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womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 08:30 AM Aug 2025

Israel has created the largest child amputee population in the world.

Forget the subtitles
Just look what the Zionists did to him. TAP tweet to see video.

An Israeli drone went off in his room.


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Israel has created the largest child amputee population in the world. (Original Post) womanofthehills Aug 2025 OP
with Western complicity malaise Aug 2025 #1
Not enough. Other nations need to stop all trade and levy severe economic sanctions on Israel. Lonestarblue Aug 2025 #2
Agree 100% malaise Aug 2025 #3
Rec'd for the complicity part. Waking up? More like rats jumping off before indictments start rolling down vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #11
We did too in Viet Nam. rickyhall Aug 2025 #4
People are still being killed in Vietnam from this ordnance. David__77 Aug 2025 #6
And it was wrong then, too. Iggo Aug 2025 #14
Russia is working on it. MaineBlueBear Aug 2025 #5
I don't think the US has to worry about losing this #1 status to China David__77 Aug 2025 #7
And it'll be wrong then, too. Iggo Aug 2025 #15
Before the conflict Israel killed a record number of Palestinian children that included American citizens. Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #8
Agree -IDF KILLING children in 2019 womanofthehills Aug 2025 #22
It's genocide Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #35
Bombing people into submission mountain grammy Aug 2025 #9
I have a problem with this headline perdita9 Aug 2025 #10
Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #12
IDF soldiers using children as target practice says British dr who worked in Gaza hospital womanofthehills Aug 2025 #19
One day the young males are brought in with clean shots to their testicles vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #20
"One day the young males are brought in with clean shots to their testicles. Young woman with shots to the ovaries." Jedi Guy Aug 2025 #25
The source is many doctors on the ground. Many of whom have been interviewed on shows like Piers Morgan vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #30
"The source is many doctors on the ground." Jedi Guy Aug 2025 #41
I leave you to your untroubled beautiful mind vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #42
Little heavy on the sanctimony, don't you think? I noticed it got heavier with each edit. Jedi Guy Aug 2025 #44
This rando doctor was awarded the Humanitarian Award by King Charles III. AloeVera Aug 2025 #77
Sorry, I'm not convinced by an argument from authority fallacy. Jedi Guy Aug 2025 #99
Have it your way. People are still being killed by IDF fire while trying to get food. AloeVera Aug 2025 #107
"Sick to death of all the savage cruelty. I don't get people who make excuses for it." Jedi Guy Aug 2025 #108
Probably yes. AloeVera Aug 2025 #109
Wow, interesting post, Vanessa. sheshe2 Aug 2025 #48
Here is something else interesting, sheshe2. AloeVera Aug 2025 #74
Valiant effort, but you're debating someone writerJT Aug 2025 #50
More like Beastly Boy Aug 2025 #52
I wouldn't allow a genocide writerJT Aug 2025 #60
So illegitimate. A Humanitarian Medal Recipient. Awarded by King Charles. AloeVera Aug 2025 #76
That's an interesting characterization of the discussion. Jedi Guy Aug 2025 #100
Link, vanessa? sheshe2 Aug 2025 #46
Indefensible mcar Aug 2025 #68
Yes. sheshe2 Aug 2025 #72
I wonder why Briahna Joy Gray calls her podcast "Bad Faith" and Katie Halper calls hers "Useful Idiots". lapucelle Aug 2025 #88
It wouldn't be the first time. sheshe2 Aug 2025 #89
And what's up with Sagaar Enjeti? He thinks that Ghislaine Maxwell is a political prisoner and wants The Hague lapucelle Aug 2025 #91
Indefensible! electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #36
IDF kills 10 yr old child after he kisses ex green beret American womanofthehills Aug 2025 #21
As told by Hamas... Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #28
No - as told by former Green Beret, retired Colonel who served 25 years in US Special Forces Nanjeanne Aug 2025 #29
Hamas must be destroyed. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #32
Yes, and I hope you're not denying IDF war crimes. electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #37
Using innocent civilians as human shields is the war crime. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #39
Of course, that is a war crime! But IF you are saying there are No IDF/Netanyahu war crimes? Then, Shame on you. electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #40
Let me try this one out: Beastly Boy Aug 2025 #54
In reply electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #79
To defend Israel/Netanyahu, you must bend yourself into an ultra-pretzel shape thought crime Aug 2025 #97
Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #51
WRONG - Anthony Agulair was on "Breaking Points" with Kristal Ball and Saagar plus Tucker and addressed this womanofthehills Aug 2025 #55
Tucker Carlson? N/T lapucelle Aug 2025 #81
Was that the interview where Sagaar and Tucker agreed the Epstein/Maxwell were convicted of "victimless" crimes? lapucelle Aug 2025 #86
Wrong -Anthony Aguilar has been on manypodcasts telling his story womanofthehills Aug 2025 #34
Senate Democrats should invite Anthony Aguilar to testify. They should also subpoena GHF officials lapucelle Aug 2025 #83
tears. RIP, Amir. electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #38
Well , , , AverageOldGuy Aug 2025 #13
Equally culpable? Hardly. Orrex Aug 2025 #16
Whether Hamas is a PhylliPretzel Aug 2025 #24
No. Absolutely not EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #31
By that definition so is Israel. AloeVera Aug 2025 #45
No it is not. Beastly Boy Aug 2025 #49
A legitimate cause is no longer relevant when it morphs into genocide. AloeVera Aug 2025 #65
That's an apt description of Hamas's October 7 invasion of Israel and its concomitant rape-murder-torture spree. N/T lapucelle Aug 2025 #67
Oh for god's sake! mcar Aug 2025 #69
Israel is 100% responsible for everything Israel does. Iggo Aug 2025 #17
American drs who worked in Gaza hospitals womanofthehills Aug 2025 #18
Now Israel is claiming the 5 journalists killed in their press tent were hamas womanofthehills Aug 2025 #103
HAMAS AND ISRAEL have created the largest child amputee population in the world. Maru Kitteh Aug 2025 #23
OMG! ANNA of Young Turks is on Fire over Israel genocide womanofthehills Aug 2025 #43
Who? mcar Aug 2025 #70
IKR? sheshe2 Aug 2025 #73
My guess is some are aware of their anti-Democratic Party backgrounds mcar Aug 2025 #75
good point. sheshe2 Aug 2025 #80
Briahna Joy Gray and Tucker Carlson. lapucelle Aug 2025 #85
Yup. sheshe2 Aug 2025 #90
If you pay attention - it's the Independent journalists who don't take corporate funds who are yelling genocide womanofthehills Aug 2025 #84
Ummm sheshe2 Aug 2025 #87
I agree about Cenk and The Young Turks LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #92
That SOB was also a big Hillary-hater and Biden-hater. He can't be trusted. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #93
You are right. sheshe2 Aug 2025 #94
That reveals much. Why would anyone... Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #96
I have no clue, not a one... sheshe2 Aug 2025 #98
I have given this some additional thought, and I believe I have an answer * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #101
I thoroughly understand your reluctance to put your thoughts into words, sheshe2 Aug 2025 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Aug 2025 #95
Cenk Uygur, Briahna Joy Gray, Tucker Carlson X Sagaar Enjeti, Ana Casparian, Katie Halper lapucelle Aug 2025 #112
Red pill?! sheshe2 Aug 2025 #113
If you are into podcasts and independent media you would know Katie womanofthehills Aug 2025 #82
dehumanisation Kali999 Aug 2025 #26
Thank you! Here is the MSF report vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #33
the rest Kali999 Aug 2025 #27
Briahna Joy Gray who not only refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and Harris in 2024, but encouraged others lostincalifornia Aug 2025 #47
But do you dispute what she says? AloeVera Aug 2025 #53
... lapucelle Aug 2025 #56
Gray is an idiot mcar Aug 2025 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Aug 2025 #57
Without a doubt, and it sure isn't impressive that Sanders chose her to be part of his 2016 campaign. lostincalifornia Aug 2025 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Aug 2025 #59
Briahna Joy Gray makes people on the far left look moderate, that is how extreme she is. lostincalifornia Aug 2025 #63
We are talking about the journalists brave enough to speak out about genocide womanofthehills Aug 2025 #104
Hamas created them on purpose gulliver Aug 2025 #58
Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Aug 2025 #61
Anti-zionism is Anti-nationalism. Ping Tung Aug 2025 #66
Nope. Zionism is belief in statehood or a homeland for the Jewish people. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #111
The lack of compassion MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #64
I have an abundance of compassion for Palestinian children maimed or killed in this war. Mossfern Aug 2025 #78
Everything out of Netanyu 's mouth is a lie womanofthehills Aug 2025 #105
What has this got to do with what I posted? Mossfern Aug 2025 #106
You said mean things about Hamas. nt LexVegas Aug 2025 #110

