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Where is the forceful, outraged, principled response to this sharp fall into a totalitarian state?
New Breed Leader
(928 posts)We don't control the House nor the Senate
AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)New Breed Leader
(928 posts)Remember the news media doesn't want you to know what Democrats are doing...Dems are saying and doing things, you just have to take the time to look
AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)What have our leaders done TODAY in the face of the essential seizure of DC? Im not asking about past town halls or future town halls or fundraising or anything resembling politics as usual.
Again, I may have missed it, but what have they done TODAY?
Hekate
(100,133 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Blaming the average Joe because the elected officials aren't doing anything.
What would you have him do? It's not the average Joe's job to figure out what to do. It's the job of the elected politicians.
Posts of this type in my opinion are mere distractions. There really isn't anything that the average person can or should be expected to do until a game plan is laid out by the people in charge of the Democratic party. Once we have that game plan, THEN we can do something. But we need leadership first.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Is that too much to ask?
If he and you are weighed down and debilitated by age, as many here are, the least that can be asked is that you locate relevant news sources in states and congressional districts around the country so that you KNOW what is happening.
I turn 78 next month myself.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Many of us here feel the Dems are not doing enough. Are we to remain silent because it "looks better"?
It shouldn't be up to Americans to "locate relevant news sources in states and congressional districts around the country". It should be on every air wave possible. The average American voter should be INUNDATED (yes!!! I used caps!!!) with the Democratic rebuttal on EVERY Trump disaster. They shouldn't have to look for it; it should be so available that they see it. You know, like Fox News usually is on all of the televisions in rich people's offices, etc.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Then don't.
mcar
(46,055 posts)not bash them while ignoring the party in power.
choie
(6,905 posts)It would be nice if the Dems, for whom we voted, gave a damn about fascism having come to the United States. Or are they still scared to use the F word?
mcar
(46,055 posts)I'll wait.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)How Democrats relentlessly ratcheted up violent rhetoric against Trump before assassination attempt comparing him to Hitler
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/dems-dialed-up-violent-rhetoric-against-trump-with-hitler-comparisons/
Opinion: Harris finally calls Trump a fascist. But don't take her word for it. Take his.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/10/30/harris-trump-fascist-definition-policies/75826790007/
Harris and Democrats Lose Their Reluctance to Call Trump a Fascist Since Gen. Mark Milley was quoted as saying Donald Trump is fascist to the core, a term avoided by top members of the Democratic Party is suddenly everywhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/us/politics/harris-trump-fascism.html
Members of both parties sound the fascism alarm on Donald Trump
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/fascism-donald-trump-19857938.php
How Trumps rhetoric compares to historic fascist language
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-trumps-rhetoric-compares-to-historic-fascist-language
How many do you need to be convinced?
betsuni
(29,076 posts)betsuni
(29,076 posts)by those who've been told billionaires and oligarchs fund both sides and assume both must have the same unlimited funds. Democrats could buy MSM too. No wonder they scream about Democratic fundraising!
Sigh. Yet another silly fantasy.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)If Democrats set up a media outlet that was all lies very few would listen to it.
betsuni
(29,076 posts)It doesn't make sense.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)Here to undermine.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Type the name of your state and Democratic Party in a Google search box, and click on a .org link. It's usually first in the results.
You can also try typing the [name of your state]dems.org in the address bar. That doesn't work for every state, but it does for many.
Another good thing to try is checking in on your local Democratic club's twitter feed every so often. That's how I learned about Maryland Congressman Jamie Raskin's People's Town Hall in ruby-red Suffolk County, NY.
You can also go to democrats.org and click on the "take action" tab to see if there's anything going on near you or if there is any national action that you can help with.
https://democrats.org/texas-redistricting/
You can also go directly to fightthetrumptakeover.com to see if there are any No Kings protests going on near year on any given weekend.

NB
I don't know whether or not a TV is on or what it might be playing in "rich people's offices", but something tells me that CNBC or Bloomberg News might be more likely than Fox. Those folks are usually more interested in the market and its reactions than they are in political theater.
I have occasionally seen Fox News on in diners or while waiting to have my tires rotated. However, most of the time, what I see is sports.
At any rate, Republicans bought themselves two corrupt "cable news" networks. I think it's highly unlikely that Democrats will do the same.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)I can Google. I dont need instructions.
The point IS that no one should HAVE to google. The Democratic response should be so strong, so public, so available that everyone can see it.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)That is generally the way it works. We all need to be proactive and take whatever steps we can to support and elect Democrats.
The Democratic response is strong, and it is public. However, I don't think "strong and public" is synonymous with "covered by a media more interested in access and revenue than news".
We have no control of media outlets and personalities that are more interested in "access", "narratives" and "storylines" than they are in reporting the news. That abrogation of duty is on them, not us, as long as we are all doing something.
That's why so many of us make phone calls and knock on doors for every election, big and small.
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The feckless White House press corps.

hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Isn't our party well funded? Can we not counter the Republican hold on the media in some way?
And yes, there are many of US who make phone calls and knock on doors. I almost think some here think that they are the only ones doing that. But unfortunately, in the world we live in today, that doesn't seem to be enough. Cruz and Cornyn (my senators) could care less how many times I call or write, and in Texas, knocking on doors can literally get you shot, so I'm careful about that.
My bottom line is that Trump wins. Every single time. It is not up to me or you or anyone on DU to devise a strategy to counter that. It is up to the elected officials who we put in office to represent us. I'm sorry if their job is hard right now, but they still need to be doing that job. If they can't come up with a strategy, then they need to hire someone, figure it out, whatever it takes, or else we won't live in a democracy any longer.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)I tell the story that they don't see on TV to the voters I talk to. I can't tell you how many people have told me over the years, "No one ever bothered to come and talk to me before."
Do not underestimate the power of doing the grunt work or the leg work. With all the disappointments and shortfalls of 2024, we flipped my congressional district blue.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)thucythucy
(9,103 posts)"No one should have to Google..."
That's a big part of the problem right there.
You're asking for others to take action, drastic, perhaps dangerous action, while saying you yourself shouldn't have to type a few words into your keyboard to get basic information. Or that the general public shouldn't have to, which seems to me to signal a surrender into the alleged passivity you're decrying in others.
As far as the response "should be so strong, so public, so available..." you may not have noticed but most pass media in this country is owned by the oligarchs, who aren't exactly going out of their way to spread our message. Back when I was in journalism school there was a saying--"It's a free press, if you own one." Democrats own precious little of media in this country. In fact, most of the major outlets are genuinely hostile to us.
And please don't start in on social media. Between Elon Musk, the Tech Bros, and Russian bot farms any messages we post get swamped by right wing BS. Hence the need for people to actually lift at least one or two fingers to be righteously informed.
If you've got any ideas on how to overcome these hurdles, please, I'm sure we'd all love to hear them. What can the leadership, what can any of us do in the near future that will be "so strong, so public, so available" so as to shock the great inert mass of the American people out of their lethargy?
mcar
(46,055 posts)creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)Especially when they are false.
The lie that Democrats weren't trying hurt turnout in 2024. Its one of the reasons we are where we are. If you have a real suggestion I'd love to see it. Democrats don't control the media and can't "bombard."
LudwigPastorius
(14,723 posts)Ronald Reagan's FCC abolished the Fairness Doctrine, which mandated that media outlets present diverse viewpoints on important issues, in 1987.
So, Democratic Senator X wants to rebut Trump's DC takeover. Her communications director calls ABC and asks for 2 minutes on its nightly newscast.
What do you think ABC's response is going to be?
GiqueCee
(4,249 posts)... and I'm still working full-time because Republican filth have gutted all the programs intended to help hardworking Americans in their sunset years, and want to rob us of money WE paid into programs like Social Security and Medicaid. There are things I'd like to do, but I don't wanna die in prison, so I'll forego those pleasures. Unless, of course, they start the civil war they so fervently desire; then all such restraints will be cast aside.
I'm open to suggestions.
Bread and Circuses
(2,045 posts)Yes
the fact that the Dem Leadership continues to be ineffective
Is a concern. 👉🏽 Note. This is not Dem Bashing. I support Dems and continue to vote and organize,
calimary
(90,017 posts)Lots of ways to contribute and I take advantage of as many of em as I can.
We need as many of us as possible, doing as much as possible. According to ones needs, motivations, pet causes, and available time.
Ive found Indivisible groups to be less focused on who gets to speak next and/or how much money raised or needed, and more into going out and DOING stuff. For example, every time Ive been out knocking on doors has been because one of my Indivisible pals organized it.
We probably need both kinds of groups, though. Cuz this effort needs to be nationwide, all the time, at the very least.
And hey, I realize not everybody has the time or skill set or motivation to spend on activism. We all give what we can. I just can only hope we do.
