There are two things you can count on to happen every single day in 2025.

[MIButterfly]

1. The president of the United States will say or tweet something stupid.

2. There will be a mass shooting.

I am so sick and tired of both of them.

[TnDem]

1. I agree on number one

Number two...No

[MIButterfly]

2. Wikipedia says there have been 268 mass shootings so far this year as of July 31.

That averages out to at least one a day. A mass shooting is considered four or more people.

I submit that even one is one too many. And it does seem that it happens every day.

[TnDem]

4. Yeah, I looked at the map

And many of them were in states that have oppressive gun regulation. How can shootings happen where guns are illegal?

[Blues Heron]

5. They get the guns from humper friendly states using straw purchases

[TnDem]

6. Then why don't the "humper" states have the problem

In other words, if I live in rural Indiana and guns are commonplace with virtually no crime involving guns, then why does Chicago right across the state line have all of the shootings and Indiana doesn't?

[Blues Heron]

7. Drugs, poverty the usual. It's why those cities had strong gun control. Then the SC shot a lot of those down

Check out the Heller decision

[TnDem]

8. Not Chicago

and Illinois in general....Extremely un-gun friendly and rural Indiana the opposite. That sounds like a "drugs, poverty and the usual" problem and not guns.

In fact, until my party learns to shut up about guns, they will continually struggle with rural Democratic voters who understand the issue and the actual things involved with firearms.

Ask me anything.

[Blues Heron]

9. How many of those guns are from Tennessee I wonder

We need a strict national gun policy to get a handle on the daily death toll. Just like other countries that don’t have our little gun problem

[TnDem]

10. The bigger question is

Why doesn't rural Tennessee have nightly gang shootings that account for the majority of the tallied "mass shooting" total?

If, (as you say), Tennessee has the guns, then why doesn't Tennessee have the problem? The only places in Tennessee that have daily gun violence are Memphis, Nashville and Chattanooga mainly.

Every neighbor I have has a safe full of guns, yet we don't have any issues with "mass shootings"?

[Blues Heron]

16. Tennessee had the 6th highest gun death rate in the country in 2023

It’s not some shining example of a safe gunners paradise.

Check out this report from Johns Hopkins

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutions/gun-violence-data/state-gun-violence-data/tennessee

[TnDem]

19. Yep, and did you read the bottom statistic on the...

Johns Hopkins report that you provided....Y'know, the ones that start with "42X" and "13X".

You don't think maybe skews the results for the entire state?

Like I said, Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga...it's good that Johns Hopkins agrees.

[Blues Heron]

22. All those places would be better off with strong gun control

The whole country would be better off with it.

Rural gun violence may be lower, but it still exists and if it happens to you or a loved it’s 100 percent bad. You just have to look how other countries do it - they don’t consider city people to be separate from rural like we do here.

We have a massive divide where the rural’s seem completely indifferent to the pain of people in cities in their own states! And when they try to deal with it they get told no by the Supreme Court.

[TnDem]

23. Ask yourself why

Why is it that vast swaths of this state, (or picky any state), have MASSIVE death in the cities and it points to the very demographic that the Johns Hopkins link concludes?

I have lived here 40 years and I can only think of one other gun death that involved more than one person, and that was 20 years ago. It just doesn't happen.

[Blues Heron]

24. It really is the guns. The toll would be a lot lower without them, but we can't have that for some reason

[TnDem]

25. Correct, and I won't

Because I like the second amendment, my Democratic neighbors like the second amendment and we also like to win elections.

Every time guns are hammered, we lose thousands of votes in vast areas of the country.

[paleotn]

17. Please see statistics, probabilities, etc. They're your friend.

They cut through the anecdotal biases and a host of fallacies. Here's one for you...it seems the more people you have in one area, the more gun deaths. How'd that happen? But if I normalize the data so it's actually comparable, gee! I'm safer in downtown Manhattan than BF Egypt Alabama. Really, it's a very complex issue you're oversimplifying with your "neighbors with gun safes choke full of gunzzzz!"

An interesting article that might shed some light. Death rates per 100K. Probabilities of being killed by firearms. The impact of cultural differences. Socio-economics. Interesting stuff.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413

And this. I wonder what's wrong in Mississippi. Not a hot bed of high density metro areas. Yet.....

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/sr_25-03-05_gun-deaths_4/

[TnDem]

20. Really...Without googling, tell me what you know.

[mikeysnot]

27. Cite your source please.

[TnDem]

28. Source for what?

You weren't in the thread.

[mikeysnot]

29. That's what I figured

Moving on…

[TnDem]

30. Don't even know what you are referring to?

[North Coast Lawyer]

37. funny thing

Illinois and Tennessee have almost identical murder rates (TN's is a tad higher than IL's). Memphis's murder rate is higher than Chicago's.

[Gordcanuck]

38. The gun buyers then export

their surplus to Canada. Our problem here is guns not fentanyl. 🇨🇦
One solution? Check out Australia for a recent but successful mitigation.

[wordstroken]

12. Population density vs sparse rural populations?

🤔

🦋 wordstroken

[Scrivener7]

31. NYC has a very low per capita gun death rate. Lower than most rural areas.

Rural Mississippi has the country's highest per capita gun death rate.

[wordstroken]

34. Interesting. Thanks, Scrivener7.

🦋 wordstroken

[North Coast Lawyer]

35. Actually

Red states like Tennessee have the highest murder rates. Indeed Tennessee's murder rate is more than twice that of New York State.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

[North Coast Lawyer]

36. Guns aren't illegal in NY and CA

Guns are ubiquitous coast to coast because red states have flooded the market. In other countries like Canada guns (and particularly handguns) are far harder to get ahold of. In America black market weapons are a dime a dozen. In Canada black market weapons are prohibitively expensive pricing out most petty criminals who aren't noted for their ability to save up for major purchases.

[Scrivener7]

39. Gosh. Seems like strong gun laws DO work. Who knew?

(Well, you and I did, but apparently others didn't.)

[Blues Heron]

3. On average, yes

[betsuni]

11. The evening news is today's deadly mass shooting and/or more info about previous deadly shootings;

manhunt for shooter or prison escapees; today's airplane falling out of the sky or nearly colliding (sometimes deadly) and/or more info about previous airplanes falling out of the sky or nearly colliding; wildfires, floods, tornadoes, storms, hurricanes, deadly heat; The Trump Show; heartwarming story featuring a small child or animal.

ABC really really loves the word "deadly."

[Timeflyer]

13. Yes, the "normal" our kids have grown up with. Active shooter alerts, school lockdowns,

but somehow guns are not the problem?!?

[Gimpyknee]

15. Orrex will ask Is he dead yet?

[3catwoman3]

18. And, unfortunately, the answer will be, "No."

[malaise]

21. Ahem...drumroll...Three

Donvict will also lie

[Initech]

26. Something is incredibly broken in this country right now. It needs to be fixed.

[BigmanPigman]

32. The only "shooting" I care about is the one that hits "IT".

And not only hits "IT" but also destroys "IT". Not "him" but "IT" since he is not a human being. He is the devil incarnate.

You know what I mean. I look forward to finally waking up to a brand new day on DU where any poster asks, "Is he dead yet" and the answer is "deader than a door nail".

I want to wake up and read he is was blown into smithereens by anybody. Putin, a crazy MAGGOT, Melania, .....I don't care who does it or why, I just want him to be permanently destroyed.

Of course, energy can't be destroyed, Einstein, and can only change forms but I am very OK with that outcome.

[rickyhall]

33. And the New York Time making excuses for him.