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
2. Not enough. Other nations need to stop all trade and levy severe economic sanctions on Israel.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 09:12 AM
Aug 2025

Even those children who live through repeated bombings but are being starved will suffer all their lives. Starvation in early childhood is especially harmful, affecting both brain and physical developments and future health. Netanyahu is doing to Palestinian children—and adults—what Hitler did to Jews in concentration camps. Netanyahu doesn’t kill them with fas chambers, he simply drops US bombs on them. The goal is the same. I know this comparison is harsh, but I see little difference between Hitler’s treatment of Jews and Netanyahu’s treatment of Palestinians in Gaza.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
11. Rec'd for the complicity part. Waking up? More like rats jumping off before indictments start rolling down
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:19 AM
Aug 2025

It's more the optics and the looming indictments for supporting a genocide. I pray hard that complicit countries, organizations and people pay dearly for this and that karma be the best bitch she can. There must be justice. Will there be is another question altogether seeing how deep the complicity is.

Blue Full Moon

(3,484 posts)
8. Before the conflict Israel killed a record number of Palestinian children that included American citizens.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 09:40 AM
Aug 2025

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
22. Agree -IDF KILLING children in 2019
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:31 AM
Aug 2025

Oct 5, 2018 - click on link below not found

BREAKING: UN Council finds that #IDF intentionally killed many Palestinian children on purpose recently and that Israel directly shot journalists who were clearly marked as such. "There is no justification for shooting children and disabled people that pose no risk."


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mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
9. Bombing people into submission
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 09:42 AM
Aug 2025

All through history since planes and bombs were invented. Sickening.

perdita9

(1,352 posts)
10. I have a problem with this headline
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:07 AM
Aug 2025

By all means hold Netanyahu and those who foolishly elected him accountable for the war crimes Israel has committed. However, Hamas is equally culpable for this mess by continuing to use the citizens of Gaza as bargaining chips and canon fodder.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
19. IDF soldiers using children as target practice says British dr who worked in Gaza hospital
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:49 AM
Aug 2025

"IDF soldiers using children as target practice."

