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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas, every child in Gaza is the enemy"
Unforgivable war crimes. Crimes against humanity!
"As Hitler said, 'I cannot live if one Jew is left'. We can't live here if one 'Islamo-Nazi' remains in Gaza." - Moshe Feiglin
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-16/ty-article/former-israeli-mk-quotes-hitler-while-discussing-gaza-war/00000190-224f-d231-a1b2-e65f76fe0000
"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas, every child in Gaza is the enemy. We need to occupy Gaza and settle it, and not a single Gazan child will be left there. There is no other victory," -Moshe Feiglin
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/moshe-feiglin-every-baby-in-gaza-is-an-enemy-ex-israeli-lawmakers-shocking-remarks-8477020
Moshe Feiglins appalling call for the extermination of Gazan children is not just a window into a genocidal worldviewit shatters any claim to moral credibility he or his defenders might assert. This isn't politics. It's an open endorsement of war crimes and a chilling invocation of ethnic cleansing, reminiscent of humanitys darkest eras. To label infants as enemies and dress up mass murder as victory is not an act of strengthits the deranged rhetoric of people utterly severed from basic human decency. If the international community had any resolve, Feiglins name would already stand alongside the architects of genocide. Instead, we witness a deafening silence from global leaders, as the children he vilifies continue to suffer and die. Let it be clear: this is not self-defense. This is a call to annihilate. And history will remember who stood against it, and who said nothing.
Anyone defending this isn't defending democracy or Israel, theyre defending fascism.
"Moshe Zalman Feiglin (Hebrew: מֹשֶׁה זַלְמָן פֶייגְּלִין; born 31 July 1962) is a right libertarian-leaning Israeli politician and activist, and the leader of libertarian Zionist party Zehut. As a member of Likud, he headed the Manhigut Yehudit (Jewish Leadership) faction within the party, and represented Likud in the Knesset between 2013 and 2015"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin
vanessa_ca
(947 posts)
Uncle Joe
(65,127 posts)Thanks for the thread vanessa_ca
Ping Tung
(4,370 posts)vanessa_ca
(947 posts)And that only 32% among both parties back these horrific crimes. "Disapproval of the military action has now reached 60%."
Nationwide, a Gallup poll released this week found that approval of Israels military actions in Gaza had plummeted to 8 percent among Democrats. By contrast, 71 percent of Republicans said they approved of the countrys military action in the enclave.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/31/us/politics/democrats-israel-gaza-netanyahu.html
Ping Tung
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Even some Israelis are starting to speak out. And more nations are beginning to demand recognition of a Palestinian state.
vanessa_ca
(947 posts)totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)Plus Israel is still supported by many congressional Democrats including Shumer and Gillibrand.
vanessa_ca
(947 posts)https://thebaffler.com/latest/schumers-warning-klion
I mostly agree with you. The war wing of the Republicans is a lost cause, but Trump is bleeding support from young Republicans over this. I took one for the time and watched a town hall Charlie Kirk held. He was pummeled by the younger audience for supporting this.
Crunchy Frog
(28,280 posts)vanessa_ca
(947 posts)womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)A retired US soldier who worked as a mercenary at aid distribution sites in Gaza said he witnessed a five-year-old Palestinian boy being shot and killed by Israeli soldiers who fired on aid seekers, just moments after the boy had thanked him for the food.
Anthony Aguilar, who served in the US military for 25 years, said in an interview on Tuesday that sharing the horrific story, which took place at a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid site, is emotional for me to get through because of the dehumanization of Palestinians.
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leftstreet
(40,666 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)vanessa_ca
(947 posts)I bookmarked a video of an Israeli woman being asked if she cared about all the children being murdered. She said she didn't care at all because "they'll grow up to be Arabs". There were other horrific, uncaring comments, but that one deeply pained my soul.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)vanessa_ca
(947 posts)"With this enemy, it's just like using a lice comb. Just kill them. Just exterminate them."
Shimon Elkabetz is the current chairman of the Israel Film Council and a radio host. In the past, he was the commander of the IDF radio station, "GALATZ, director of state-owned public radio, and held other senior positions in mainstream Israeli media.
This is just tiny, yet representative, sample of channel i24 News, from last night's main news broadcast.
Link to tweet
One day, historians will watch these videos the way we now watch old Nazi footagewhere people spewed dehumanizing, genocidal hate about Jewsand they'll feel the same mix of horror, disbelief, and sorrow. They'll wonder how anyone could speak like this, so openly, and how the world let it happen. My soul weeps.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)You just don't hear much about them.
vanessa_ca
(947 posts)This is a good friend of my brother's. Andrey is a Russian Jew, journalist, who fled and obtained Israeli citizenship following the invasion of Ukraine. I know there are many working together. They changed everything and broke the propaganda.
Link to tweet
Eko
(9,993 posts)vanessa_ca
(947 posts)and I can barely keep up with it.