Amaryllis
(11,291 posts)Indivisible groups . Senator Merkley actually said to join an Indivisible group if you want to know what you can do.
calimary
(90,017 posts)Both Dems, Im happy to say.
I cant help but suspect that a non-Dem wouldnt be as interested in what Id want them to be, because non-Dems tend to have different agendas.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)How effective can they be when Congress and the courts are in Fascist hands and a big part of the population is brainwashed? If you want more effective join in the attacks against Republicans instead of Democrats.
oldmanlynn
(821 posts)We think that just our congressman, Senators representatives are the only one supposed to be doing all the work and the screaming and that should be enough. When people say why the Democratic Party doing anything look in the mirror we are the Democratic Party its not just the elected people.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)because he's demanding something that can't be done. You are making the same irresponsible demands. Leadership? Vague nonsense. They are doing all the can.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Irresponsible demands? That made me laugh.
Because I want the Democrats to DO something to stop Trump? That makes me irresponsible? Do you not see that these are unprecedented times? That Trump has no intention of having any more elections, etc. unless he is stopped? That unless Democrats basically come up with some type of strategy to stop him, that all is lost?
We do not have the luxury at this time in our history of worrying about "vague nonsense". Someone within the Democratic party needs to do something. It's not up to me, or you, or anyone else on DU to figure out what that is. It is up to the people in elected positions who have more power than you or I have. They need to fucking get creative if you get my drift. They need to do that because we have nothing left to lose, and because nothing else is going to stop the takeover of this country.
So you take my words of "get creative" and you figure out for yourself what that means. All I know is that Republicans don't play by the rules, and it's damn time that Democrats learn to fight Republicans. Because if they are incapable of doing that, we might as well, start learning how to bow and curtsy to the king himself. Would you be okay if that happens?
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)What are you suggesting? Maybe you should suggest whatever it is to the Democrats you think should "get creative."
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)I don't hold an elected office. I wasn't elected to serve the people. It's up to the elected officials to devise a plan.
If the roles were reversed, do you think the Republicans wouldn't be trying something? So, why can't the Democrats come up with a strategy? Are they not as smart as the Republicans? Are they not as bold? They need to put all of their minds together and come up with something. Perhaps something that has never, ever been tried before. I don't know. It's not my place.
Why is that expectation so foreign?
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)what you post. So far you can't.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)How I am supposed to back that up? Please enlighten me.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)How about we say arrest Trump and throw him in prison? Since he controls law enforcement its not possible. Saying people ought to do what they can't do irresponsible. And you are taking part in a movement that will hurt us.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)When you cut off the Hydras head it grows back, back into the shallow, dumb and easily manipulated JD Vance. Every Dept is corrupt, AND IN POWER and that power doesn't end with the elimination of trump. Moneys allotted by Congress are being diverted to their pet projects, ICE and Immigrant Prisons to name two. No more FEMA, states are on their own. No more NOAA, no more early warnings and no help.
They just removed the age cap to those applying to ICE, we will have a whole army made up of a younger version of Kyle Rittenhouse hunting prey.
Foreign money has a foothold in Washinton. He sold us out.
I only mentioned a few. So which one do you wish Congress to work on first?
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)When I take my car to the shop for repair, I tell the mechanic "hey, it's making a squeaking noise". But it is the mechanic's job to find and fix the problem because I am engaging him to do that. I don't tell him, you need to replace the starter or you need to replace the alternator. I let him tell me what needs to be fixed. That's his or her job. Because that is not my area of expertise. In this case, it's a monetary thing. I have sought out the mechanic, agreed to pay him of her for their service, and he or she is agreeing to provide that service for the amount of money we have agreed upon.
Follow me so far? Okay...
In the case of elected officials, it is them having sought an office and being voted into that office. That's the nature of their relationship with me and/or their constituents. They are paid a salary. Therefore, they have a job to do. It is THEIR job to figure this out. It is NOT my job. Just like with the mechanic, I do not have the expertise. Why should voters be telling the politicians what to do? We tell them what the problems are, what our needs and our wants are, etc., but it has always been left up to the politicians to frame the responses and the actions. Why has that changed? Why am I (and others) now being asked to come up with the solution? That is not my job. I am not paid to do that.
This has NOTHING to do with constituents making phone calls or going to protests or knocking on doors. There are numerous responses to my posts on this thread which insinuate that I, of course, are doing none of those things. Well, I think MOST people are doing those things right now. But it's not enough.
Democrats need to craft a response. Easy? No, it's not easy. But it is up to THEM and THEY are our only chance at keeping Trump from becoming king. So, I want something from them. I want them to put their heads together and I want them to think outside of the box (because that's what Republicans do), I want them to push the envelope if necessary, and I want them to DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND SAVE MY COUNTRY BECAUSE MY COUNTRY IS DYING RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.
If you have a problem with that, then so be it. I'm tired of being berated all day on this thread and I'm not responding any more. So, you reply if you want but I'm not going to read it. I can guarantee you one thing: I am a lifelong Democrat in the State of Texas and I am very well versed in being the minority anywhere. So if my beliefs are in the minority on DU, then so be it. They are not likely to ever change.
Have a great evening.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)In other words, you have no ideas, no thoughts other than "someone else should tell me what to do."
Which right there is at the heart of why authoritarians are so often successful.
And the roles have never been reversed. That is, Democrats have never come close to attempting to undermine our modern democracy as Trump and his enablers are doing now. We are living through an unprecedented threat to our democracy. Is it any wonder people are struggling with how to make more meaningful responses?
Perhaps the closest analogy was when we won the 2020 election, and Trump incited a mob of violent thugs to attack the Capitol, smear its walls with shit, assault police and attempt to murder our elected leaders.
Surely you aren't suggesting we take that sort of action, or are you?
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)"They need to fucking get creative if you get my drift. They need to do that because we have nothing left to lose, and because nothing else is going to stop the takeover of this country...
So you take my words of "get creative" and you figure out for yourself what that means. All I know is that Republicans don't play by the rules, and it's damn time that Democrats learn to fight Republicans."
You were the one who brought up your "drift."
So we have nothing left to lose, nothing else is going to stop the takeover, and Democrats should learn to fight Republicans who don't play by the rules. It sounds like you have an idea of how Democrats should "get creative," what do you mean? Otherwise, why say "if you get my drift"?
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Have yourself a very nice evening.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)Its not totally hopeless. There is tons of resistance on the Internet and demonstrations all the time. The party is working like Hell to get our message out. But "something" isn't anything. Its just a filler for where you have no answer. The next big one is the midterms. Try helping with that effort instead of spreading lies that will decrease turnout.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)And I do not appreciate your insinuation that I'm a liar. You don't know what I do as far as helping with the efforts. I think you need to apologize for that.
I've been very blatant about the fact that I don't have an answer because it's not my job to have that answer. It's the elected officials' jobs. What part of that is unclear?
Now, since I doubt I'll get an apology for your insult, I will simply say "have a great evening".
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)You are saying the leaders aren't doing anything when they are. I don't know what else you do but you are spreading harm to the effort here on Democratic Underground. Its your job to back up the claims you make on the Internet. You aren't doing it. Not at all.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Have a nice evening. I'll not engage with ridiculous posters.
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)krawhitham
(5,072 posts)AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)and very active on social media. I go to protests as I can.
I am not an elected leader.
Our elected leaders need to lead us. Do you not
get what happened TODAY????
creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)Its a democracy. Our leaders don't control everything. We need everybody to pitch in.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)If they are not Democrats, why are they here on a website that supports Democrats?
Gee, I wonder...
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Because we, for the most part, are not Democrats holding elected office.
You, presumably a regular person, have about as much power as Democrats holding elected office at this point.
If you or anyone else think there is some magic wand that can be waved to make this all better, feel free to (1) tell us and (2) tell your Democrats holding elected office.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Please list the resources that you imagine me to have at my disposal as compared with a Democrat currently in office. Be detailed and specific, perhaps starting with the campaign contributions that you suppose I've received. For example, in your fantasy, could I contact CNN for some air time to issue a strong condemnation? Would major newspapers be eager to return my calls?
I also haven't sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, so despite your gaslighting efforts, elected Dems have an obligation that the constituency does not.
I guess history will look kindly on those in office, since they were just so powerless to do anything.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)...you think that's the cure to this? If that was the cure, we wouldn't even need the fucking cure to begin with because people would have heeded the warnings and not allowed Trump and his MAGA Republicans back into office.
And our Democrats -- the few that the people have elected -- are upholding the Constitution. It's the REPUBLICANS that the people actually voted for that are fucking ripping our Constitution to shreds.
And history will be too busy dissecting how ignorant our electorate was that it allowed this to happen, despite all the dire warnings and attempts by our elected Democrats to stop this trainwreck from occurring.
I don't want to hear A DAMN THING from ANYONE that spent the past decade undercutting the Democrats that were trying to stop this all from happening.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Please post a link to the Democrats' official response to this latest of Trump's innumerable outrages.