I've never heard anything worse in my life. And I grew up in a blood-soaked war zone.


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vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
20. One day the young males are brought in with clean shots to their testicles
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:04 AM
Aug 2025

Last edited Fri Aug 8, 2025, 01:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Young woman with shots to the ovaries. The next day it's clean shots to the heart. Then the legs. Pregnant women to the belly. They're being used as target practice by morally depraved snipers.

I get so angry when US politicians repeat that grotesque lie about the IDF being the most moral army in the whole wide world. Not only is that a despicable lie, but it's an insult to our military were soldiers and officers are trained to not target civilians and made to memorize the Geneva Code.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
25. "One day the young males are brought in with clean shots to their testicles. Young woman with shots to the ovaries."
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 12:05 PM
Aug 2025

Source, please?

I'm highly skeptical about claims of "clean shots" to internal organs that aren't readily visible and are approximately the size of a grape, give or take. These "morally depraved snipers" aren't using scopes with X-ray vision. Even with a high-powered scope and a military rifle, a "clean shot" to a very small internal organ, from a distance, on a moving target is incredibly difficult.

It's an active war zone over there, with bullets flying all over the place. The more likely scenario is that the people in question were struck by stray bullets and those bullets happened to hit testicles, ovaries, etc. I don't believe evil Israeli snipers are just hiding out there salivating at the idea of blowing people's testicles and ovaries away for funsies.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
30. The source is many doctors on the ground. Many of whom have been interviewed on shows like Piers Morgan
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 02:06 PM
Aug 2025

I googled and found you this one, but there are many. It's horrendous and hard to believe. This is all part of Netanyahu's diktat to destroy Amalek and wipe all trace of Amalek off the land.

Fast forward to minute 3 if you want to go straight to the testicle part.



Dr. Nick Maynard, a surgeon who has just returned from volunteering in Gaza for the past month, describes a pattern reminiscent of “target practice” visible in the injuries medical staff are treating in Gaza. As evidence grows of deliberate massacres of Palestinians seeking aid at the U.S.- and Israeli-backed aid sites, Maynard says the pattern of injuries suggests that Israeli military forces and other security contractors staffing the sites are “playing some sort of game” in their targeting of civilians, shooting at the head one day, “the abdomen tomorrow, the testicles the day after that.” Because of Israel’s blockade on food and medicine outside of the sparse supplies available at these dangerous aid sites, Maynard continues, normally survivable injuries have become fatal. “Because they’re so malnourished, their tissues don’t heal. Their immune systems are suppressed. … They often end up breaking down, causing terrible infections inside the body, and frequently these patients die.”

Here is the transcript for the part you're questioning.

And even more disturbing from that, there is a very clear pattern that that the emergency doctors in the ER have recognized and indeed the surgeons like me have recognized that there is a cluster of injuries to particular body parts on particular days. So for example, one day there'll be most of them will be coming in with gunshot wounds to the head and neck. Another day there'll be gunshot wounds to the chest, another day to the abdomen. And even uh to the 12 days ago we had four young teenage boys, all of whom were admitted with gunshot wounds to the testicles.

And the clustering, the pattern we're seeing is very striking. Um, and it it would appear to us that there there's almost like target practice playing some sort of game that we're going to go for the head today, the abdomen tomorrow, the testicles the day after that. Truly, truly shocking.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
41. "The source is many doctors on the ground."
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 08:36 PM
Aug 2025

And you then provide what amounts to an anecdotal account from a single doctor.

You will, I hope, forgive me if I remain somewhat skeptical of unverified claims made by a single person.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
42. I leave you to your untroubled beautiful mind
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 08:42 PM
Aug 2025

For the forgiveness you requested, you'll need to find a bigger being than me. I'm not inclined to forgive deniers.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
44. Little heavy on the sanctimony, don't you think? I noticed it got heavier with each edit.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 09:40 PM
Aug 2025

Less flippantly, there have been many bullshit claims trotted out throughout this conflict. I'm not going to accept something as gospel truth just because some British guy with an MD said it's so. By that metric, any rando doctor can go on TV and claim whatever he or she wants. That just doesn't clear the bar for me, sorry not sorry.

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
77. This rando doctor was awarded the Humanitarian Award by King Charles III.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 06:38 PM
Aug 2025

For his work in Gaza.

Of course your bar is much higher. Too bad Morher Teresa is no longer with us. I dare say she would be there tending to the starving and dying and her testimony would be too "low bar" too.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
99. Sorry, I'm not convinced by an argument from authority fallacy.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 05:29 AM
Aug 2025

I'm sure he's a wonderful guy and everything but I'm not going to accept his words as the absolute truth because he's a doctor or because he won an award. He's still one person with one perspective and anything he says is just that: his perspective.

As I said above, it's an active war zone and it's a densely populated area. Rather than evil Zionist snipers using X-ray scopes and making trick shots on moving targets at a distance with uncanny accuracy on targets the size of grapes, the more logical explanation is that a lot of people are being injured in an active war zone and he's seeing a pattern that isn't necessarily there.