I googled to find a video of the director of No Other Land getting involved and demanding Israel release Awdah's body and was incredulous to see Awdah already has a wiki page Killing of Awdah Hathaleen
(when they mention that 4 people were arrested, Andrey was one of them. You can see that at 7:30).
Since Thursday, more than 60 women have been on hunger strike in Umm al Khair to demand the return of the body of Awdah Hathaleen.
On Thursday, July 31st, more than 60 women in the Palestinian village of Umm al Khair, in the Southern West Bank initiated a hunger strike to demand the return of the body of community leader Awdah Hathaleen who was killed by an Israeli settler on Monday in broad daylight in the center of his village. They are also demanding the release of all the residents who had been arrested.
Two of the women have already been taken to receive medical treatment as a result of the hunger strike, but they will not stop until demands are met.
Awdah Hathaleen was shot and killed in cold blood on Monday, July 28th by Israeli settler Yinon Levi, who has been sanctioned by multiple foreign governments including the previous US administration. The incident took place during a violent and armed settler attack, in the midst of an invasion into the village, and as settlers were razing village land with heavy machinery. The shooting of Awdah Hathaleen was documented on video and is widely available.
Awdahs injured body was taken by an ambulance to Soroka hospital in Beer Sheva where he was pronounced dead. From there, the police transferred his body for an autopsy at Abu Kabir National Institute of Forensic Medicine in Jaffa. The autopsy was completed on Wednesday afternoon which should have meant the body would be returned to the family for burial rites and to begin the traditional mourning process. However, the police have refused to return the body to the family. They informed the familys representative that the body will only be returned if the family agrees to unreasonably restrictive conditions on the funeral and burial.
The police demanded that the family hold a quick and quiet burial at night--no more than 15 people, outside of the boundaries of the village, and no traditional mourning tent for this community leader and beacon. The family refused saying, "Awdah is not a thief and we will not bury him in the dark".
The family and community are in a state of suspended grief, unable to mourn their loss according to their tradition.
We must continue in this hunger strike, until with Gods help they will release the body. Its the least we can do for Awdah. Awdah was loved by everyone; he helped everyone. Every small child in the village knows and loves him. Theres no one like Awdah, and there never will be anyone like Awdah. We demand for the whole world, for anyone who is able, for anyone who has a voice, to help us return Awdahs body. - one of the hunger strikers
The hunger strikers will continue until their demands are met including the return of Hathaleens body, the release of those arrested from their community, and the arrest of Yinon Levi who is walking free today after a court released him from house arrest.
The women invite journalists to come to the village to talk to them about the strike, Awdah, and their demand to release his body.
Contact Community Press Coordinator, Oneg Ben David to coordinate interviews and visits, +972 54-635-3399, onegbd@gmail.com
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AloeVera
(4,263 posts)The police's rationale for the withholding of Hathaleen's body was that the family refused to sign a document with 10 conditions for his funeral, which include limiting the ceremony to a maximum of 15 attendants a number lower than that of his closest relatives and burying him outside his village.[8][15] Israeli authorities maintain that such conditions are necessary to preserve public order, while family friend Karin Wind commented that the purpose is to make it seem "like it never happened and nobody will come."[15]
At the same time, Judge Chavi Toker from the Jerusalem Magistrates Court (the first Haredi woman in Israel to serve as a magistrate)[17] rejected a request from the police to extend Levi's house arrest until August 9, on the grounds that testimonies from local activists against Levi actually "strengthened" his claims that he was not the shooter; the police appealed the decision.[18] As of 4 August 2025, Levi is at large in his settlement of Carmel, while some of Hathaleen's relatives remain imprisoned and his body has not been returned.[19]
This is what passes for justice in the West Bank.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Strength to those others grieving, and those arrested!
What scum - Yivon Levi!
An excavator! JFC.
A easential water pipe in the desert, and precious olive trees.
And the IDF who let this guy "walk" and picked who got arrested.
I've followed a bit over the years these West Bank "settlers" running roughshod over Palestinian villages & villagers, houses, olive trees that are rightly theirs.
And usually let alone by Israeli army, or police.
*Feh!!
*A Yiddishism expression of disgust, /or contempt. For those who wouldn't know.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I picked up a bit.
vanessa_ca
(947 posts)vanessa_ca
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Bettie
(19,702 posts)it will never get through to the "Israel is always right, no matter what" crowd, but more people are seeing the reality of what is being done every day.
barbtries
(31,307 posts)to make a point.
i feel physically ill.
moniss
(9,056 posts)for Netanyahu pushing to take entire control is also so that they can "clean up" the appearance, remove bodies/body parts etc. before they will allow in any international media to see things for themselves. It has been a practice from even long ago when one group like the Stern Gang, Irgun etc. would attack a village in the '40's and word would spread about horrible things but nobody would be allowed in until others came along to "observe" so to speak. Then a few days later the "official" investigation would come through and sure enough instead of a lot of casualties there were but a few counted.