Not some soundbyte gleaned from a local public radio blurb by a single Democrat in their home district. Show me the confident, unequivocal, resounding condemnation by the party as a united group.
LOL at the scolds who rail against a perceived dearth of party loyalty among the constituents, rather than demanding more from the party that they elected.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Shitting on good Democrats like Hillary, Biden, Kamala, etc. and deluding stupid fucks that don't know any better into thinking there is no difference between them and FUCKING TRUMP, all the while heralding the least-accomplished congressman of the last ~three decades as our savior.
Good DEMOCRATS aren't the reason why we are in this mess -- THOSE FUCKS are the reason why are in this mess.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Perhaps you might prevail upon some of these Good DEMOCRATS to get in front of a mic and speak with a unified voice of opposition, rather than expecting the electorate to track down and read 20 or 30 conflicting BlueSky posts in hope of deriving some kind of hope for tomorrow?
Or, if you'd prefer, you could continue scolding DUers who aren't satisfied with a de facto silent opposition party.
Cha
(319,067 posts)seen this Bad Reel before... When America got Fucking Traitor the Firs time.
Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)Democrats in office, should be kamikazianing this shit, and should be saying trump should be in JAIL. He is a russian spy. Fucking say what is happening, but they wont, they dont, and never will.
Which is why i have been going nuts for 10 years now, and im about to leave this shithole country. Im glad democrats in office are still doing well.
Cha
(319,067 posts)TY
Orrex
(67,111 posts)But the Democratic constituency is called out for not doing more.
awesomerwb1
(5,102 posts)like the Dems is.
I doubt the poster got sent thousands of $ for his campaign and had hundreds of volunteers knocking doors and making calls for him/her.
So maybe you should ask Dem politicians, to quote you, What have YOU done TODAY? You are a Dem -- right?
oldmanlynn
(821 posts)Newsflash we are the Dems in the Democratic Party. We are the ones that are supposed to be doing things. We are the ones that are supposed to be raised in our voices. We cant just sit back and watch TV and get outraged at our elected officials.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Democrats need to force themselves on the airwaves. They need to be calling the networks asking for time - whatever it takes. Buy the airtime if absolutely necessary. But get a message out there.
Magoo48
(6,721 posts)Dems might begin gathering in force, consistently, and with an unequivocal message denouncing this entire fascist regime by name while announcing how they plan to organize the masses, who are obviously against MAGA Fascism, into a cohesive resistance force powerful enough to defeat this tyrannical incursion.
From what Ive seen, except for a few extremely brave Democrats and one exceptionally strong independent, Dems are shooting spit wads at a battleship.
Since we are all revealing our age, I am a 76 year old environmentalist and left of progressive freedom enthusiast.
As a well-known talking head eloquently put it, This aint no party, this aint no disco, this aint no fooling around.
You dont bring your gloves and a copy of Marcus of Queensberry rulebook to a street fight. The idea is to get out alive and free.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)Search real hard
Cha
(319,067 posts)see it doesn't make it so.
JustAnotherGen
(38,053 posts)I'm not understanding why people think electeds in the House and the Senate are just sitting around and scratching their junk.
Cha
(319,067 posts)guaranteed..
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)So Dems need to do better.
ImNotGod
(1,194 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)I find it incredulous that people on this board are suggesting that ordinary Americans are to blame for not searching out what the Democrats may or may not be doing about something Trump is getting away with.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)Phone calls and money, protests etc do we have to do to get the leaders we do all that for to speak up and do their jobs?
Most of us on this board are older now and wishing the young would try as hard as we have been since our teens protesting Vietnam. We have been at this for 50 years, most of us are tired, trying to figure out how to afford the bills with our retirement money and concerned with health issues.
None of my kids or grandkids are like me, they vote that's it.
Cha
(319,067 posts)on DU ae seeing it.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)That would be most helpful.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Orrex
(67,111 posts)Failing that, I'd accept the same condemnation repeated again and again by dozens of Democrats.
You know, something that creates the impression, however tenuous, of some kind of order in the face of dialed-to-11 nonstop chaos?
But I guess it's better to scold DUers for their frustration rather than expecting mere elected officials to uphold their oaths.
mcar
(46,055 posts)watching cable news and viewing other media sources all the time, are unaware of what our Democrats are doing?
And isn't it funny that they rarely criticize Republicans? It's odd, don't you think?
Cha
(319,067 posts)to have anyone Dragging on Dems on a Democratic Board.. The GOPS are taking care of that.
I see our Dems all the time Fighting Back Against the Traitor's takeover of Our Country... and I see Plenty on this Thead Standing up For Dems.. Not Dragging.
Mahalo, for Helping Support Dems, mcar!
mcar
(46,055 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)In Congress the Democratic minority party status gets ignored or shaded or doubted or damned by most corporate media no matter what it does. You know this. Don't act like you don't.
At state levels there has been much Democratic resistance as shown by continued protests and federal court filings. At the federal level, congressional Democrats have held filibuster speeches and
actually walked out of one Senate Judiciary meeting's unethical proceeding.
Brief Abridged Review of Democrats and Democrat adjacent organizations who've resisted without proportional media coverage:
Blue state governors --
CA's Gavin Newsom,
IL Gov. JB Pritzker,
CO Gov. Jared Polis,
KY Gov Andy Bashear,
MA Gov. Maura Healey,
NY Gov Kathy Hochul ,
have been Trump proof-ing their states for months, and beefing up teams of lawyers
State Attorneys General --
CA AG Rob Bonta,
IL AG Kwame Raoul,
CO AG Phil Weiser,
MN AG Keith Ellison,
NJ AG Matthew Platkin,
NY AG Letitia James,
OR AG Dan Rayfield,
WA AG Nick Brown ,
leveraged their large staffs to jointly file against the lawlessness of the felon and his cabinet
Organizations affiliated with the Democratic Party --
American Civil Liberties Union,
Democracy Forward,
EarthJustice,
Indivisibles, who are of, by and for Democrats;
Marc Elias Group, biggest, winningest law firm representing democracy and Democratic Party interests,
National Womens Law Center Action Fund,
Planned Parenthood Action Fund and
Reproductive Freedom for All,
have filed lawsuits in federal courts across districts of the U.S.
Democratic Caucuses of the House and Senate --
Senator Chris Van Hollen,
Senator Cory Booker,
Senator Bernie Sanders,
Senator Adam B. Schiff ,
Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii put holds on the felon's judicial nominees,
House Reps. Jamie Raskin, CA
Maxwell Frost, FL,
Democratic Minority leader Hakeem Jeffries NY has held press conferences & organized shadow oversight hearings,
Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez NY
have been setting public donation records, conducting across 50 states over 130 red district town halls, held political rallies, given TV & media commentary
Before asking for what's common knowledge here, you need to do your homework before you draw attention to your ignorance. Click on this little DU icon on the upper right corner of your screen, and type in your question to get some idea of the DU context of your question.

In case the above isn't enough for you...
March:
March 17: Democrats launch "People's Town Halls" nationwide, targeting vulnerable Republicans according to Democrats.
March 29: Rep. Maxwell Frost attends the Michigan Democratic Party People's Town Hall in Warren, Michigan.
April:
April 10: Democrats announce a "People's Town Hall" blitz during the April recess to hold the GOP accountable for their budget plan.
April 10: The Democratic Party states they are "doubling down" on town halls in Republican-held districts, featuring high-profile figures like Senator Cory Booker.
April 13: A People's Town Hall is held in Arizona's 6th Congressional District, represented by Republican Rep. Juan Ciscomani.
April 22: A "Good Trouble Festival" town hall takes place in Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District, represented by Republican Rep. Rob Bresnahan.
April 24: A town hall is held in Colorado's 8th Congressional District, represented by Republican Rep. Gabe Evans.
April 24: Another town hall is hosted in North Carolina's 9th Congressional District, represented by Republican Rep. Richard Hudson.
April 25: A town hall occurs in Missouri's 2nd Congressional District, represented by Republican Rep. Ann Wagner.
April 26: The Manatee Democratic Party, in partnership with Indivisible Manatee, hosts a Town Hall Event featuring former Congressman and MSNBC Contributor, David Jolly.
May:
May 16: Greenwood's Town Hall at 6:30pm EDT.
May 17: "Benefits Over Billionaires" Town Hall in Allentown, Pennsylvania's 1st Congressional District, at 7:00pm EDT.
May 17: Muncie's Town Hall in Indiana's 5th Congressional District, at 10:00am EDT.
May 18: "Benefits Over Billionaires" Town Hall in Bucks County, Pennsylvania's 1st Congressional District, at 5:30pm EDT.
May 19: New Bern's Town Hall in North Carolina's 3rd Congressional District, at 6:00pm EDT.