If you want to believe the evil Zionist sniper theory, go for it.

Given all the bullshit stories that have been trotted out throughout this conflict, though, this one doesn't pass muster for me. Sorry not sorry.

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
107. Have it your way. People are still being killed by IDF fire while trying to get food.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 12:28 PM
Aug 2025

It's a pattern, it's systematic, it's in aid of ethnic cleansing and it's contemptible. Beneath contempt actually.

That some loonies in the IDF filled with hate, Islamophobia and a twisted version of their religion make a sadistic game out of it does not surprise me. I've read the testimonies of the IDF whistleblower soldiers. Plenty of info out there. Or, you can keep burying your head in the sand.

Interesting article on the types of soldiers who commit crimes like the one below and the culture of the DF. There are too many in the IDF. Worse, there is a culture of immunity.

A new commander came to us. We went out with him on the first patrol at six in the morning. He stops. There's not a soul in the streets, just a little 4-year-old boy playing in the sand in his yard. The commander suddenly starts running, grabs the boy, and breaks his arm at the elbow and his leg here. Stepped on his stomach three times and left. We all stood there with our mouths open. Looking at him in shock ... I asked the commander: "What's your story?" He told me: These kids need to be killed from the day they are born. When a commander does that, it becomes legit."


https://archive.is/WuoAI

No, the doctor's testimony is not far-fetched. It's believable to me.

You might also want to ask why, against humanitarian principles, the IDF decided to place all 4 aid hubs inside active war zones.

Sick to death of all the savage cruelty. I don't get people who make excuses for it.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
108. "Sick to death of all the savage cruelty. I don't get people who make excuses for it."
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 12:35 PM
Aug 2025

I've nearly replied a couple times to your posts with my thoughts on the matter. I never bothered because we see the issue so very differently that I don't think you'd care for my perspective and there's not much likelihood of understanding or common ground.

Perhaps it's best that we leave it at that, yes?

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
109. Probably yes.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 03:47 PM
Aug 2025

If you are someone who still agrees with Netanyahu's past war actions or now his reasons for "total conquest" of Gaza, we would never see eye to eye or understand one another. Or even close, so in that case let's save ourselves the trouble.


sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
48. Wow, interesting post, Vanessa.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:47 PM
Aug 2025

I just posted you two links...
Along with a trigger warning, of the sexual mutilations that Hamas carried out on 10/7.

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
74. Here is something else interesting, sheshe2.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 06:03 PM
Aug 2025

Physicians for Human Rights Israel released a Clarification paper in late 2024 in which they acknowledged some of the witnesses, reports, claims used in their original Report in November 2023 was later found to be false, inaccurate or unreliable.

Here is the most interesting part, at least to me:

Since October 7, the Israeli government and other entities have been exploiting reports of sexual violence in a manipulative and cynical manner. These reports have been utilized as part of a campaign to dehumanize Palestinians and as a propaganda tool to justify Israel’s brutal military assault on the Gaza Strip. This assault has resulted, and continues to result, in the deaths and injuries of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, the forced displacement and starvation of most of the Gaza Strip’s population, and extensive destruction of civilian infrastructure, including health facilities. We are appalled by this cynical exploitation of the victims’ suffering, condemn it, and view it as a complete abandonment of any moral integrity.

We emphasize once again: Sexual violence and allegations of sexual violence must never be weaponized as tools of warfare or propaganda. As a human rights organization, we remain committed to standing alongside victims, raising awareness about any suspected harm or rights infringements, and doing so impartially, regardless of the origin of the violations. This is our duty, and we will persist in fulfilling it to the best of our ability.


Bolding mine.

https://www.phr.org.il/en/clarification/

writerJT

(467 posts)
50. Valiant effort, but you're debating someone
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 08:23 AM
Aug 2025

who uses this two-step method:

1. Give me a source
2. No, not that one!

Good luck with that.

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
76. So illegitimate. A Humanitarian Medal Recipient. Awarded by King Charles.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 06:31 PM
Aug 2025


Dr. Maynard was awarded the Humanitarian Medal by King Charles III in February 2025 for his work in Gaza.

He sounds very sketchy to me.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
100. That's an interesting characterization of the discussion.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 05:37 AM
Aug 2025

When I look closer, though, it looks more like this.

1. There are multiple sources to back this up!
2. Okay, let's see them.
3. Here's a single source that's anecdotal evidence.
4. Hey, that's one single source and it's anecdotal evidence, plus you're making an argument from authority rather than truly backing up your claim.
5. Sanctimonious snark.

Your interpretation is still interesting, though, I guess.

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
46. Link, vanessa?
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:39 PM
Aug 2025

I have a link here of the rape and mutilations by HAMAS on 10/7.

**Trigger Warning** It is sickening



‘Israeli female soldiers shot in crotch, vagina, breasts on October 7’

“Our team commander saw several female soldiers who were shot in the crotch – intimate parts/vagina – or shot in the breast. This seemed to be a systematic genital mutilation of a group of victims,” Mendes said.
In a filmed testimonial played at the event, a survivor said she watched a terrorist who had cut off a woman’s breasts and played with them – after he had raped her.

“Our unit has seen bodies that were beheaded or had limbs cut off, mutilated,” Mendes said. “One young woman came in with no legs: they had been cut off. We saw several severed heads, one with a large kitchen knife still embedded in the neck.”

