Israel that included the territory of modern-day Jordan, in accordance with hardline aspirations by some early Zionist groups.
Smotrich has a history of making inflammatory statements against Palestinians, Arab citizens of Israel, non-Orthodox Jews, and the LGBTQ community including once declaring himself a proud homophobe. In 2021, he said David Ben-Gurion, Israels first prime minister, should have finished the job and kicked all Arabs out of the country when it was founded. Earlier that same year, he said members of Israels Arab minority communities were citizens for now at least.
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Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)The war started October 2023.
Netnyahu tacitly allowing funds to go to Hamas happened a decade earlier.
Did Netanyahu anticipate the UN report back then to make it part of his and his fascist supporters' plan?
I don't get the connection.
Nanjeanne
(6,585 posts)Hamas (and poor starving people) - without recognizing that the IDF/Israel are complicit. There may be many factors for why this starvation is going on. But dammit all -- it's happening and it should be stopped. End of story.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)without recognizing a number of other parties, including Hamas, for being complicit in the starvation that is going on in Gaza.
It should be stopped, but it is only possible when all factors that contribute to the starvation in Gaza are taken into account.
lapucelle
(21,053 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 7, 2025, 09:02 AM - Edit history (1)
why there is more aid being offloaded than being collected for distribution?
What happened to the 13,000 pallets/9,000 tons of aid?

Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)In totally unrelated news, Gaza markets, where Gazan civilians are forced to pay an arm and a leg for the goods, are bustling!
lapucelle
(21,053 posts)From the BBC
From the window of his apartment in central Gaza, Anas Al-Masry has spotted the silhouettes of parachutes dropping food from the sky.
But he's never been close enough to get his hands on any. Within a couple of hours, he sees the same parcels of aid for sale at local markets.
"The problem is that the packages are sold at crazy prices," he tells me. "This requires cash, and cash is also not generally available in Gaza."
In order to buy cash with funds in his bank account, he says, vendors charge a 55% fee, which he simply cannot afford.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgvnp57yp7t?post=asset%3A490b94e8-ec2f-48af-9a66-1f3116880e78#post
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Imagine profiteering in a time of war by selling donated humanitarian aid to your neighbors at exorbitant prices.
EdmondDantes_
(1,775 posts)The way to stop that is to provide enough aid.
lapucelle
(21,053 posts)for what is supposed to be free.
Is the claim that profiteers were always selling donated humanitarian aid to their neighbors, but now the prices are higher?