This is an old maneuver of military forces from all over the globe. Atrocity? What atrocity? Where is your proof? That sums up the phony defense against accusations. In the West Bank they do it a little differently. The IDF stands off a ways while the settlers burn, kill etc. and then belatedly come along and say "Well yes something happened but we are unable to identify who that might have been. But we'll keep investigating." Sure thing. If it only happened on a rare occasion a person could believe it was rogue elements in the IDF. But it is so frequent that it is inescapable to conclude it is pattern and practice. Along with holding off for hours any medical aid coming in that could save the lives of the wounded.
People like this Feiglin moron have great influence on the right despite some people in Israel who try to downplay the influence of extreme radicals on the right leaning movements. There it is in the open with his call for genocide. So if you are a Palestinian living in Israel how can you possibly feel that you will be treated by such a government?
I have also objected to the media and governments around the world using the word "settler" to describe those who make incursions into the already occupied areas of the world, including the behavior of the US, and overtaking control and ownership by force and demand. Settler sounds benign as though you are doing something good when in fact they are illegal squatters and terrorist thugs.
vanessa_ca
(947 posts)AloeVera
(4,263 posts)It's macabre, but people have to realize this is being done. In our name.
The "clean-up" of tens of thousands of corpses. The ultimate insult and indignity. What becomes of them? Horror.
The bulldozing of everything so that no independent investigators will ever have the ability to disprove any of Israel's lies. About the tunnels under every home, under hospitals, schools etc.
electric_blue68
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it could be an exaggeration of the amount.
I don't believe everything is a lie from them, but I hold a lot skepticism at times. And outrage at other times.
And certain support for them as well, since certain Arabic factions do want Israel destroyed. As far as I know it's still a fact, even though they have made peace with some Arab countries.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)The main thing is to exercise critical thinking - and scepticism - so you're not easily swayed by propaganda and inane rationalizations.
I am more jaded when it comes to Israel than most here. I now start off with the assumption Israel lies when it comes to this war and need to be convinced otherwise. That's not necessarily a good thing either, I know that, but I have my reasons. I've been a watcher and reader on I/P for many years and sympathize more with Palestinians as a result. Surprisingly, I'm now in the mainstream among Democrats - who also sympathize more with Palestinians now. I am so happy about that! I hope that will lead to some measure of justice for them, but as I read today, Israel is now expanding settlements drastically, and they will cut the West Bank in half. So Western governments better get their act together quick or there won't be a Palestine left for them to recognize!
We know there are/were tunnels. They were established for smuggling, after Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza (17 years long). Some even may have gone under or near hospitals, schools, apartment buildings. But Israel never provided clear and indisputable proof that these tunnels led to "command and control" centres under hospitals nor in fact that there were such centres under hospitals. Then it used these unproven claims of these tunnels and command centres to destroy the hospitals and all of Gaza in fact.
And now, it is destroying any and all evidence that might have proven their claims to be false. So that's what I meant.
As far as Arab nations wanting to destroy Israel, that's just not the reality anymore. Only Iran was even remotely a threat, and Israel just took care of that. There is no bigger power in the Middle East militarily, than Israel. You could say it is the hegemonic power in the Middle East. Look at it realistically - if anything, Arab/Muslim nations are the ones who are afraid - and should be! - about being destroyed or harmed by Israel. Look at Lebanon, Iran, Syria. Israel does whatever it wants, bombs whomever it wants, and is never held to account.
The whole "Arab nations want to destroy Israel" narrative is designed to make people feel bad for Israel - who doesn't want to protect the underdog and victim, right? - but it's an inversion of reality and a dangerous talking point. It allows Israel to continue its aggressions toward its neighbours (and the people it occupies too) while portraying itself as the victim.
That's how I see it...
Grins
(9,457 posts)Answer that question first.
speak easy
(12,598 posts)I bookmarked a video of an Israeli woman being asked if she cared about all the children being murdered. She said she didn't care at all because "they'll grow up to be Arabs".
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220538189#post15
msongs
(73,752 posts)Orrex
(67,108 posts)flashman13
(2,397 posts)for daring to say such a thing. I had posts taken down because I didn't support the consensus of the day that Israel could do no wrong in their "righteous" attacks on Gaza.
Don't turn away. Take a look. This is what mass murder looks like. Netanyahu is a mass murderer and international criminal. He is also Trump's best bud. Our Senate, including 19 Democrats, just voted to send more weapons to Israel. Remaining silent while arming Israel makes us complicit. Personally I am horrified.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)Don't look away.
Pisces
(6,234 posts)could sound like it came from Nazis???? These are people!! Even your enemies deserve more respect and humanity.
David__77
(24,727 posts)vanessa_ca
(947 posts)everyone knew exactly what the instructions were.
Now go, attack Amalek, and destroy all that belongs to him. Spare no one, but kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys! ... Go and destroy the sinful Amalekites; make war on them until you have exterminated them."
1 Samuel 15:3
vanessa_ca
(947 posts)in another year there will be nothing there