“Charred remains arrived and had to be identified and prepared for burial. These bodies were burned beyond recognition, often without arms or legs; they did not resemble anything human,” Mendes said.

snip

Among bodies that were not burned, the heads were often badly disfigured. “Heads and faces were covered in blood. They were shot in the eyes, face, and skull,” she said. “It was often impossible for families to be shown faces, and it seems as if mutilation of these women’s faces was an objective in their murders.”


https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-776654

Their bodies tell their stories. They’re not alive to speak for themselves.
NBC News has reviewed evidence that suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-rape-israeli-women-oct-7-rcna128221

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
88. I wonder why Briahna Joy Gray calls her podcast "Bad Faith" and Katie Halper calls hers "Useful Idiots".
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 01:03 PM
Aug 2025

If folks didn't know better, they could almost say that Gray and Halper seem to be trolling their own audience.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
91. And what's up with Sagaar Enjeti? He thinks that Ghislaine Maxwell is a political prisoner and wants The Hague
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 01:35 PM
Aug 2025

to investigate. During an interview, Sagaar also agreed with Tucker Carlson's claims that Epstein and Maxwell's crimes are "victimless".

https://singjupost.com/saagar-enjetis-interview-on-the-tucker-carlson-show-transcript/

Nanjeanne

(6,589 posts)
29. No - as told by former Green Beret, retired Colonel who served 25 years in US Special Forces
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 02:05 PM
Aug 2025

Anthony Aguilar, a former Gaza Humanitarian Foundation contractor, describes what he saw on the ground in Gaza while trying to distribute aid to hungry Palestinians, including meeting a young 10-year-old boy, Amir, who thanked him and his colleague for the aid he was able to retrieve. Moments later, he says Amir was “gunned down” and killed. "We have no excuse as a nation...as a world to look at this and say we didn't know," he says.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-weekend-primetime/watch/whistleblower-10-year-old-palestinian-boy-gunned-down-after-receiving-food-aid-244262469741]

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
40. Of course, that is a war crime! But IF you are saying there are No IDF/Netanyahu war crimes? Then, Shame on you.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 07:21 PM
Aug 2025
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
54. Let me try this one out:
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:30 AM
Aug 2025

Netanyahu and his government are bad, terrible, immoral and incompetent. But... Hamas ( a long list of grievances follows, legitimate and perceived, along with detailed descriptions of their crimes from unreliable sources and my own indignant comments). And shame on you for saying there are no Hamas/PIJ war crimes!

I am really curious what you think of this.

Note what I did here: I am reluctantly acknowledging Netanyahu's government's bad faith, but not going past the obligatory generalities in describing their culpability. Then, before I go into specifics, I am putting an abrupt end to this matter, leaving it virtually unaddressed, and deflecting to Hamas, and from then on only addressing, in minutest detail, accompanied by my own subjective commentaries, Hamas' crimes, real and hypothetical, being the sole arbiter of what those crimes entail in legal terms.

I am sure you've seen this maneuver used on hundreds of occasions, with roles reversed. I have.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
79. In reply
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:23 PM
Aug 2025

Obviously one might have not kept complete track in those horrific first hours, and days after the henious Oct 7 kidnappings, and slaughter of of Israeli Jews, and maybe others (I don't remember).
.
I vehemently condemned Hamas from the get go!!! And kept on doing that here, and there. Possibly also stating at various points they needed to be gotten rid of.
.
So... Get. Your. Facts. Straight. as far as my reactions are concerned!
_____________________________
As for this...

"I am sure you've seen this maneuver used on hundreds of occasions, with roles reversed. I have."

I'm not even sure what you are talking about here - manuver wise. And I'm sure I haven't seen whatever you are talking about "used on hundreds of occasions.", either.

thought crime

(1,564 posts)
97. To defend Israel/Netanyahu, you must bend yourself into an ultra-pretzel shape
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 09:01 PM
Aug 2025

Hamas was effectively defeated some time ago. Hamas is not playing a part in the slaughter and starvation of Palestinians. The American taxpayers are not paying for Hamas' actions. We are handing billions to war criminals. This has gone far beyond any need to play mind games, but here are some rhetorical questions. What can we do to stop the continued slaughter in Palestine? What can the rest of the world do to stop the slaughter? What can Israel do to stop the slaughter?

Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #29)

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
55. WRONG - Anthony Agulair was on "Breaking Points" with Kristal Ball and Saagar plus Tucker and addressed this
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 10:04 AM
Aug 2025

He read his resignation text with time sent and text/letter he got back asking him to not leave and stay on.. GHF had NO letter or proof they ever terminated him.
Israeli lies so much - this week Netanyahu told us that Hamas booby trapped all the buildings totally demolishing Gaza and that Gaza has tons of food.

You say "with no corroboration of any of his claims". - BBC includes video taken by Anthony of a fellow GHF worker shouting something like I think I got that one while we see people running and hear bullets.



"A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

"I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".

https://bbc.com/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
86. Was that the interview where Sagaar and Tucker agreed the Epstein/Maxwell were convicted of "victimless" crimes?
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 12:36 PM
Aug 2025
Saagar Enjeti’s Interview on The Tucker Carlson Show (Transcript)

TUCKER CARLSON: I’ll speak for myself. I never thought that I would be offering an apology to Jeffrey Epstein. I think of all the times I’ve maligned that guy, all the times I’ve accused him of crimes of blackmailing people, of trafficking children to powerful figures around the world on behalf of Global Intel Services.