May 20: SPCDP Tiny Town Hall in Nebraska's 3rd Congressional District, at 6:00pm EDT.
May 25: Dawson County Town Hall in Nebraska's 3rd Congressional District, at 3:00pm CDT.
June:
June 6: A People's Town Hall in Michigan's 7th Congressional District with Senator Elissa Slotkin and Congresswoman Kristen McDonald Rivet at 5:30pm EDT.
July:
July 8: Fort Wayne's Town Hall in Indiana's 3rd Congressional District at 6:00pm EDT.
July 11: The Manatee County Democratic Party hosts a virtual candidate town hall, featuring candidates for US Representative, District 16, Manatee School Board, District 1 (non-partisan), and Manatee County Commissioner.
July 19: Beto O'Rourke holds a town hall in Glen Allen, Virginia.
July 24: Democrats ramp up town hall offense with focus on Epstein.
July 26: Florida Democrat Maxwell Frost holds a town hall in Dayton, Ohio, with Senator Chris Murphy.
July 26: American Pride Rises hosts the "Summer of Us" town hall and community celebration in Orlando, focused on discussing challenges and promoting solutions to expand healthcare coverage, strengthen community hospitals, and address affordability issues.
July 30: Indivisible is launching a national effort to train one million people, with the next session taking place on this date.
July 31: Democratic Rep. Mark Pocan is scheduled to speak in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin.
August:
August 14-16: Florida League of Cities Annual Conference takes place in Orlando, Florida.
August 20: Manatee Chamber Headliners Luncheon takes place in Lakewood Ranch, Florida.
End of August: Florida Democrat Maxwell Frost plans another event with Senator Elizabeth Warren in Nebraska.
Any more sweepingly wrong, baseless, negative questions, implications and/or claims about the Democratic Party and its leaders are close to not even deserving informative answers.
Seeing nothing on your part doesn't equal doing nothing on the party's part. Where have you been for the last six months. Wake up. Use the DU search icon.
spooky3
(38,632 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)I pity you.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)and you replied to, I beg to differ. I see no evidence of your accusation being valid.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)And obviously put some time and effort into it.
Maybe you are not seeing what you don't want to see.
Cha
(319,067 posts)who I've respected and trusted for years.
She Fights for our Democracy
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)oasis
(53,692 posts)AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)My concern is what our elected leaders are doing TODAY in the face of trump seizing the nations capital.
Response to AverageJoe (Reply #91)
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LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)If they give press conferences, everyone complains, "That's lame". If they protest, everyone complains, "That's not enough".
Write articles of impeachment in a few hours? Write articles of impeachment every single day?
Can they put a muzzle on Trump's mouth? Tie him up? Gang up on him and throw him in jail? Fight FBI agents in the street? Fight the national guard themselves?
What is supposed to happen?
Actually the court is probably in DC's ball and those in DC who are being harassed by these agents.
It seems like every time Trump does something wrong, the Democrats gets blamed by other Democrats!!!
AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)I wish I did.
How many times have we seen OPs here criticizing Democrats for sending "strongly worded letters" or tweeting or whatever.
Where is the criticism of the people in power? Where?
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)The "strongly worded letter" insult always pisses me off.
Democrats blamed for MAGAt Republican corruption always.
betsuni
(29,076 posts)Believers have been told the tale that both sides are corrupt and evil. The lesser of two evils, Democrats, cannot be trusted and even when they do everything the people say they want, they are just pretending, could easily stop all the bad things but refuse. Anyone who claims they see the Democrats do things are fools. It is dark magic and does not exist.
The savior writes strongly worded letters, signs others' strongly worded letters, goes on TV for strongly worded interviews, gives strongly worded rallies, sends strongly worded tweets. The words are magical! Oh, the passion! The People will hear the words and rise up behind the savior in revolution ... um, maybe one of these years, uh, eventually?
mcar
(46,055 posts)Thank you.
Cha
(319,067 posts)That Our Dems Are Doing Their Jobs!
Thank You Do Much For Gathering the Evidence!
Quiet Em
(2,936 posts)Thank you!!!
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Excellent post!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)Response to AverageJoe (Reply #2)
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creeksneakers2
(8,015 posts)I'd like to remind you that no matter what we get in the media the Trump followers are a brainwashed cult and will not hear a word of it. We are doing all we can.
I really wish people would stops spreading this myth that Democrats aren't doing anything. Did you know that same falsehood badly hurt turnout in 2024? That lie is part of why we are where we are. The same lie, pushed by assholes like David Hogg, may screw us in the midterms too.
gab13by13
(32,318 posts)Local Fox affiliates will cover them.
Sending me robot texts asking me for campaign money doesn't inspire me.
I will donate 100 dollars to every Congressional Democrat who does specific issue town halls on Epstein Gate. Get victims if possible, get victims' lawyers, get the families of victims, get former prosecutors, get former head of the federal Bureau of prisons.
Do it and I promise 100 bucks per town hall.
The time to do town halls based on the Big Ugly Death Bill was last March, and they should not have passed the CR. Negotiate to protect the safety social net. Time Mattered.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)mcar
(46,055 posts)I kind of think you know that.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)New Breed Leader
(928 posts)But they're using their social media platforms and what little liberal media outlets there are like Stephanie Miller to get the word out
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)angrychair
(12,279 posts)There are procedural moves and rules. They can refuse to allow votes in the Senate. I think more Democrats have voted for his cabinet and bills now then they did the first term.
They can just leave and not give them a quorum.
They can do stuff. They just are choosing to play it safe and play nice. They and the Republicans are not even playing the same game anymore.
Republicans are playing by 2025 rules and most Democrats are playing by 1985 rules.
Wiz Imp
(9,993 posts)"They can just leave and not give them a quorum." - False. No they can't. (In the Senate, a quorum, which is the minimum number of members required to conduct business, is a majority of the senators duly chosen and sworn. This means that for the Senate to operate, at least 51 of the 100 senators must be present.)
"I think more Democrats have voted for his cabinet and bills now then they did the first term." - False. You're way off the mark here. It isn't even close. The Senate has passed a grand total of 5 bills this year that were subject to the filibuster. In 2017, thru the end of July there were 7. This year, 11 nominees were confirmed without a single Democratic Vote. In 2017, there were only 3 nominees who didn't receive a single Democratic Vote.
angrychair
(12,279 posts)Because Republicans never seem to have a problem stopping or delaying votes when Democrats are in charge. From Tuberville to Rand Paul, they never seem to have any issues gumming up the works. While Democrats supported the CR. Voted in support of the SAVE Act to do unrepairable harm to the right to vote. The GENIUS Act to help make taco tits and his sycophantic buddies crypto billionaires. They should not have voted for a single cabinet member as not a single one is qualified for their position.
And lastly a good portion didn't seem to have a problem voting to give Israel billions and billions of dollars in aid while they murder innocent children and give their own citizens free healthcare and college while we are stripping healthcare from our most needy and leaving college only available to very wealthy unless you want to be saddled with decades of debt.
Wiz Imp
(9,993 posts)That will never pass the Senate.
angrychair
(12,279 posts)Voted to pass it.
Notice you didn't say anything about the others.
Wiz Imp
(9,993 posts)You were talking about the Senate, so now you're gonna switch to the House because your statement was 100% wrong? Besides, they're just more meaningless votes because the bill would have passed even with 0 Democratic votes and it will never pass the Senate under any circumstances unless they abolish the filibuster. So you're going to blame Democrats for a bill Republicans would have passed anyway?
I did effectively mention the GENIUS act as a bill that a lot of Democrats supported. I said most people here disagree with it but not all Democrats do. If you're going to demand all Democrats must vote the way you want them to on every single piece of legislation and every nominee then say goodbye to the party. Demanding purity is the quickest way to destroy the party.
angrychair
(12,279 posts)I only mentioned the four votes on the SAVE Act because Democrats did vote for it.
The GENIUS Act is nothing more than a boondoggle for taco tits and his buddies. I've read their supposed justification for their vote and it's BS.
There was no legitimate purpose for that bill. There was no legitimate reason to pass that bill. None.
Wiz Imp
(9,993 posts)doing those things. In reality, the Democrats are doing EXACTLY WHAT TUBERVILLE DID!!!! Tuberville placed a hold on military promotions. There were like 1000 that were bundled together. Trump will never nominate hardly anyone for a military promotion so that won't come up again. And besides, that hold really only hurt the people whose promotions were delayed moreso than the operation of the government itself. Now, Democrats have placed holds on dozens if not hundreds of nominees themselves. But don't let the facts get in the way of your complaining.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/all-the-presidents-nominations-taking-stock-at-the-200-day-mark/
One primary cause of the bottleneck slowing Trumps nominees is a significant increase in procedural barriers during the confirmation process.
