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moniss

(9,150 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:09 PM Aug 2025

This may have gone under the radar

but on 07/24/25 Crumb The 1st signed an Executive Order directing HUD, HHS and DOJ to re-establish and greatly expand civil commitment for mentally ill people and people with drug dependency. As part of that EO it is made clear that people who are simply poor and homeless are included in that push for civil commitment. The language in the EO repeatedly discusses these groups and what is to be done and it spells out the EO as applicable to mentally ill people and drug dependent people and then it says "or if they are homeless and living on the streets" etc.

The EO orders facilities to be obtained etc. and one of the scariest parts is that there are no guidelines or criteria for declaring someone "mentally ill" and because this classification is not tied by the words "and is homeless" it would appear to be instructing DOJ to be free to apply this label and cause civil commitment by it's own judgement. The language also talks about the length of civil commitment being "flexible". In other words it's up to a government staff of unknown qualifications if and when you ever get out.

So under the EO if they want to claim you are mentally ill then they can grab you for civil commitment to one of their "facilities". Also of note is that the EO directs DOJ to go after programs that states use for harm reduction from drug use. The EO pushes the idea of criminal facilitation of drug use. Apparently they mean things like "needle exchange" programs.

There is already a critical shortage of trained mental health professionals in most areas of the country and addressing that will take a lot of money and time. The alternative if one is going to suddenly "sweep the streets" so to speak and plunk hundreds of thousands of people into "new facilities" then the most likely outcome is a massive case overload to the existing mental health professionals and there is no doubt that the outcome is needless lengthy delays and a return to "warehousing" people. Worse even will be the inevitable "medicate them into submission" approach. We know from experience of the past that locking up a large number of people with mental health issues in crowded facilities results in outbursts and people end up in jail because of those incidents when all they wanted was to be left alone but by being placed in close conditions with others who may be acting out the conflicts are inevitable. So to keep peace in a facility many of the people end up in a "medicated" situation that may do little to address their problems and in fact is more about not having "incidents".

But to so many of the ignorant and authoritarian types the problems of homelessness mainly give them distress because they have to see it when they drive down a street, walk in a park or walk on a sidewalk. So to them they will "solve" the problem by removing it from their sight and locking people away. Their attitude is that they can have people enter one door and lock people away and if somehow the person gets to the point where they are "happy, shiny people" and are supposedly ready to walk right into a full time job and try to pay exorbitant bills like the rest of us then they can come out another door.

But that is not how it works for people with mental health issues and drug dependency. It is a complicated matter with many aspects and issues and can be a lifelong roller-coaster of attempts and failures and struggles to find the will to start again and the care to support those tries.

https://homelesslaw.org/statement7242025/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/ending-crime-and-disorder-on-americas-streets/

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This may have gone under the radar (Original Post) moniss Aug 2025 OP
total nazi takeover. next, take people off the streets and kill them. saves housing and feeding What have Dems said? msongs Aug 2025 #1
then they will send you to the farms... ret5hd Aug 2025 #2
Or what about dweller Aug 2025 #3
only after they've used you up. ret5hd Aug 2025 #4
Anyone remember? Xoan Aug 2025 #5
The US government co-opted some of them EYESORE 9001 Aug 2025 #6
Thanks for this, moniss. ancianita Aug 2025 #7
If anyone can impersonate a federal agent without worrying about showing their face... Trueblue Texan Aug 2025 #8
Yeah, let's "hope" ... nt Justice matters. Aug 2025 #13
"...there are markodochartaigh Aug 2025 #9
The Soviet Union made a practice of committing dissidents to mental institutions Gaugamela Aug 2025 #10
It is the reestablishment of the Poor Houses and Asylums of the 1800s and early 1900s. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #11
Every time I think this evil bunch has checked all its worst "to do" boxes, calimary Aug 2025 #12
Commit them? LudwigPastorius Aug 2025 #14
Two concentration camps are being established Captain Zero Aug 2025 #19
When private prisons are a growth industry in a country dlk Aug 2025 #15
It's reported he is building more "Alcatraz". facilities. Dixiegrrrl Aug 2025 #16
See my post#19. Job growth in Indiana. Captain Zero Aug 2025 #20
Thanks for pointing it out. yellow dahlia Aug 2025 #17
I wouldn't mind if someone "solved the problem of Trump's mental illness" by Jack Valentino Aug 2025 #18

msongs

(74,201 posts)
1. total nazi takeover. next, take people off the streets and kill them. saves housing and feeding What have Dems said?
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:13 PM
Aug 2025

about this

ret5hd

(22,588 posts)
2. then they will send you to the farms...
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:30 PM
Aug 2025

I mean "agrarian rehabilitation facilities" to pick crops.