And then I learned yesterday from Attorney General Pam Bondi that’s totally untrue. Yes, the guy killed himself after 30 days, 36 days in prison for no reason. He was a billionaire, he had no clients, he’d done nothing wrong other than get naughty massages 20 years before. And the guy killed himself. Another pointless death.

And then his best friend, former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, doing 20 years in prison for no crime. There are no victims.

SAAGAR ENJETI: Yes, it’s a victimless crime. They’re obviously persecuted by the state. They’re political prisoners, really. The Hague should come in and do an investigation or we’re watching one of the most systematic government cover-ups of all time.

https://singjupost.com/saagar-enjetis-interview-on-the-tucker-carlson-show-transcript/

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
34. Wrong -Anthony Aguilar has been on manypodcasts telling his story
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 04:47 PM
Aug 2025

Anthony Aguilar, former Green Beret who contracted with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, gives a firsthand account of the IDF claiming that four aid trucks full of food never even existed


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A US colonel accuses Israel of war crimes...

He’s been on “Breaking Points”, Tucker and other podcasts.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
83. Senate Democrats should invite Anthony Aguilar to testify. They should also subpoena GHF officials
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 11:14 AM
Aug 2025

to explain exactly where they got the "evidence" that they released to counter Anthony Aguilar's claims. If GHF manufactured those screen caps of text messages, they need to be held to account.

They should then subpoena the 18 GHF employees who worked with retired Lt. Colonel Aguilar and question them about their sworn affidavits disputing Aguilar's claims and detailing the reasons why Mr. Aguilar was "fired". Lying under oath is a serious offense.

Retired Lt. Colonel Aguilar should also consider suing the GHF for slander. The GHF held a press conference and presented "evidence" that besmirched the retired Green Beret's good name. Hold GHF to account!


GHF's "evidence":
https://ghf.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Gaza-Contractor-Deck.pdf
https://ghf.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/7.30-Statements.pdf



AverageOldGuy

(3,835 posts)
13. Well , , ,
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:34 AM
Aug 2025

, , , when you have two sides with the same characteristics, it's the people just trying to get by who are caught in the middle.

Old African proverb: When the elephants fight, the grass is trampled.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
16. Equally culpable? Hardly.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:40 AM
Aug 2025

Hamas is a vile terrorist regime that must be wiped out to its last member. Meanwhile Netanyahu continues his years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder.

If you kill a civilian because you claim that a terrorist is using them as a shield or bargaining chip, then their death is on you, and to assert otherwise is to parrot Bibi’s propaganda.

PhylliPretzel

(218 posts)
24. Whether Hamas is a
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:49 AM
Aug 2025

terrorist or a liberation organization depends upon where one sits.

I imagine George III of England thought our Revolutionary heroes were 'terrorists."

EdmondDantes_

(1,797 posts)
31. No. Absolutely not
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 02:10 PM
Aug 2025

Hamas launched an attack that intentionally targeted large groups of civilians and killed 800+ of them.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
49. No it is not.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 08:18 AM
Aug 2025

It takes a lot of denial to imagine that Israel didn't act in self-defense after an unprovoked attack across international border which broke a cease fire and EXCLUSIVELY targeted civilian population, an attack that created a casus belli, a legitimate cause for commencing a war written into international law.

Yet, the whitewashing of Hamas continues.

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
65. A legitimate cause is no longer relevant when it morphs into genocide.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 12:27 PM
Aug 2025

Especially when it was done by design, using the legitimate cause as a pretext.

Nearly 400 IDF soldiers and security personnel were killed on Oct. 7th - part of the 1139 killed. Your statement about exclusively targeting civilians is false.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
67. That's an apt description of Hamas's October 7 invasion of Israel and its concomitant rape-murder-torture spree. N/T
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 02:49 PM
Aug 2025

mcar

(46,056 posts)
69. Oh for god's sake!
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 03:59 PM
Aug 2025

Hamas is a terrorist organization, period, whose entire goal is the destruction of the Israeli state and all Jews around the world. Anyone who says otherwise is, to be kind, not paying attention.

Iggo

(49,927 posts)
17. Israel is 100% responsible for everything Israel does.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:41 AM
Aug 2025

There is no shared responsibility.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
18. American drs who worked in Gaza hospitals
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:44 AM
Aug 2025

Have said IDF is continuing to shoot little kids under 10 - like a game - one day in their skull, next day chests and next day genitalia.

Now American drs say they are getting patient after patient shot in food distribution lines.


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womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
103. Now Israel is claiming the 5 journalists killed in their press tent were hamas
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:26 AM
Aug 2025

Beloved journalist Anas Al-Sharif was killed because “he was a secret terrorist at night”

Here is his daughter Sham


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Maru Kitteh

(31,759 posts)
23. HAMAS AND ISRAEL have created the largest child amputee population in the world.
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:35 AM
Aug 2025

Fixed that shit for you.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
43. OMG! ANNA of Young Turks is on Fire over Israel genocide
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 09:20 PM
Aug 2025

MUST LISTEN
Ana Kasparian of The Young Turks with a fiery, unfiltered message on Israel & US foreign policy.