So Democrats have delayed Trump's nominees to the tune of the LONGEST AVERAGE CONFIRMATION DELAY ON RECORD. That is they have been bigger obstructionists on Trump's nominees than Republicans ever were - but somehow you think Republicans do a better job of blocking Democrats? The facts show you are WRONG!
And nice move of the goalposts there on Senate votes. You said they voted for more bills and nominees this year than in 2017 which you were shown to be 100% WRONG about, but you ignored that and went on to complain about the fact that some democrats voted for some nominees even though, Trump's nominees have gotten the fewest votes from the opposing party of any nominees in history, and every single one of them would have been approved even if there were 0 Democratic votes for any of them.
betsuni
(29,076 posts)People accuse Democrats of not doing things, are corrected with evidence, an hour later go right back to repeating the same old wrong bullshit. It's the script and must be followed in lockstep -- then project that on to others and accuse them of marching in lockstep and being stupid.
Always the same party around here.
Escurumbele
(4,094 posts)corruption of this administration, if one can call it "administration".
Making lots and lots of noise, to try to open people's eyes to the corruption, the cruelty, the disarray of these thugs, to make them understand that they are not incompetent, they are just evil, cruel, traitors, and everything else they are.
THAT is what the should be doing, to a minimum. Oh, and of course, they should be subpoenaing these thugs in order to expose their crimes.
There is so much they can do, if republicans can do it when they are the minority then Democrats can also do it.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Or "convicted felon Trump" or "adjudicated rapist Trump" or "the twice impeached Trump."
This! 1000 times this!
Xoan
(25,570 posts)Response to AverageJoe (Original post)
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gab13by13
(32,318 posts)Let Krasnov blow it all up and then beat them in the next election.
If the election is rigged and we lose, blame lack of voter turnout.
New Breed Leader
(928 posts)mcar
(46,055 posts)Bettie
(19,704 posts)I hear that's what you do in a crisis.
There are some who are speaking out, but frankly, the media doesn't cover them at all.
But there are others who don't bother to say anything.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)In Illinois, Sean Casten had a town hall in my red district. His town halls are sponsored by our Democratic Central Committee state chair.
Instead of criticizing everything Democratic, start supporting and paying attention. When they do have an event, show up.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)but, I do show up to the ones that do.
And I did point out that the media doesn't cover them.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)How is that fair, just, or accurate on your part?
Bettie
(19,704 posts)I said:
"There are some who are speaking out, but frankly, the media doesn't cover them at all."
In this sentence, I stated that there are those who speak out and the media doesn't cover them.
I fail to see how this constitutes blaming Democrats, it does however, cast blame on media, which avoids coverage of things that might upset "dear leader".
questionseverything
(11,836 posts)I tried googling it and it said 4 years ago, so I couldnt find the recent one
I am not doubting you, i just cant find the details
mcar
(46,055 posts)LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)Securing their wealth. Fortifying their bunkers.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Nimble_Idea
(2,849 posts)Implement Order 1. Florida Strategy to grow the voter base. (order given 10 years ago).
LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)Collating the data.
mcar
(46,055 posts)WTF are Democrats doing?!!11 is the title of this OP in all caps.
But if they do something, they are derided and mocked.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Where are they, and why cant they figure out a creative plan?
Seriously, for one minute, reverse the roles. If this was a Democratic president pulling this shit, the Republicans would be all over it. They would lie, cheat and steal to keep it from happening. They would at a minimum be putting up road blocks.
All Im hearing from Dems is crickets. We need bigger crickets!!!
AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)sop
(18,612 posts)Biophilic
(6,552 posts)dalton99a
(94,113 posts)Hence the see-nothing hear-nothing do-nothing approach
Biophilic
(6,552 posts)And that both makes me sad and angry.
ForgedCrank
(3,095 posts)you expect them to do right now?
We hold a minority position.
Other than fulfil their duty to vote like we expect them to do, what do you propose ?
questionseverything
(11,836 posts)And the out of power republicans stopped the public option and gave us an insurance bill instead of a healthcare policy
If we have the numbers we lose, if we dont have the numbers, we lose
ForgedCrank
(3,095 posts)the result of crafting bills that even some in our own party reject. So technically, a portion of our own party stopped it. We had the numbers, the totality of the bill was just unpopular as it was written.
betsuni
(29,076 posts)Zero Republican votes, they didn't change anything. There were 60 votes for only four months and ten days and it was a few Democrats who refused to vote for it unless things were taken out.
Obama: "What is it about 60 votes these people don't understand? Should I tell the thirty million people who can't get covered that they're going to have to wait another ten years because we can't get them a public option?"
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Response to betsuni (Reply #83)
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appmanga
(1,492 posts)...and that was just the beginning of their obstruction, so it's not like Obama had that majority from Day One.
questionseverything
(11,836 posts)It did take months for franklin to get seated, after he won his recount and then the democrats had 60 in the senate
And yet we got a republican insurance bill instead of the promised public option
The repubs right now have no where near the numbers he had but control everything
appmanga
(1,492 posts)...so it wasn't from Day One. Franken got seated in July, just before August recess.
questionseverything
(11,836 posts)59 out of 100 is a clear majority
appmanga
(1,492 posts)Or are you simply looking for attention?
questionseverything
(11,836 posts)Even when they dont have 60 members, because democrats dont want to be impolite or something
I assume you understand it took democrats to give the repubs power by voting with them for cloture
Wiz Imp
(9,993 posts)2 of those were routine bills. 2 were bills that most here disagree with but many Democrats agreed with. Only on the CR was there a real vote on cloture. Cloture was rejected on 4 bills. Of course, you need to keep in mind that the Republican party doesn't even bother trying to pass much legislation at this point. They think they can legislate through Trump's EOs
LearnedHand
(5,495 posts)Just because cable networks wont cover them doesnt mean they have no voice and no outlet. Generate their own headlines instead of waiting for some loser newspaper to discover they exist.
mcar
(46,055 posts)LearnedHand
(5,495 posts)And Im glad for them. Where is everyone else? Where are the yeomen reps and senators raking this egregious shattering of the democratic contract? Where are the voices aiming squarely at the (easy target) billionaires who have broken us and our country?
mcar
(46,055 posts)Glad to know.
Ping Tung
(4,370 posts)The object of civil society is justice, not truth, virtue, wealth, knowledge, glory or power. Justicee is followed by equality and liberty. Lord Acton
Ars Longa
(524 posts)Jeffries next..
New people who can Lead and communicate--in Real-Time!!
ancianita
(43,307 posts)at least once or twice weekly. Not only that, but they've put themselves and other Democrats' congressional speeches before CSPAN cameras and into the Congressional Record.
Schumer has made numerous appearances, particularly in relation to:
-- Debates and discussions on government funding, including a notable instance in March 2025 where he initially opposed then supported a Republican spending bill to avoid a government shutdown.
This decision generated significant news coverage and backlash from within his own party.
He appeared on programs such as Meet the Press to defend his position.
-- Floor remarks and press conferences on various topics such as Trump's policies, Project 2025, trade tariffs, Social Security, and aid to Israel.
-- Interviews on his book "Antisemitism in America: A Warning," including appearances on CBS Mornings and -- The New York Times' "The Interview".
-- Media appearances and press conferences on issues like Trump's nominees and the Epstein Files.
-- A postponed book tour due to security concerns after his funding bill decision, which also generated news coverage.
Hakeem Jeffries has done the same in the House. Just a couple of hours ago he slammed the felon for seizing control of DC Police. Yeah, The Hill reported it. Now try googling.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Total+news+appearances+by+Hakeem+Jeffries+in+2025%3F%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Democratic congressperson who represents your district to express your opinion.
If you do not have two Democratic senators and/or a Democratic congressperson to contact, volunteer to help elect them.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)At least we are hearing something from the progressives. The most from Bernie. He even went on Rogans podcast.
questionseverything
(11,836 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)I don't listen to podcasts.
Dems need to do better at getting coverage on networks. If the networks refuse, then they need to buy the time. Whatever it takes.
H2O Man
(79,048 posts)There isn't any single source that the majority of people get their news from. I agree 100% that Democrats need to get on the networks. I can think of a few spokespersons I'd like to see. Just my opinion, but I think Jamie Raskin would be the best choice to address the Epstein/Maxwell/felon scandal.
There are some good journalists & reporters on the various news channels. Some that people liked have been let go, for any number of reasons. And many of them have now started podcasts, and along with some older ones, are indeed drawing large audiences. There are indications that their numbers will continue to grow.
So it isn't a case or either/or. We should not limit ourselves to fighting on one front. If everyone, from the grass roots to DC did their part, we could fight on every front.
Celerity
(54,405 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... back on planet Earth they're all sleep taking a nap
maxrandb
(17,425 posts)You know "where the fuck are the Democrats?"
They are using the fucking power that the voters fucking gave them...in other words...NOT MUCH.
Where are the fucking patriots? is a more appropriate question.
