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senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 03:08 PM Aug 2025

Eugene Robinson finally did what American "journalists" have been unwilling to do!

According to Mehdi Hasan on bluesky: "It took six months for a Trump official to be politely forced by a journalist to admit live on air what everyone- including every economist- knows to be true (but which Trump keeps lying about): tariffs are paid by the US by US importers."

Eugene Robinson has always been one of my favorite journalists. He's a very skilled interviewer, aggressive in his own way, and seems to be a very good person as well. He got Bessent to admit that tariffs are paid by Americans! (I think it was on Morning Joe this morning, but I have never watched that show).

Now the bad news: WHY DID IT TAKE SIX MONTHS FOR A JOURNALIST TO DO THIS?

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Eugene Robinson finally did what American "journalists" have been unwilling to do! (Original Post) senseandsensibility Aug 2025 OP
That was the last question snowybirdie Aug 2025 #1
Let a professional take over, right? senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #2
Taking notes ? Well, they are stenographers. nt eppur_se_muova Aug 2025 #25
But only for cheato senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #27
I first became familiar with him watching Hardball on MSNBC BaronChocula Aug 2025 #3
Exactly. senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #4
My sense and sensibility BaronChocula Aug 2025 #5
I tried! senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #10
I can't stand Chris Matthews, but... Trueblue Texan Aug 2025 #14
I can understand BaronChocula Aug 2025 #22
He interrupted his guests so consistently that I was never able to... Trueblue Texan Aug 2025 #35
WaPo lost a lot of expertise and decency when he left. Lonestarblue Aug 2025 #18
Yes, they lost Jonathan Capeheart too senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #23
Journalists have gone the way of the dodo. ... littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #6
Ain't that a truth. irisblue Aug 2025 #7
These parrots are really for the birds.. BattleRow Aug 2025 #16
True lonely bird Aug 2025 #33
Why? One of the reasons is that Bessent avoids the "Liberal" press. maxsolomon Aug 2025 #8
So he has never appeared in a "neutral" news show before today? senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #11
I have no idea what "neutral" news shows Bessent's been on, maxsolomon Aug 2025 #17
It was this morning FoxNewsSucks Aug 2025 #9
Video clip (from Bluesky) PunkinPi Aug 2025 #12
Thanks PunkinPi! senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #13
You're welcome, and thank you! PunkinPi Aug 2025 #30
"The importer ..." is still not clearly understandable to many people. live love laugh Aug 2025 #24
The importer pays the tariff and can chose to pass the cost off to the or not. Or not?!!!! Gimpyknee Aug 2025 #15
Can "Choose" To Pass Them On? ProfessorGAC Aug 2025 #21
I recently read that the average "pass-through" is around 60%. Sadly, don't have the reference. eppur_se_muova Aug 2025 #28
Everyone needs to keep in mind that we always have recessions under Republicans. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2025 #19
Sounds like a campaign slogan for the midterms! senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #20
No. A campaign slogan won't stop this. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2025 #31
What I meant by slogan is that Dems should be using this in ads senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #40
Yes, that would be a start. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2025 #43
So Bessent won't be on MSNBC again. progressoid Aug 2025 #26
Probably not. senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #29
Here's the video from Morning Joe. It's a long one, Gene Robinson joins at 12:46: Rhiannon12866 Aug 2025 #32
They still running with the Trump lie Historic NY Aug 2025 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Aug 2025 #36
Many of the best journalists have been pushed out of the MSM snot Aug 2025 #37
I don't know where you've been, but Robinson is only one of the many journalists writing for the Washington Post that Martin68 Aug 2025 #38
You're certainly entitled to your opinion senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #39
"Adequately challenging the administration directly." I have no idea what that means in the context of a journalist's Martin68 Aug 2025 #41
I always read his columns when I was reading our local paper. Made sense, what he'd say. mucholderthandirt Aug 2025 #42

snowybirdie

(6,687 posts)
1. That was the last question
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 03:35 PM
Aug 2025

asked in the 15 minute interview. Joe and Mika asked questions with no follow up or push back. The Secretary lied and spun his propaganda. Finally Robinson got in a few questions and the interview ended right after.

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
2. Let a professional take over, right?
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 03:37 PM
Aug 2025

He is the professional, and Joe and Mika and the entire WH press corps should be taking notes.

