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vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 01:17 PM Aug 2025

"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas, every child in Gaza is the enemy"



Unforgivable war crimes. Crimes against humanity!

"As Hitler said, 'I cannot live if one Jew is left'. We can't live here if one 'Islamo-Nazi' remains in Gaza." - Moshe Feiglin

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-16/ty-article/former-israeli-mk-quotes-hitler-while-discussing-gaza-war/00000190-224f-d231-a1b2-e65f76fe0000

"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas, every child in Gaza is the enemy. We need to occupy Gaza and settle it, and not a single Gazan child will be left there. There is no other victory," -Moshe Feiglin

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/moshe-feiglin-every-baby-in-gaza-is-an-enemy-ex-israeli-lawmakers-shocking-remarks-8477020

Moshe Feiglin’s appalling call for the extermination of Gazan children is not just a window into a genocidal worldview—it shatters any claim to moral credibility he or his defenders might assert. This isn't politics. It's an open endorsement of war crimes and a chilling invocation of ethnic cleansing, reminiscent of humanity’s darkest eras. To label infants as enemies and dress up mass murder as “victory” is not an act of strength—it’s the deranged rhetoric of people utterly severed from basic human decency. If the international community had any resolve, Feiglin’s name would already stand alongside the architects of genocide. Instead, we witness a deafening silence from global leaders, as the children he vilifies continue to suffer and die. Let it be clear: this is not self-defense. This is a call to annihilate. And history will remember who stood against it, and who said nothing.

Anyone defending this isn't defending democracy or Israel, they’re defending fascism.


"Moshe Zalman Feiglin (Hebrew: מֹשֶׁה זַלְמָן פֶייגְּלִין; born 31 July 1962) is a right libertarian-leaning Israeli politician and activist, and the leader of libertarian Zionist party Zehut. As a member of Likud, he headed the Manhigut Yehudit (Jewish Leadership) faction within the party, and represented Likud in the Knesset between 2013 and 2015"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin
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"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas, every child in Gaza is the enemy" (Original Post) vanessa_ca Aug 2025 OP
I will never stop trying vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #1
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Aug 2025 #2
All the starving people and those murdered are necessary collateral damage for the cause. Ping Tung Aug 2025 #3
The good news is that support for Israel's horrific actions has plummeted to 8% among Democrats vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #4
Thanks. Even usually indifferent Americans are becoming aware of the horrors. Ping Tung Aug 2025 #5
And pushing back against Kahanist Netanyahu mouthpieces vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #6
As long as a majority of Republicans approve Trump will not intervene IMO. totodeinhere Aug 2025 #12
Schumer is failing miserably at his job "My job is to keep the left pro-Israel." vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #18
Interesting job description for an American senator. Crunchy Frog Aug 2025 #33
I was shocked when I read that -eom vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #35
Here is 10 yr old Amir kissing Anthony Aguilar's hand womanofthehills Aug 2025 #39
DURec leftstreet Aug 2025 #7
SHAME on You, Moshe Feiglin! electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #8
Yes, shame! But Moshe Feiglin's just saying out loud what many others think vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #15
Oh, i'm sure some Israelis feel that much hatred, too electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #20
I feel so dirty right now. "With this enemy, it's just like using a lice comb. Just kill them. Just exterminate them." vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #21
It is horribly ironic. Still, there Are Jews, and Palestinians genuinely working togther for peace.... electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #24
Yes! Thankfully so. vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #25
You should make that a post on its own. Eko Aug 2025 #27
I will one day soon. There is so much going on with this case that it would take forever vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #30
From the wiki page. Unbelievable. Body snatching too. AloeVera Aug 2025 #36
Strength to your brother's friend.... electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #32
Rec, rec, rec -eom vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #34
You know, electric_blue68. We're gonna get there. Yes, we will! -eom vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #31
Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #9
Thanks for this Bettie Aug 2025 #10
a Jew quoting hitler barbtries Aug 2025 #11
One of the biggest reasons moniss Aug 2025 #13
I wish I could rec this over and over again. -eom vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #14
What a great post. AloeVera Aug 2025 #28
Are you saying there were no tunnels? I don't believe that .. electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #41
You are right to not believe everything. There are many still who do. AloeVera Aug 2025 #43
"Every child in Gaza is the enemy." Why do you suppose that is, Moshe? Grins Aug 2025 #16
Here is the answer speak easy Aug 2025 #22
Arab is a diverse bunch. which type of Arab does she mean. ? xtian ones Muslim ones, atheist ones....Jewish ones? msongs Aug 2025 #23
And yet Netanyahu STILL has his apologists. Orrex Aug 2025 #17
Everyone on DU needs to watch this video. I warned of this in late 2023. I got my ass roundly kicked flashman13 Aug 2025 #19
THIS!!! AloeVera Aug 2025 #29
It's insane to become what you most revile. Why would you endorse anything that taken out of context Pisces Aug 2025 #26
Netanyahu sounded the call of extermination with his "Amalek" speech David__77 Aug 2025 #37
The minute he brought up Amalek and told Israelis to replicate the Torah reference vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #38
I'm sick to my soul. vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #40
kick, thanks for posting this video. nt cliffside Aug 2025 #42
Such horrific cruelty. still-prayin4rain Aug 2025 #44