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You gotta love Katie Halper
“Israel consistently lies & Israel defenders consistently lie bc they don’t have the facts or the moral argument. Shabbos Kestenbaum lies through his teeth [about the proportion of children killed in Gaza.] We have an active genocide going on…


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sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
73. IKR?
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 05:00 PM
Aug 2025

And some of the sources and quotes mentioned in the thread. Hm, Bri Bri Joy Gray, Tucker, and The Young Turks= Cenk Uygur? Is anyone aware of their backgrounds?

mcar

(46,056 posts)
75. My guess is some are aware of their anti-Democratic Party backgrounds
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 06:16 PM
Aug 2025

which is the whole purpose of the activity.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
84. If you pay attention - it's the Independent journalists who don't take corporate funds who are yelling genocide
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 11:24 AM
Aug 2025

It’s the independent journalists because they can! Funded by their viewers, not corporations Independent American Jewish podcasters are some of the best at this. Dave Smith is pretty much a celebrity over on X - he’s an Independent Jewish podcaster/comic with an amazing knowledge of history - he’s debating all the pro Israel journalists and winning every debate.

I listed to Cenk in his Air America days and then later disliked him BUT he and Anna are relentless in their covering of genocide. I am with Cenk & Anna on this crisis- I would love to wake up one day and not see 10 new images of dead and headless or burnt babies. So many moms holding infants under a year on their lap - infants with no legs before they ever learned to walk.

If you truly want to know what Republicans think - checking out a podcast if they have a good guest can be super informative. I’m enjoying watching many Republicans go against Trump when it comes to Israel. When Tucker was fired from Fox - he definitely became more of an independent and he’s very anti-war - he hates Netanyahu unlike our current psychopathic president. Now MTG and Candice Owen’s are very pro Palestine- I’m enjoying them breaking with Trump on Gaza. Sad- but now being pro Palestine is getting them all huge death threats.






sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
87. Ummm
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 12:48 PM
Aug 2025
Cenk Uygur, The Young Turks, and The Denial of The Armenian Genocide

Cenk Uygur, host of the online show The Young Turks, has a dark history of both denying the genocide of the Armenian people, and subsequently naming his show after its Turkish perpetrators.

https://hyetert.org/2016/04/02/cenk-uygur-the-young-turks-and-the-denial-of-the-armenian-genocide/
Ana is mentioned as well... she seems so nice.

IMHO, I don't think they are the best source of information on genocide.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
93. That SOB was also a big Hillary-hater and Biden-hater. He can't be trusted.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 06:38 PM
Aug 2025

Isn't he funded by Republican interests? This would certainly make sense because all he does is to create division and resentment as he continually denigrates and disparages the Democratic party and our candidates. His negativity does absolutely nothing to encourage support for the Democratic party. And, anything that harms the Democrats and the Democratic party is (by default) a benefit to the GOP. Fuck him!

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
94. You are right.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 06:54 PM
Aug 2025

Him along with Tucker and Bri Bri, they all hate Democrats. Bri herself urged people to vote third party.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
96. That reveals much. Why would anyone...
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 08:43 PM
Aug 2025

...choose to elevate and trust these anti Dem shits?

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
101. I have given this some additional thought, and I believe I have an answer *
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 05:57 AM
Aug 2025

* to the question that I posited earlier. It's really the only answer that makes logical sense. However, as I look around and see things being as they are (and for other obvious reasons) it's probably best for now that I keep my thoughts to myself. I feel, however, that other intelligent, observant and like-minded folks will understand where I'm coming from without needing further elaboration, and it's likely that they will also share my concerns and frustrations.

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
102. I thoroughly understand your reluctance to put your thoughts into words,
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:10 AM
Aug 2025

and there is no need to elaborate.

Response to Oopsie Daisy (Reply #93)

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
112. Cenk Uygur, Briahna Joy Gray, Tucker Carlson X Sagaar Enjeti, Ana Casparian, Katie Halper
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 11:20 AM
Aug 2025

and more recently Megatron and Red Pill USA ...

Quite the lineup.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
82. If you are into podcasts and independent media you would know Katie
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 10:48 AM
Aug 2025

“Katherine Rose Halper (born July 11, 1980/1981) is an American comedian, writer, filmmaker, podcaster, and political commentator. She is the host of the podcast The Katie Halper Show and co-host of the podcast Useful Idiots with Aaron Maté.” (Gabor Mate’s son)

She interviews interesting people and is very anti war. She’s another podcaster who just interviewed Anthony Aguilar, Chris Smalls and Greg Stoker.

Most traditional broadcasters are not going after Israel for its genocide as American Jewish podcasters are.

Kali999

(289 posts)
26. dehumanisation
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 01:35 PM
Aug 2025

ecins Sans Frontières calls for immediate closure of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation
The medical NGO Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has called for the immediate closure of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), the US- and Israeli-backed aid organisation operating in Gaza, describing GHF-run food distribution sites in Gaza as having become sites of “orchestrated killing and dehumanisation”.

In a social media post on Thursday, MSF wrote:

“In MSF’s nearly 54 years of operations, rarely have we seen such levels of systematic violence against unarmed civilians.”

The GHF-run food distributions in Gaza, Palestine, have become sites of “orchestrated killing and dehumanisation”, not humanitarian aid.