This fucking evil, distopian, authoritarian shit belongs to the fucking MAGAt voters...and to every God Damned voter who didn't vote for the Democratic ticket because...I don't know...they weren't mean enough to the Israelis, or they said; "yeah, we have the rule of law, so we can't just do whatever the fuck we want to do when we have the majority", or, maybe they said; "we can't just excuse every fucking student loan, or give everyone fucking ponies".
JFC! Asking "where are the Democrats?", is like asking a rape victim; "so, how short was the skirt you were wearing when you were attacked?"
The Democrats are fighting with the tools they have. Short of setting themselves on fire, what do you want?
"Where is Superman? I gave him that fucking kryptonite necklace, so where in the fuck is he?"
I can't wait until Sep/Oct 2026, so I can read all the fucking "DEMs aren't fighting hard enough, or pure enough...let's talk about this Green Party candidate"...and all the "I am not giving a dime to the DNC unless they fullfil my every fucking need" threads on DU.
That is, if I get past all the fucking "Sidney Sweeny is selling soap made out of her bathwater" threads.
LATHER, FUCKING RINSE, FUCKING REPEAT!
AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)Where are they TODAY, RIGHT THIS SECOND, as Trump announces plans to seize the nations capital?
maxrandb
(17,425 posts)And this fascist action was only taken a couple of hours ago. I have seen Dem after Dem on the news excoriating this bullshit move against DC.
"Eleanor Holmes Norton, a non-voting delegate representing DC in the House of Representatives, said the decision is an historic assault on DC home rule, is a counterproductive, escalatory seizure of DCs resources to use for purposes not supported by DC residents, and is more evidence of the urgent need to pass my DC statehood bill.
Ken Martin, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, said: Trump is once again playing political games using service members and federal law enforcement officials. Trump doesnt give a damn about keeping DC residents safe.
When rioters violently stormed the Capitol and there were repeated requests for the national guard, Trump failed to act. To add insult to injury, he released from jail those 1,500 violent insurrectionists who assaulted police officers and broke local and federal law.
Al Sharpton, the founder and president of the National Action Network, suggested that the intervention was motivated by a desire to distract from criticisms over the administrations handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
Donald Trump was inspired to take this disgusting, dangerous, and derogatory action solely out of self interest, he said. Lets call the inspiration for this assault on a majority Black city for what it is: another bid to distract his angry, frustrated base over his administrations handling of the Epstein files.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)sheshe2
(97,620 posts)THANK YOU, MAX!!!
Sorry to have screamed, I was afraid you wouldn't be able to hear my heartfelt response to your fact filled post of what Democrats are actually doing...and how easy it is to find. Thank you again, Max.
moonshinegnomie
(4,017 posts)we need actual action. shut the damn country down if need be. massive strikes. make being a gop politicans a nightmare. confront them every time they show their faces in public. protest out of their homes. make their every moment outside of the capitol miserable
maxrandb
(17,425 posts)or the 2500 people that showed up in ruby red WV to the Sanders rally?
Have you seen American patriots placing their bodies and automobiles in front of ICE vehicles in CA and VA and NY and WI and IL and Iowa...fucking IOWA? Because I have.
There are millions fighting everyday.
I quit asking; "where are the Dems"? in November 2024. I now ask; "where am I"?, because that's about the only thing I can control.
This is not a fucking SITCOM, or Soap Opera. It's not going to all be fixed in 30 minutes.
The Reich has been working diligently on this fucking fascist shit since FDR won his 4TH term.
We....(CAPITAL WE) need to get to work.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)mcar
(46,055 posts)and I applaud you for it.
Dogberry57
(16 posts)I'm disgusted with the narrative that Dems are doing nothing. I participate in demonstrations. I write letters to my (republic) congressman (rubber stamp). I follow AOC, Bernie, and others. I stay informed and question others. If you are spending your time complaining, your losing time working on solutions.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Traildogbob
(13,017 posts)I hear you and feel you.
Thats more Fucks than I would hear on my Destroyer, before women were allowed after 10 days at sea in the 6th month of a 7 month deployment. And smoking was allowed during a 12 hour Starboard watch in CIC. FUCK us non smokers health. And the Chief is a filterless Camel chain smoker. Lots of Fuck this, Fuck that, and Fuck yous and that is a Fucking A Fact.
Well done!!!!
stage left
(3,306 posts)Where are the fucking repubs waving their God damned flags, claiming to hold the Constitution dear. What the hell happened to those guys. They don't seem to have a principle left. Where are all the people who couldn't be bothered to vote. Or the ones who couldn't be bothered to vote for a woman and helped this Monster become President. I'm fucking inarticulate with rage!
mcar
(46,055 posts)Response to AverageJoe (Original post)
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orangecrush
(30,252 posts)Duncan Grant
(8,920 posts)Its an outrage they wont do anything against a real threat. Its not that they cant, they wont.
58Sunliner
(6,329 posts)Not the same.
Duncan Grant
(8,920 posts)Thats the lesson here. Democrats demonstrated they could come together, stick to a message and remove their incumbent from the ticket. If they could raise the money, energy and power to do that media or no media they should be able to coalesce around those same resources. Unless, of course, theyre not representing me, but rather, the donor class. Something to consider, huh?
Theyre not powerless. Thats the myth. Im not asking them to legislate trump. Im asking them to form a resistance movement and if they wanted to, they could do that easily.
58Sunliner
(6,329 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)The Democrats of the Texas Leg. are fighting for your democracy and mine. Why have you not noticed that?
My local US Congressman has shown up at district rallies my US Senator was thrown to the floor and arrested by whoever the hell it was the orange monster sent to protect Los Angeles federal buildings other elected Dems have tried repeatedly to gain access to the concentration camps, sometimes being shoved around and arrested.
I repeat: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU YOURSELF DOING? And why has that not been in the national news?
Hassler
(4,921 posts)Hassler
(4,921 posts)And Pritzger is housing the
Texas legislators at his hotel. What would you like them to do instead?
Hekate
(100,133 posts)I dont know about Pritzker, but theres a movement afoot *here* to knock Democratic governors off the list of potentials to run for president 3 years from now, and Newsoms name gets mentioned every time. I dont know what he did to offend hes my gov, and I think hes doing great, just so people know.
bromeando
(173 posts)Blame the idiots who voted for the felon trump fascists.
Warpy
(114,614 posts)because rich men who own them think we're going to make their taxes go up and we will.
Howeer, I've read that they're out having town halls (unlike the MAGAts) and trying to stymie the GOP as much as they can when they're back in DC.
58Sunliner
(6,329 posts)That is what has to happen here.
CaptainTruth
(8,199 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)But the people need leadership to get behind. Where is that leadership?
58Sunliner
(6,329 posts)Gone are the days, apparently, when political leaders led a march? I don't think we can hold out for them any longer.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)We need to be channeling public outrage over these latest police state actions, and fighting back!
Torchlight
(6,822 posts)Dunno offhand where any other Democrat is at the moment, but this one is at his office desk typing on a political message board... not very much in other words.
Maru Kitteh
(31,759 posts)strongly worded letters. What? Are you trying to tell me it hasnt been working?
mcar
(46,055 posts)WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE DEMOCRATS?
But they must be perfect in their responses. And for God's sake, don't mention Jesus. And they must do exactly what I want them to do.
I'm extremely tired of the "strongly worded letters" nonsense. And you may not know this, but a lot of Democrats are people of faith, including some of our Democratic leaders.
Tell me, please, what, exactly, do you want/expect them to do right now.
Cha
(319,067 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 11, 2025, 09:22 PM - Edit history (1)
of that "strongly worded letter" meme, too. Especially When Our Dems Are Out There Working HARD for us!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20552896
mcar
(46,055 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)getting Nothing like first Traitor Nightmare.
But We Carry On.. Never Giving UP.
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)MineralMan
(151,263 posts)Tell us what you're doing.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)It is not up to the Average Democratic Voter to devise a strategy. We need leadership that pulls us all together and gives us a battle plan of what we can do.
These types of posts are a distraction in my opinion.
MineralMan
(151,263 posts)So, I spent three hours writing emails to House members and Senator's who know me. I made some suggestion.
That's what active Democrats do. Sorry you missed my point
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)You missed mine.
We are all writing emails, etc. Hey, its great that your Senators know you. Congratulations. Mine are Cruz and Cornyn and they dont give a damn about how many emails I write or protests I attend.
MY point is that nationally, we need leadership to organize a successful opposition to what the Republicans are doing. Then we ALL, as Democrats, get behind that opposition collectively. Its no good to chastise someone for asking what the party is doing, by asking what the individual is doing. The individual, alone, will not be effective. The individual, joined together with all others in an organized, collective movement WILL be effective.
Who is that leader and where do I get behind that person? We have people trying to lead but we dont have one, clear, undeniable person who is telling the electorate what Trump is doing to this country.