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
3. All the starving people and those murdered are necessary collateral damage for the cause.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 02:19 PM
Aug 2025
There is NO cause that justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
4. The good news is that support for Israel's horrific actions has plummeted to 8% among Democrats
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 02:41 PM
Aug 2025

And that only 32% among both parties back these horrific crimes. "Disapproval of the military action has now reached 60%."

Nationwide, a Gallup poll released this week found that approval of Israel’s military actions in Gaza had plummeted to 8 percent among Democrats. By contrast, 71 percent of Republicans said they approved of the country’s military action in the enclave.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/31/us/politics/democrats-israel-gaza-netanyahu.html

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
5. Thanks. Even usually indifferent Americans are becoming aware of the horrors.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 02:58 PM
Aug 2025

Last edited Tue Aug 5, 2025, 03:31 PM - Edit history (1)

Even some Israelis are starting to speak out. And more nations are beginning to demand recognition of a Palestinian state.











totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
12. As long as a majority of Republicans approve Trump will not intervene IMO.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 03:26 PM
Aug 2025

Plus Israel is still supported by many congressional Democrats including Shumer and Gillibrand.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
18. Schumer is failing miserably at his job "My job is to keep the left pro-Israel."
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 04:01 PM
Aug 2025
“My job is to keep the left pro-Israel,” Schumer told Stephens, who was too polite to note that Schumer is completely failing at that.

https://thebaffler.com/latest/schumers-warning-klion


I mostly agree with you. The war wing of the Republicans is a lost cause, but Trump is bleeding support from young Republicans over this. I took one for the time and watched a town hall Charlie Kirk held. He was pummeled by the younger audience for supporting this.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
39. Here is 10 yr old Amir kissing Anthony Aguilar's hand
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 12:19 AM
Aug 2025

A retired US soldier who worked as a mercenary at aid distribution sites in Gaza said he witnessed a five-year-old Palestinian boy being shot and killed by Israeli soldiers who fired on aid seekers, just moments after the boy had thanked him for the food.

Anthony Aguilar, who served in the US military for 25 years, said in an interview on Tuesday that sharing the horrific story, which took place at a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid site, “is emotional for me to get through” because of the “dehumanization” of Palestinians.


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vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
15. Yes, shame! But Moshe Feiglin's just saying out loud what many others think
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 03:33 PM
Aug 2025

I bookmarked a video of an Israeli woman being asked if she cared about all the children being murdered. She said she didn't care at all because "they'll grow up to be Arabs". There were other horrific, uncaring comments, but that one deeply pained my soul.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
21. I feel so dirty right now. "With this enemy, it's just like using a lice comb. Just kill them. Just exterminate them."
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 04:16 PM
Aug 2025

"With this enemy, it's just like using a lice comb. Just kill them. Just exterminate them."

Shimon Elkabetz is the current chairman of the Israel Film Council and a radio host. In the past, he was the commander of the IDF radio station, "GALATZ, director of state-owned public radio, and held other senior positions in mainstream Israeli media.

This is just tiny, yet representative, sample of channel i24 News, from last night's main news broadcast.