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
27. But only for cheato
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 07:06 PM
Aug 2025

it seems. Remember how they used to scream at Biden and find plenty of their own "spin" on his answers?

BaronChocula

(4,555 posts)
3. I first became familiar with him watching Hardball on MSNBC
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 03:54 PM
Aug 2025

It seems like Chris Matthews introduced some great journalists on his show.

I remember this moment from one of Robinson's appearances. It may have been in 2014 when WAPO editor Ben Bradlee passed. Robinson recalled being hired at the paper to cover City Hall. Bradlee warned "City Hall is a tough beat. Are you tough?"

Mild-mannered as he is, Robinson is tough.

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
4. Exactly.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 03:57 PM
Aug 2025

I've always really liked his combination of toughness and decency. That's so hard to achieve. I have to say that I aspired to it in my teaching career, and just the effort made me a better teacher.

Trueblue Texan

(4,464 posts)
14. I can't stand Chris Matthews, but...
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 05:14 PM
Aug 2025

I've always respected Eugene Robinson. He's a very well-mannered gentleman (unlike Chris Matthews) who seeks and speaks the truth.

BaronChocula

(4,555 posts)
22. I can understand
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 06:32 PM
Aug 2025

your feelings on Matthews. He was a bit of a polarizing character. Not for everyone. I did grow to like him.

Trueblue Texan

(4,464 posts)
35. He interrupted his guests so consistently that I was never able to...
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:20 AM
Aug 2025

...learn anything but his take on things. Not a very useful analysis.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
18. WaPo lost a lot of expertise and decency when he left.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 05:58 PM
Aug 2025

With Bezos’ blessing, Will Lewis (the Murdoch acolyte) is turning the Post into Fox lite. Most of their experienced reporters and opinion writers have left, though for some reason they keep letting the old troglodyte George Will keep writing his conservative nonsense.

littlemissmartypants

(33,588 posts)
6. Journalists have gone the way of the dodo. ...
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 04:05 PM
Aug 2025

Most of what we have now are glorified parrots. And their vocabularies are similar to the real parrots but they aren't as smart. 🦜

lonely bird

(2,941 posts)
33. True
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:37 AM
Aug 2025

Let’s also not forget that everyone is a “journalist” now due to the interwebs, apps and podcasts.

There are no journalists and everyone is a journalist.

maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
8. Why? One of the reasons is that Bessent avoids the "Liberal" press.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 04:16 PM
Aug 2025

Another is that he, like every member of this Kakistocracy, is a shameless liar who's been trained to duck direct questions.

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
11. So he has never appeared in a "neutral" news show before today?
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 04:55 PM
Aug 2025

I find that hard to believe. And of course he lies and ducks questions. A real journalist would be prepared for that. That's kind of the point.

maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
17. I have no idea what "neutral" news shows Bessent's been on,
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 05:45 PM
Aug 2025

Or if "real journalists" were or weren't prepared to follow up over and over to get a straight answer.

I've heard "neutral" NPR hosts try with Repuke pols, and eventually it becomes obvious they won't respond honestly no matter what, so eventually even a "real journalist" moves on.

The legitimate press is the enemy of Republican bullshit and is treated as such.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
9. It was this morning
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 04:26 PM
Aug 2025

I tuned out his lies and expected BS, and almost didn't notice when Joe turned him over to Eugene Robinson. It was great to see Robinson keep asking who writes the checks to the US Treasury and not let Bessent weasel out.

Moments like that are the reason I still turn the tv machine on in the morning for background noise. I wish there were more of them.

PunkinPi

(5,269 posts)
12. Video clip (from Bluesky)
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 05:06 PM
Aug 2025

"So the tariff is paid in this country by the importer, is that right?" -- Eugene Robinson guides Scott Bessent into acknowledging that tariffs are in fact paid in the United States, not by foreign governments

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-08-07T12:20:02.527Z

live love laugh

(16,383 posts)
24. "The importer ..." is still not clearly understandable to many people.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 06:39 PM
Aug 2025

The AMERICAN PEOPLE are the importers aren’t we? If so they should say that and stop obfuscating.