The Democratic Party needs to tell the individuals what to do! We need a strategy. We need creativity. We need to push the rules. We have nothing to lose. We need, in essence, a hero that the people will fall in line behind and support. Who is that person? And wheres that person today when Trump essentially invoked martial law? I havent seen it.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/01/colin-allred-texas-us-senate-democrat-2026-cornyn-paxton/
It's exhilarating to get in on the ground floor of any campaign.
https://colinallred.com/
https://secure.ngpvan.com/OGOhcIDd2USq_3_XyUoNcw2
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Why do you think that? There is nothing in any of my posts that says I am not active in getting Dems elected. You have made an assumption that is incorrect. I've been on DU a lot longer than you have, and I would guess, been active in campaigns a lot longer than you.
I don't need you to try to tell me what to do.
So cool the jets and have a nice day!
Cha
(319,067 posts)Activism!
Mike Nelson
(10,943 posts)... of DC on just now. I see the Texas representatives interviewed and the CA governor Newsom is fighting back and has a map on local TV. So, there are three examples. They are doing something. It's not easy. The media covers this... but not like the President and those in charge. And he is an expert at drawing all the attention.
miyazaki
(2,649 posts)Ya, much of DU lost it's collective fucking mind today.
Always Blue
(71 posts)AverageOldGuy
(3,831 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)That letter will be out next week - long after the current situation (i.e., the occupation of DC) has been normalized.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)and will continue throughout the summer recess.
There are 62 counties in NYS. Senator Schumer visits each and every one at least once each and every year.
This summer, he's doing anti-Trump/anti-Republican events that focus on how Trump cuts are impacting specific communities and constituencies and what Democrats are doing to help them.
Republicans hold 7 out of 26 New York congressional seats. We need to make that 0.
Talking about jobs in Orleans,
tariffs in Niagara,
health care in Cayuga,
Social Security in Broome,
mental health and education cuts in Tioga.
Cortland on how Trump is slashing Social Security
Jamestown on how Trump is ripping away jobs
Seneca Falls on how Trump is hurting rural schools
Yates County on how tariffs are hurting our farmers
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)n/t
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)Thanks for posting that.
Of course nothing Dems do will ever be good enough for people determined to be pessimistic and miserable.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)On the Senate floor Saturday night, Thune asked for unanimous consent for the chamber to vote on a handful of nominations and then break for a month.
Democrats had been slow-walking Trumps lower-level nominees, forcing Thune to keep the Senate in session this weekend to confirm them. In the minority, Democrats have the power to force Thune to jump over time-consuming hurdles before the chamber can vote.
Schumer made several demands to agree to let a batch of nominations be quickly confirmed by the Senate, according to the sources. The demands included the unfreezing of federal funds for an array of programs, including the National Institutes of Health and foreign aid.
The New York Democrat also wanted Trump to agree that he wont attempt to push through another package to slash federal funding known as rescissions after a $9 billion package to codify some cuts was approved earlier this summer.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/02/politics/senate-trump-schumer-standoff
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Watch Rachel on Mondays. Try to find local newspapers and local sources. See if that helps.
Reply to speak easy (Reply #21)
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:48 AM
Look online for interviews with US Senator Alex Padilla, who was piled on in a Los Angeles federal building, where he had business, got thrown to the floor and handcuffed. Look for press conferences with LA Mayor Karen Bass. See what you can find out about the ag fields of Ventura County Oxnard and Camarillo, especially.
One of our neighbors owns strawberry fields, and hes told all his workers to park their cars and trucks inside the property line, because that is private property (his) and ICE should provide a warrant altho personally, I think ICE is by now a bunch of thugs from assorted sources and they dont need no stinking badges.
To the rest of the country outside DU I have this to say: try growing your own perishables henceforth, because the kinds of produce you count on from California and Mexico rot quickly if not harvested on time. Call your backyard a Trump Freedom Garden or something.
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AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)My original question came from frustration and fear over what happened today. I was not suggesting no one has done anything ever.
North Coast Lawyer
(260 posts)With a handful of exceptions our representatives have proved cowardly and ineffective. We need more AOC/Bernie/Crockett and a hell of a lot less DNC.
dem4decades
(14,057 posts)liberalmediaaddict
(998 posts)Thanks to the double haters Democrats have ZERO power right now.
Trump and his MAGA Republicans control the White House, congress and the Supreme Court.
If we'd turned out to vote for Democrats in larger numbers in 2016 and 2024 we'd be living in an entirely different country right now and Donald Trump would be hosting season 30 of The Apprentice.
At this point Democrats can't do anything until the 2026 midterms.
This entire nightmare we're living in is the result of the majority of Americans deciding they couldn't vote for 2 supremely qualified women to become President of the United States.
We lived through this before in 2017 and 2018 when Trump had unified control of the federal government. It's miserable we're in this same spot again but all we can is look to the next election. Organize, turn out and win back the House.
stillcool
(34,407 posts)change to ever have happened in this country had something to do with politicians with no power. State governments are where it's at, although those are going, going, gone too. Coming soon to a state near you? Who will you blame then? Kind of funny if it wasn't so effing sad.
PennRalphie
(448 posts)Theyre on social media, typing in all caps and then bragging about how many likes and followers they have.
moonshinegnomie
(4,017 posts)Response to AverageJoe (Original post)
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H2O Man
(79,048 posts)I'm on DU right now as I'm taking a short break. I have been talking with a number of activists in the Democratic Party. We're making phone calls and sending e-mails to our elected officials.
What are you doing today?
betsuni
(29,076 posts)LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)America to Denmark: "You didn't prevent 9/11. We're going to invade you!"
"When we get mad, we go after allies!!"
betsuni
(29,076 posts)they lust to hate.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)PS - THE VOTERS VOTED FOR THIS TOTALITARIAN STATE.
betsuni
(29,076 posts)Orrex
(67,111 posts)calimary
(90,017 posts)Or at least it sure feels that way!
Hey, Ive been wrong before, and I almost desperately wish Id have gotten THIS one wrong, too.
NBachers
(19,438 posts)AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)Or voice frustration and fear?
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Voicing "frustrations and fear" based on misinformation as if it were true?
I'm just asking... what good purpose does it serve? When I hear things like that online, it always sounds more like a smear and an attack than someone who's legitimately curious or someone who's legitimately looking for comfort and reassurances.
I think we're all worried and a little frightened. And I'd offer a hug... but I'm angry now. Our stalwart and loyal Democrats and our great Democratic party does not deserve to be denigrated and smeared with falsehoods and innuendo.
Those things only serve to divide and weaken. It only serves to create distrust and a belief of the perpetual lie that "both sides are the same".
AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)With my original post? I have acknowledged a couple of times that, in my anger and frustration and fear I might have been unclear in my original question.
Its sometimes hard to have clear, accurate exchanges in a mediated environment. It was certainly not my intent to do as you suggest.
Trump seized the nations capital today. I hoped our elected leaders would have a stronger response.
Peace.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)... emotionally, impulsively, and absent good judgement. I understand. But I also see how that can be dangerous and possibly seen by others as selfish.
Response to Oopsie Daisy (Reply #148)
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Cha
(319,067 posts)Out! Good Grief!
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)
Cha
(319,067 posts)Posts to Rec!
TY, Nbachers
sarisataka
(22,694 posts)Oh never mind, I guess I am here.
Bread and Circuses
(2,045 posts)Note - this is not bashing Dems. I continue to vote and support Dems.
AverageJoe
(2,427 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,954 posts)they never have been.
wiggs
(8,812 posts)to a perception that dems are either ineffective, silent, or complicit. IMHO
Bluestocking
(653 posts)But the right wing media (our current mainstream media) is not going to show it. Our media is a right wing propaganda machine.
Bev54
(13,431 posts)and republicans as if it is only a one party system. Same shit, different day.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)... "timid, fearful, cowards, corrupt, complicit, lazy, weak, disinterested, unprincipled, blah-blah-BLAHHH!"
Please stop.
moonshinegnomie
(4,017 posts)and i cant count the number of text messages ive gotten saying so and so is fighting the GOP can i chip in xxxxx
but other than that i dont really see all but a few doing anything. frankly teh dems need to be A LOT more aggressive. If that means calling for general strikes or sit ins or anything else to gum up the works thn do it. But holding a few press conferences or sparsly attended rallys in teh middle of the week arent enough.
democrats needf to get off their asses. and i dont mean ones liek newsome or pritzker who are actually doing somethng. I mean teh so called democratic leadership.
imho they are active like neville chamberlins instead of winston churchills
slightlv
(7,789 posts)The only ones I can find are my local protest groups... but we're too small to make much noticeable noise, I'm afraid.
usonian
(25,308 posts)Repost.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114421
Repost.
Latest Indivisible newsletter and ACTION ITEMS
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114426
Repost in full.