In a new report, MSF analysed medical data, patients’ testimonies and first-hand medical witnesses at two MSF clinics in Gaza and found that it “point[ed] to both targeted and indiscriminate violence by Israeli forces and private American contractors against starved Palestinians” at food distribution sites run by the GHF.

Palestinians seek aid supplies from the US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), in the central Gaza Strip, on Monday.

vanessa_ca

(947 posts)
33. Thank you! Here is the MSF report
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 02:31 PM
Aug 2025

I made a post about that last night MSF's frontline medical testimony on systematic mass casualties from GHF sites in Gaza

There's a link to download the full horrific report.

“Children shot in the chest while reaching for food. People crushed or
suffocated in stampedes. Entire crowds gunned down at distribution
points. In MSF’s 54 years of operations, rarely have we seen such levels
of systematised violence against an unarmed civilian population, while
masquerading as ‘aid’. The GHF distribution sites have morphed into
a cruelty lab.”

MSF general director Raquel Ayora

Kali999

(289 posts)
27. the rest
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 01:36 PM
Aug 2025

According to the report, between 7 June and 24 July 2025, 1,380 casualties, including 28 dead, were received at MSF’s al-Mawasi and al-Attar clinics in southern Gaza, located near the GHF-run distribution sites. It added:

During those seven weeks, our teams treated 71 children for gunshot wounds, 25 of whom were under the age of 15. Faced with no alternatives to find food, starved families frequently send teenage boys into this lethal environment, as they are often the only males in the household physically able to make the journey.

Patients have also included a 12-year-old boy hit by a bullet that had passed all the way through his abdomen, and five young girls, one of whom was only 8 years old and suffered a gunshot wound to her chest.

“Children shot in the chest while reaching for food. People crushed or suffocated in stampedes. Entire crowds gunned down at distribution points,” said Raquel Ayora, MSF general director.

In MSF’s nearly 54 years of operations, rarely have we seen such levels of systematic violence against unarmed civilians.

The GHF distribution sites masquerading as ‘aid’ have morphed into a laboratory of cruelty. This must stop now.

MSF said it called for the “immediate dismantling of the GHF scheme; the restoration of the UN-coordinated aid delivery mechanism; and calls on governments, especially the United States, as well as private donors to suspend all financial and political support for the GHF”.

lostincalifornia

(5,362 posts)
47. Briahna Joy Gray who not only refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and Harris in 2024, but encouraged others
Fri Aug 8, 2025, 11:41 PM
Aug 2025

to do likewise.

She must be very proud to have contributed to trump being in the WH both times

AloeVera

(4,263 posts)
53. But do you dispute what she says?
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 08:35 AM
Aug 2025

I know it's painful to think about these kids' wantonly inflicted and unnecessary suffering - does attacking the messenger make it a bit more bearable? I mean it doesn't erase the FACT of these kids' existence, so what is the purpose of shooting the messenger?

Response to lostincalifornia (Reply #47)

lostincalifornia

(5,362 posts)
62. Without a doubt, and it sure isn't impressive that Sanders chose her to be part of his 2016 campaign.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 11:21 AM
Aug 2025

Response to lostincalifornia (Reply #47)

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
104. We are talking about the journalists brave enough to speak out about genocide
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:50 AM
Aug 2025

It’s a mix - all sides are finally speaking out about genocide - independents, Dems and Republicans.. Lots of Republican podcasters throwing the psychopathic Trump under the bus when it comes to genocide.


gulliver

(13,985 posts)
58. Hamas created them on purpose
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 11:10 AM
Aug 2025

They did it knowingly and brazenly to provide a basis for propaganda, to pull at heart strings and cruelly laugh at us all.

Radical Islamism wants to take over the world and force it to live under a dictatorship of ultra-conservative male priests. That ain't happening. People are catching on to their dumb, rotten, anti-human game.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
111. Nope. Zionism is belief in statehood or a homeland for the Jewish people.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:03 PM
Aug 2025

Nationalism is the belief that your own country is better than all others. 

Anti-zionism is the belief that Israel should not exist.

Anti-nationalism is the belief that all countries are equal.

So, anti-nationalism is basically the opposite of anti-zionism.

Mossfern

(4,716 posts)
78. I have an abundance of compassion for Palestinian children maimed or killed in this war.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 07:04 PM
Aug 2025

It's unfortunate that Hamas doesn't release the hostages, alive and dead,
lay down their arms and surrender in order to end the war.

As long as the mission of Hamas is to eradicate Israel and Jews worldwide, children will be at risk.

ETA: I know this seems cold, but it is the hard truth. Hamas trained children to be 'martyrs." If I'm wrong about that
please let me know. In the meantime I'll search for objective sources. I am NOT saying that Hamas trained all
Palestinian children.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
105. Everything out of Netanyu 's mouth is a lie
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:02 AM
Aug 2025

Now we are being told the journalists killed in their press tent yesterday were all Hamas. Journalists by day and sneaking around to be terrorists at night.

“After murdering Anas al-Sharif and 4 other Al Jazeera journalists in a strike on their tent, Israel claimed Gaza’s most prominent journalist of the past 22 months was moonlighting as a Hamas fighter. Analyst @muhammadshehad2 shows exactly how much to value Israeli claims.”


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Mossfern

(4,716 posts)
106. What has this got to do with what I posted?
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:39 AM
Aug 2025

Yes, Netanyahu lies - almost as often as Trump.

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