One day, historians will watch these videos the way we now watch old Nazi footage—where people spewed dehumanizing, genocidal hate about Jews—and they'll feel the same mix of horror, disbelief, and sorrow. They'll wonder how anyone could speak like this, so openly, and how the world let it happen. My soul weeps.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
24. It is horribly ironic. Still, there Are Jews, and Palestinians genuinely working togther for peace....
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 04:57 PM
Aug 2025

You just don't hear much about them.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
25. Yes! Thankfully so.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 05:21 PM
Aug 2025

This is a good friend of my brother's. Andrey is a Russian Jew, journalist, who fled and obtained Israeli citizenship following the invasion of Ukraine. I know there are many working together. They changed everything and broke the propaganda.




vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
30. I will one day soon. There is so much going on with this case that it would take forever
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 06:36 PM
Aug 2025

and I can barely keep up with it.

I googled to find a video of the director of No Other Land getting involved and demanding Israel release Awdah's body and was incredulous to see Awdah already has a wiki page Killing of Awdah Hathaleen

An American nurse who had attempted to help Hathaleen after being fatally wounded by administering CPR was detained by Israeli authorities alongside an Italian citizen for 24 hours after the shooting. After being ordered to report to another police outpost, she was deported to Jordan. The nurse also claimed that while several village residents sat on the station's floor blindfolded and with their hands zip-tied, Levi was freely walking around and sharing cigarettes with the police officers.


(when they mention that 4 people were arrested, Andrey was one of them. You can see that at 7:30).


Since Thursday, more than 60 women have been on hunger strike in Umm al Khair to demand the return of the body of Awdah Hathaleen.

On Thursday, July 31st, more than 60 women in the Palestinian village of Umm al Khair, in the Southern West Bank initiated a hunger strike to demand the return of the body of community leader Awdah Hathaleen who was killed by an Israeli settler on Monday in broad daylight in the center of his village. They are also demanding the release of all the residents who had been arrested.

Two of the women have already been taken to receive medical treatment as a result of the hunger strike, but they will not stop until demands are met.

Awdah Hathaleen was shot and killed in cold blood on Monday, July 28th by Israeli settler Yinon Levi, who has been sanctioned by multiple foreign governments including the previous US administration. The incident took place during a violent and armed settler attack, in the midst of an invasion into the village, and as settlers were razing village land with heavy machinery. The shooting of Awdah Hathaleen was documented on video and is widely available.

Awdah’s injured body was taken by an ambulance to Soroka hospital in Beer Sheva where he was pronounced dead. From there, the police transferred his body for an autopsy at Abu Kabir National Institute of Forensic Medicine in Jaffa. The autopsy was completed on Wednesday afternoon which should have meant the body would be returned to the family for burial rites and to begin the traditional mourning process. However, the police have refused to return the body to the family. They informed the family’s representative that the body will only be returned if the family agrees to unreasonably restrictive conditions on the funeral and burial.

The police demanded that the family hold a quick and quiet burial at night--no more than 15 people, outside of the boundaries of the village, and no traditional mourning tent for this community leader and beacon. The family refused saying, "Awdah is not a thief and we will not bury him in the dark".

The family and community are in a state of suspended grief, unable to mourn their loss according to their tradition.

“We must continue in this hunger strike, until with God’s help they will release the body. It’s the least we can do for Awdah. Awdah was loved by everyone; he helped everyone. Every small child in the village knows and loves him. There’s no one like Awdah, and there never will be anyone like Awdah. We demand for the whole world, for anyone who is able, for anyone who has a voice, to help us return Awdah’s body.’ - one of the hunger strikers

The hunger strikers will continue until their demands are met including the return of Hathaleen’s body, the release of those arrested from their community, and the arrest of Yinon Levi who is walking free today after a court released him from house arrest.

The women invite journalists to come to the village to talk to them about the strike, Awdah, and their demand to release his body.