Things have already gone too far for business as usual.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220489632
WHY?

THAT'S WHY

THAT'S WHY

THAT'S WHY
General Strike Info
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114325 (Activist HQ)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220438506 (GD)
Goddam it, we already have secret police and concentration camps.
IT MUST STOP NOW
Every day of acquiescence makes an end to fascism more costly in lost freedom and LIVES.
Xavier Breath
(6,640 posts)OC375
(934 posts)To a neighboring state to protest? Seems like a strategy that's getting dusted off year after year now.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,617 posts)Halfway through Joe Bidens term, Democratic voters abandoned their responsibility. They didn't deem it important enough and didn't vote. The Republicans took the House. In 2024, once again, Democrats didn't vote for Democrats and they didn't fight hard enough.
I was shocked, it shouldn't have mattered who was running for the D's, the Republicans had a lying, racist, felon running and we were given their agenda in "Project 2025". What other Republican in U.S. history has had so many fellow Republicans and former politicians and former appointees from their own administration come out in opposition to the nominee representing their party not to mention the Federal criminal charges pending at the time, not one but two impeachments and a failed Presidency resulting in 100's of thousands of needless deaths.
Are we seriously blaming our own politicians and policies for the loss in '24 and not fighting harder? Our Democratic politicians are fighting the way they have for 250 years, with decorum, civility, rules and a sense of fairplay. The Republicans are the ones that change the rules midgame.
All of those qualities I just mentioned about Democrats are the reason we vote for them as Democrats to represent us. They don't have the freedom and perhaps the ability to change who they are like we in the general public are able to.
I like many of you, am really angry. I sometimes lash out irrationally, leaving behind my civility. I sometimes find myself reduced to my most primal urges. I've felt a need to apologize for lashing out on more that one occasion on this site for my regretful angry responses. I don't want that from my politicians. But yes, I want to know they see what I see and feel what I feel. But they cannot react like me, we expect more of them.
For them to react to every outrageous remark or action from this Republican Administration would be counterproductive.
They would look feckless and impotent, much like the majority led Republican Legislators.
Because some Democrats and Independents decided to either not vote or vote for the Felon, was and is not our fault. It is their fault and their fault alone, for whatever reason they choose to hide behind. They can and should carry that burden til the day they die. They are responsible for the damage done to our Gov't, our policies and infrastructure that will take generations to repair.
Once again, like you, tomorrow I will once again be angry with our Democrats but for today in a moment of clarity, I support, defend and encourage our Democrats to "not go quietly into that good night". "Into the breech" once again, shall we?
milestogo
(23,078 posts)IT DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING.
mcar
(46,055 posts)There, fixed it for you.
MineralMan
(151,263 posts)Indykatie
(3,868 posts)WTF do Dems can do as the minority party? And for those who think they aren't being loud enough are probably not listening enough.
J_William_Ryan
(3,496 posts)And what exactly would you have Democrats do.
Denied access to the levers of power and in control of no Federal office or agency, there is nothing Democrats can do the consequence of the fear, ignorance, and stupidity of the voters.
Takket
(23,714 posts)Raskin: In any event, if he really cared about public safety in DC⦠he would not have pardoned 1600 insurrectionists and violent cop beaters on his first day in office.Â
— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 2025-08-11T20:49:54.281Z
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)And I am the first and only rec.
Maybe people are refusing to see what they don't want to see.
3 2 1...til someone says it's not enough.
mahina
(20,645 posts)They're fucking working
If you expect them to go out there and save democracy and also deliver a personal message to you at your door then I really don't know what to tell you
Other than that is not going to happen
So let me ask you this, how do you want the information delivered to you or are you interested in getting out there and looking for it?
It's an interesting thought, though that maybe as Pete Buttigieg just said in a live sub stack interview with Preet Bharara that we're all basically sorted into bins in our information stream online, so we only see information that supports are already existing beliefs mostly, sometimes it's a good idea to get out there and go looking
I really hope that Democrats message which I hear loud and clear every day is available to people outside of my bubble and maybe that's you
Cheers
Keepthesoulalive
(2,301 posts)They are standing behind her and she is asking you to stand up and give them the support they need instead of whining about every damn thing. You guys are beating out DT as the biggest whiners in the nation.
yellow dahlia
(5,866 posts)Chris Murphy said a couple of months ago (something along the lines of) - we don't have the time to wait until the next election. We need to SAVE Democracy now. He is one of the few truly identifying this as the crisis it is. Jamie Raskin, Maxwell Frost, Melanie Stansbury, Sheldon Whitehouse, Bernie Sanders, AOC, Zoe Lofgren, and a few others, are also calling it what it is.
Initech
(108,772 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)So there's that.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Quote
Ranking Member Jamie Raskin's Statement on President Trump's Unprecedented Takeover
Ranking Member Jamie Raskins Statement on President Trumps Unprecedented Takeover of Local Police in Washington, D.C.
August 11, 2025
Press Release
Washington, D.C. (August 11, 2025)Today, Rep. Jamie Raskin, Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee, released the following statement after President Donald Trump announced he would federalize the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) and deploy the National Guard in Washington, D.C.:
In another transparent ploy to distract America from his coverup of the Epstein file, Donald Trump now wants to militarize the District of Columbia to attack crime and clean up graffiti in the capital city despite the fact that crime is at a 30-year low in Washington and graffiti seems to be pretty sparse. It is at least heartening to have the President recognize what was obvious to the world on January 6, 2021, which is that he has the authority to call up the National Guard in Washington, D.C. On that day, Democratic and Republican Congressional leaders were literally begging Trump to deploy the Guard to put down the rampaging mob violence that he had incited against Congress, Vice-President Mike Pence and Capitol Police, Metropolitan Police and Montgomery County Police officers (among others) fighting to defend the Capitol. However, this action is four-and-a-half years late and obviously nonsensical today.
No one in Washington is asking Trump to deploy the National Guard or take over the MPD. This is a phony, manufactured crisis if Ive ever seen one.
Since taking office, Trump has repeatedly undermined public safety in our nations capital. On his first day, without consulting District leaders or the hundreds of police victims, Trump pardoned and released from prisons and jails 1,600 individuals who participated in the worst mass domestic violent attack on the U.S. Capitol and D.C.s local police in American history, including several hundreds convicted of beating cops. Then he began firing D.C.s most experienced career violent crime prosecutors simply because they had prosecuted the cop-beating January 6 insurrectionists whom Trump pardoned. He has named January 6 participants, pro-insurrectionist conspiracy theorists, and election deniers to run the U.S. Attorneys Office in D.C., the Justice Department, and the FBI.
In a textbook authoritarian maneuver, the President now invokes emergency powers to militarize the seat of government and override the authority and decisions of D.C.s elected officials. He of course does nothing to address the statehood petition of the Districts disenfranchised population of 700,000 taxpaying American citizens.
To be clear, this escalation has nothing to do with fighting crime. President Trump has made clear that he would like to expand these efforts beyond the Capital City, to take over American cities like Chicago, Oakland, and Baltimore, where his constitutional and legal authority would be even more dubious.
I will be introducing a Resolution in the House, pursuant to the District of Columbia Home Rule Act of 1973, to reverse this plainly ridiculous state of local emergency and restore full home rule powers to the Mayor, Council and people of the District of Columbia.
https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/ranking-member-jamie-raskin-s-statement-on-president-trump-s-unprecedented-takeover-of-local-police-in-washington-dc
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)DNC Chair Ken Martin Statement on Convicted Felon Donald Trump Taking Over DC Law Enforcement
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220553289
That's what I'm talking about!
Cha
(319,067 posts)Rec.
Excellent Comprehensive Statement from DNC Chair Ken Martin.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)How can 50 Americans be so totally lacking in courage? I just can't believe it.
As for railing against Democrats. Get out and knock on doors and flip some districts!!!!!
Hekate
(100,133 posts)thought crime
(1,562 posts)LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)Jack Valentino
(5,011 posts)will be limited to those few who are FIGHTING DEMOCRATS!!!!!
flamingdem
(40,889 posts)Pritzger.
Many others if they'd just get coverage.
MSM is afraid..
jonstl08
(565 posts)Been contacting my GOP rep and senators saying this takeover of the DC Police is pretty much the same as when the nazis federalized the german police force in the 1930's germany. Every week I send them my complaints about how this country is turning into a totalitarian state and they are doing nothing. They just ignore me because my state (Missouri) is controlled by the GOP. Been to protest marches and such. Also been commenting on posts in social media how Trump is dismantling Democracy and the GOP is letting it happen.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)More democrat bashing. We need an unrec button.
betsuni
(29,076 posts)33taw
(3,342 posts)Alliepoo
(2,832 posts)The very same thing.
usonian
(25,308 posts)Fight now or choose your prison ID number.