 

Gimpyknee

(1,025 posts)
15. The importer pays the tariff and can chose to pass the cost off to the or not. Or not?!!!!
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 05:31 PM
Aug 2025

Un effin believable.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
21. Can "Choose" To Pass Them On?
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 06:09 PM
Aug 2025

Obviously, Bessent doesn't understand how business works.
They are going to pass them on. To a business, that's the only choice.

eppur_se_muova

(41,942 posts)
28. I recently read that the average "pass-through" is around 60%. Sadly, don't have the reference.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 07:12 PM
Aug 2025

Obviously, if you're buying really cheap junk and selling it grossly inflated prices, tariffs won't hurt you much. As a perfect example, during his first term Turnip negotiated a "cutout" on imports from China for "printed religious materials". As a result the "Trump Bible" was printed for somewhere around $3-4, and even a 100% tariff wouldn't much hurt profits since these desecrations were marketed at $60, or even $75 from some distributors.

But if costs are a significant part of the sale price, prices will inevitably rise, causing sales to decrease, and importers will have to add yet more to the retail price to keep their net profits up. So tariffs are a double whammy on many low-priced commodities, such as produce (processed foods probably get hurt less).

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
19. Everyone needs to keep in mind that we always have recessions under Republicans.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 06:05 PM
Aug 2025

Always.

We're less than a year into this administration, and it's already begun. Today the fed vastly downgraded the number of job produced in recent months. And reduced by some 80%. That's a lot of jobs that didn't happen.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
31. No. A campaign slogan won't stop this.
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 11:23 PM
Aug 2025

Look back at earlier recessions under Republicans. This is no something trivial, or just an anecdote. We ALWAYS have a recession when Rs are in control. Always,.

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
40. What I meant by slogan is that Dems should be using this in ads
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 02:21 PM
Aug 2025

and talking about it constantly. The average independent or low information voter doesn't know this and the "press" is not going to point it out either. It's up to Dems to scream about this. It's a way of going on offense. Seems very effective to me because it's true and the R's have no defense.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
32. Here's the video from Morning Joe. It's a long one, Gene Robinson joins at 12:46:
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 06:13 AM
Aug 2025




After months of delays and extensions, Donald Trump’s comprehensive and sweeping tariffs slate took effect Thursday just after midnight ET, shifting his global trade reset into high gear. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent joins Morning Joe to discuss. - Aired on 08/07/2025.

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
34. They still running with the Trump lie
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:05 AM
Aug 2025

That billions are flowing in when it American business is paying for the Trump tariffs.

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

snot

(11,804 posts)
37. Many of the best journalists have been pushed out of the MSM
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 12:12 PM
Aug 2025

(e.g., Chris Hedges pushed out of the NYT for criticising our invasion of Iraq).

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
38. I don't know where you've been, but Robinson is only one of the many journalists writing for the Washington Post that
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 01:21 PM
Aug 2025

Last edited Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:12 PM - Edit history (1)

pointed out that tariffs are a tax on the American people, not on foreign exporters. Condemning journalists because they couldn't force a MAGAt official to admit that fact is absurd. It took six months to do this because everyone in the Trump administration is a liar. Robinson apparently hit a weak link in the chain of stonewalling.

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
39. You're certainly entitled to your opinion
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 02:13 PM
Aug 2025

but my opinion stands. Most corporate journalists, even the ones on "liberal" outlets sanewash and normalize these liars constantly. When they appear on MTP, the pushback to their lies is completely inadequate. The WH press corps is a joke. There are techniques they could be using and did use with Biden, such as uniting around one topic and not relenting until their question is answered, but they seemed to forget how to utilize them as soon as trump took office. I have a background in journalism, but you don't need that to see what's happening and I am hardly the first to notice it. And of course it has been reported by journalists from many outlets that tariffs are a tax on the American people, but that is completely different than adequately challenging the administration directly. Eugene Robinson did that, and I am willing to give him credit.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
41. "Adequately challenging the administration directly." I have no idea what that means in the context of a journalist's
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:21 PM
Aug 2025

profession. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you seem to have a rather unrealistic idea of the power of an individual journalist in the context of forcing a confession from WH officials. They have asked the right questions repeatedly, and some of them have paid the price by being excluded from the WH press briefings. Personally, I think our time is better spent criticizing and confronting the administration ourselves than criticizing journalists who are doing an excellent job of investigating and reporting the facts.

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