Contact Community Press Coordinator, Oneg Ben David to coordinate interviews and visits, +972 54-635-3399, onegbd@gmail.com


AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
36. From the wiki page. Unbelievable. Body snatching too.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 08:10 PM
Aug 2025
The day following the murder, an Israeli court upheld Levi's claims that he was acting in "self-defense" and put him on house arrest for three days, after which he was released. Concurrently, Israeli police forces stormed what was set to be Hathaleen's funeral ceremony and snatched his body, as well as raiding family homes multiple times, conducting fourteen arbitrary arrests and beating residents, according to testimonies.[8][15][16]

The police's rationale for the withholding of Hathaleen's body was that the family refused to sign a document with 10 conditions for his funeral, which include limiting the ceremony to a maximum of 15 attendants – a number lower than that of his closest relatives – and burying him outside his village.[8][15] Israeli authorities maintain that such conditions are necessary to preserve public order, while family friend Karin Wind commented that the purpose is to make it seem "like it never happened and nobody will come."[15]

At the same time, Judge Chavi Toker from the Jerusalem Magistrates Court (the first Haredi woman in Israel to serve as a magistrate)[17] rejected a request from the police to extend Levi's house arrest until August 9, on the grounds that testimonies from local activists against Levi actually "strengthened" his claims that he was not the shooter; the police appealed the decision.[18] As of 4 August 2025, Levi is at large in his settlement of Carmel, while some of Hathaleen's relatives remain imprisoned and his body has not been returned.[19]


This is what passes for justice in the West Bank.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
32. Strength to your brother's friend....
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 07:03 PM
Aug 2025

Strength to those others grieving, and those arrested!

What scum - Yivon Levi!
An excavator! JFC.
A easential water pipe in the desert, and precious olive trees.

And the IDF who let this guy "walk" and picked who got arrested.

I've followed a bit over the years these West Bank "settlers" running roughshod over Palestinian villages & villagers, houses, olive trees that are rightly theirs.
And usually let alone by Israeli army, or police.
*Feh!!

*A Yiddishism expression of disgust, /or contempt. For those who wouldn't know.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I picked up a bit.

Response to vanessa_ca (Original post)

Bettie

(19,702 posts)
10. Thanks for this
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 03:17 PM
Aug 2025

it will never get through to the "Israel is always right, no matter what" crowd, but more people are seeing the reality of what is being done every day.

moniss

(9,056 posts)
13. One of the biggest reasons
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 03:29 PM
Aug 2025

for Netanyahu pushing to take entire control is also so that they can "clean up" the appearance, remove bodies/body parts etc. before they will allow in any international media to see things for themselves. It has been a practice from even long ago when one group like the Stern Gang, Irgun etc. would attack a village in the '40's and word would spread about horrible things but nobody would be allowed in until others came along to "observe" so to speak. Then a few days later the "official" investigation would come through and sure enough instead of a lot of casualties there were but a few counted.

This is an old maneuver of military forces from all over the globe. Atrocity? What atrocity? Where is your proof? That sums up the phony defense against accusations. In the West Bank they do it a little differently. The IDF stands off a ways while the settlers burn, kill etc. and then belatedly come along and say "Well yes something happened but we are unable to identify who that might have been. But we'll keep investigating." Sure thing. If it only happened on a rare occasion a person could believe it was rogue elements in the IDF. But it is so frequent that it is inescapable to conclude it is pattern and practice. Along with holding off for hours any medical aid coming in that could save the lives of the wounded.

People like this Feiglin moron have great influence on the right despite some people in Israel who try to downplay the influence of extreme radicals on the right leaning movements. There it is in the open with his call for genocide. So if you are a Palestinian living in Israel how can you possibly feel that you will be treated by such a government?

I have also objected to the media and governments around the world using the word "settler" to describe those who make incursions into the already occupied areas of the world, including the behavior of the US, and overtaking control and ownership by force and demand. Settler sounds benign as though you are doing something good when in fact they are illegal squatters and terrorist thugs.

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
28. What a great post.
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 06:33 PM
Aug 2025

It's macabre, but people have to realize this is being done. In our name.

The "clean-up" of tens of thousands of corpses. The ultimate insult and indignity. What becomes of them? Horror.

The bulldozing of everything so that no independent investigators will ever have the ability to disprove any of Israel's lies. About the tunnels under every home, under hospitals, schools etc.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
41. Are you saying there were no tunnels? I don't believe that ..
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 12:55 AM
Aug 2025

Last edited Wed Aug 6, 2025, 01:26 AM - Edit history (1)

it could be an exaggeration of the amount.