EYESORE 9001

(29,889 posts)
6. The US government co-opted some of them
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:23 PM
Aug 2025

The most talented in the design of killing apparatus. See Operation Paperclip.

ancianita

(43,364 posts)
7. Thanks for this, moniss.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:39 PM
Aug 2025

It reveals the depths of evil behind this madman and his lying henchmen, whether through threatening judges, or his final solution of labeling anyone unwell, or not white, as only fit to be abducted to concentration camps, or militarizing cities, or bombings, mass shootings, privatizing, banning medicines, food, shelter ... as Rachel has said on tv, Lord have mercy.

Trueblue Texan

(4,612 posts)
8. If anyone can impersonate a federal agent without worrying about showing their face...
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:47 PM
Aug 2025

...or presenting a badge, what's to protect the members of the government making these draconian policies? Who's to protect the members of the courts, including the SPOTUS? Do they realize how easy this violations of the Constitution can be used against them?

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
9. "...there are
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 12:33 AM
Aug 2025

no guidelines or criteria for declaring someone 'mentally ill"'.

I suppose that you are being facetious. It's perfectly obvious what the criterion is. If the Leader of your Homeland has been appointed by God, and is the best, the most successful Strong Leader in history, and you don’t fully support Him; you are obviously insane. And dangerously insane. Thankfully, in this time of ultimate turmoil we have our Strong Leader's War Fighters® ready to battle evil in the streets of Our Homeland®. And You Too can support Our Strong Leader and His War Fighters, and show that you are not one of the disgusting crazies who must be taken care of. Send $666.66 today to receive Our Strong Leader's Stamp of Approval on your forehead!

*Offer not available to tired, poor, huddled masses, or those yearning to be free.

Gaugamela

(3,575 posts)
10. The Soviet Union made a practice of committing dissidents to mental institutions
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 12:34 AM
Aug 2025

for indefinite duration. It was obvious incarceration where the prisoners could be given sedatives and who knows what.

SunSeeker

(58,374 posts)
11. It is the reestablishment of the Poor Houses and Asylums of the 1800s and early 1900s.
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 12:40 AM
Aug 2025
Poorhouses Were Designed to Punish People for Their Poverty
...
Throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries, poorhouses were a reality for society’s most vulnerable people. These locally run institutions filled a need in a time before Social Security, Medicaid and Section 8 housing became a reality. They also exposed the stigma and shame society placed on those who were unable to support themselves.
...
https://www.history.com/articles/in-the-19th-century-the-last-place-you-wanted-to-go-was-the-poorhouse

calimary

(90,816 posts)
12. Every time I think this evil bunch has checked all its worst "to do" boxes,
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 12:45 AM
Aug 2025

They come up with more.

It’s a living wide-awake nightmare.

LudwigPastorius

(15,007 posts)
14. Commit them?
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 02:07 AM
Aug 2025

That is too much work for ICEstapo. They'll just be disappeared.

Be on watch for giant bags of lime being trucked in about the time they start excavating to lay the foundation for Trump's ballroom.

You can bury a lot of bodies in a 90,000 sq ft hole.

Captain Zero

(8,954 posts)
19. Two concentration camps are being established
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 04:30 AM
Aug 2025

In INDIANA.

Camp Atterbury in the South.
They will be kicking out the Job Corps.
Atterbury used to also be known as Crane Naval Ammunition Depot

And one in Peru Indiana which I would bet $100 is part of the old Grissom AFB.

We are changing the Indiana State Motto from "The Crossroads of America" to "The Crossroads of Concentration Camps."

dlk

(13,343 posts)
15. When private prisons are a growth industry in a country
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 10:16 AM
Aug 2025

It’s not a democracy.

There was a shortage of beds in psychiatric facilities 30 years ago and the numbers have only declined since then.

Thank you, Ronald Regan, for putting us on this twisted path so long ago.

Jack Valentino

(5,252 posts)
18. I wouldn't mind if someone "solved the problem of Trump's mental illness" by
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 11:05 PM
Aug 2025

locking HIM away out of my sight.... !!!


Otherwise, if they aren't committing violent crimes, these homeless people should be left alone

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