I don't believe everything is a lie from them, but I hold a lot skepticism at times. And outrage at other times.

And certain support for them as well, since certain Arabic factions do want Israel destroyed. As far as I know it's still a fact, even though they have made peace with some Arab countries.

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
43. You are right to not believe everything. There are many still who do.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 12:20 AM
Aug 2025

The main thing is to exercise critical thinking - and scepticism - so you're not easily swayed by propaganda and inane rationalizations.

I am more jaded when it comes to Israel than most here. I now start off with the assumption Israel lies when it comes to this war and need to be convinced otherwise. That's not necessarily a good thing either, I know that, but I have my reasons. I've been a watcher and reader on I/P for many years and sympathize more with Palestinians as a result. Surprisingly, I'm now in the mainstream among Democrats - who also sympathize more with Palestinians now. I am so happy about that! I hope that will lead to some measure of justice for them, but as I read today, Israel is now expanding settlements drastically, and they will cut the West Bank in half. So Western governments better get their act together quick or there won't be a Palestine left for them to recognize!

We know there are/were tunnels. They were established for smuggling, after Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza (17 years long). Some even may have gone under or near hospitals, schools, apartment buildings. But Israel never provided clear and indisputable proof that these tunnels led to "command and control" centres under hospitals nor in fact that there were such centres under hospitals. Then it used these unproven claims of these tunnels and command centres to destroy the hospitals and all of Gaza in fact.

And now, it is destroying any and all evidence that might have proven their claims to be false. So that's what I meant.

As far as Arab nations wanting to destroy Israel, that's just not the reality anymore. Only Iran was even remotely a threat, and Israel just took care of that. There is no bigger power in the Middle East militarily, than Israel. You could say it is the hegemonic power in the Middle East. Look at it realistically - if anything, Arab/Muslim nations are the ones who are afraid - and should be! - about being destroyed or harmed by Israel. Look at Lebanon, Iran, Syria. Israel does whatever it wants, bombs whomever it wants, and is never held to account.

The whole "Arab nations want to destroy Israel" narrative is designed to make people feel bad for Israel - who doesn't want to protect the underdog and victim, right? - but it's an inversion of reality and a dangerous talking point. It allows Israel to continue its aggressions toward its neighbours (and the people it occupies too) while portraying itself as the victim.

That's how I see it...

Grins

(9,457 posts)
16. "Every child in Gaza is the enemy." Why do you suppose that is, Moshe?
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 03:39 PM
Aug 2025

Answer that question first.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
22. Here is the answer
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 04:19 PM
Aug 2025

I bookmarked a video of an Israeli woman being asked if she cared about all the children being murdered. She said she didn't care at all because "they'll grow up to be Arabs".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220538189#post15

msongs

(73,752 posts)
23. Arab is a diverse bunch. which type of Arab does she mean. ? xtian ones Muslim ones, atheist ones....Jewish ones?
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 04:36 PM
Aug 2025

flashman13

(2,397 posts)
19. Everyone on DU needs to watch this video. I warned of this in late 2023. I got my ass roundly kicked
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 04:15 PM
Aug 2025

for daring to say such a thing. I had posts taken down because I didn't support the consensus of the day that Israel could do no wrong in their "righteous" attacks on Gaza.

Don't turn away. Take a look. This is what mass murder looks like. Netanyahu is a mass murderer and international criminal. He is also Trump's best bud. Our Senate, including 19 Democrats, just voted to send more weapons to Israel. Remaining silent while arming Israel makes us complicit. Personally I am horrified.

Pisces

(6,234 posts)
26. It's insane to become what you most revile. Why would you endorse anything that taken out of context
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 05:25 PM
Aug 2025

could sound like it came from Nazi’s???? These are people!! Even your enemies deserve more respect and humanity.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
38. The minute he brought up Amalek and told Israelis to replicate the Torah reference
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 12:05 AM
Aug 2025

everyone knew exactly what the instructions were.

Now go, attack Amalek, and destroy all that belongs to him. Spare no one, but kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys!” ... Go and destroy the sinful Amalekites; make war on them until you have exterminated them."

1 Samuel 15:3

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