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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, all this chaos is because nobody wanted a female president?
Damn those who didnt have the guts to vote for Hillary or Kamala and also those who didnt vote at all in 2016 and 2024! Youre mainly to blame for Trump destroying our democracy and our well being!
If this seems to harsh? Well, damn it, we would still have a democracy and not a wannabe dictator!
Katinfl
(885 posts)Walleye
(45,436 posts)Unfortunately, we women are used to this kind of disappointment. I guess we just have hope sometimes.
malaise
(297,947 posts)It is also because a black male won two terms as President
That, too.
electric_blue68
(27,322 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)and revert back to the 19th century where Black people have no right a white man is bound to respect.
It ain't happening.
LiberalArkie
(19,918 posts)Trump would have beaten Buttigieg, because well you know how those manly men and women voters see gay people.
College education is seen as a very wimpy life decision.
Sad. Like in Arkansas the voters chose Sarah over an actual rocket scientist for governor.
mcar
(46,360 posts)All we've lost because of misogyny.
maddiemom
(5,206 posts)It's encouraging to remember who got the most popular votes in 2016, at least, not that it mattered. Two presidential elections have gone by since, with nothing done about the Electoral College. Can you IMAGINE if 2016 had gone the other way? Trump would have never stopped raging about it. Where would we be today?
electric_blue68
(27,322 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(14,624 posts)Look at the popular vote! If it weren't for that *&^%$# Electoral College we'd probably have one!
Skittles
(172,880 posts)it would be fun to watch if they weren't bringing down the country
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,726 posts)Boomerproud
(9,363 posts)Anyone who disputes your statement is a liar.
writerJT
(467 posts)onenote
(46,228 posts)ancianita
(43,358 posts)Or it was, "I'd vote for a woman, but not THAT woman."
Racism and sexism are the sicknesses that malinger in the body politic.
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happy feet
(1,302 posts)and an Asian/African American to boot.
southmost
(834 posts)Pris
(167 posts)Just not enough. Our electoral system is easily exploitable and the head of the FBI foiled Hillary's win.
Many good women can run in 2028: Governor Mills of Maine (Badass), Governor Whitmer of Michigan (turned the state legislature from red to blue and is fiercely pro-choice), Senator Elise Slotkin (tough and experienced, Sec. of State Jocelyn Benson 9running for Governor).
These women are great but in a patriarchy people seem to push male candidates forward (even celebrity men with no political experience) rather than experienced amazing women.
Call out the sexism.
LisaM
(29,685 posts)However, I did not retaliate by withholding my vote for President (as I fear would have been the case with many voters if Hillary had been the 2008 nominee).
Some of my fiercest rage is for people who voted Democratic in the 2016 primaries but not in the general election, and for the 8 million who swept Biden in but disappeared in 2024.
Lulu KC
(8,901 posts)I can only think of a string of expletives now. An endless string.
writerJT
(467 posts)So its not that people didnt want a woman president, its the stupid electoral college system.
NNadir
(38,540 posts)barbtries
(31,350 posts)come on. it was not a unanimous decision. in fact it was a very sketchy win imo.
and don't forget that Kamala is also Black. i'm sure that was the bridge too far for many magats. as for the people who did not bother to vote, we should ask them.
IronLionZion
(51,551 posts)it's insane that it's still an issue in this country in this century.
I hope our party doesn't make the wrong conclusion and block other women from seeking the top job. We need to keep cracking until we break that glass ceiling.
maxsolomon
(39,127 posts)I'm not convinced it was the major reason.
My Dad said she was a Communist. My coworker said she was a Communist. She's not a Communist.
As a whole, Americans are deeply stupid. That could be the reason as much as anything.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)according to right-wingers.
Oh, yeah -- that's stupidity. And ignorance.
whathehell
(30,547 posts)Um, speak for you and yours, bro, but leave the rest of us out if it
The fact is, Trump won by LESS than 50% of the vote (49.8% ) so that's hardly "by and large". Even many who voted for him were not necessarily "stupid", just supporting him for the wrong reasons
maxsolomon
(39,127 posts)America is in a stupidity crisis.
Stupid people voted for Harris, too. Just not enough.
whathehell
(30,547 posts)misanthrope
(9,629 posts)From the wider view, it is because white supremacy felt threatened and that cultural spasm was exploited by the malefactors of great wealth.
Autumn
(49,020 posts)More people wanted Trump. That's the system we have.
madamesilverspurs
(16,535 posts)Were it not for Moscow Mitch, Trump wouldn't have been elected once let alone twice. Nor would we have an anything-but-Supreme Court that regards the Constitution as a quaint but meaningless inconvenience. Trump is the wrecking ball, but it's McConnell who planned our implosion.
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Bluestocking
(794 posts)FUCKING MORONS
MichMan
(17,393 posts)rickyhall
(5,510 posts)hueymahl
(2,906 posts)There is a historical parallel in England, with Margaret Thatcher, a conservative party member, being their first female Prime Minister. I think at this point in our evolution there are too many that can't abide a liberal and female president. It's a step too far.
SSJVegeta
(3,132 posts)I actually think it is the other way around. thinj there is a misconception that in order for a woman to win the presidency, she cant be too liberal and needs to "play it safe," staying within a careful conservative box of expectations.
But -especially in times of massive flux like we are in right now, I think that is the exact opposite of what one needs to do to win. IMHO: Being loud, speaking their mind and proposing radical change -is the most likely way for a politician (regardless of their gender or what they look like), to be successful.
SSJVegeta
(3,132 posts)Well. They're getting it 🙄
CaptainTruth
(8,257 posts)They clearly don't support the Constitution or the rule of law, so they should go live in a country that doesn't have those things.
MerryBlooms
(12,402 posts)In the books
Theresa Santini
(4 posts)sad to to see this
eppur_se_muova
(42,518 posts)By LISA LERER
Published 11:48 AM CDT, December 22, 2016
WASHINGTON (AP) Hillary Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than President-elect Donald Trump, giving her the largest popular vote margin of any losing presidential candidate.
Certified results in all 50 states and the District of Columbia show Clinton winning nearly 65,844,610 million votes 48 percent __ to Trumps 62,979,636 million votes __ 46 percent according to an analysis by The Associated Press.
Clinton is the fifth presidential candidate in American history to win the popular vote and lose the Electoral College. Democrat Al Gore, the only other presidential candidate this century to come up short in the Electoral College but claim a popular vote victory, received 540,000 more votes than President George W. Bush.
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more: https://apnews.com/article/2c7a5afc13824161a25d8574e10ff4e7
People wanted her; just not the people that count.
Gum Logger
(428 posts)Dems can not be losing Appalachiaby 90%. Remember, as army generals are fond of saying, the enemy gets a vote. A female nominee needs to be able to give stem-winder speeches, be fast talker, have the gift-of-gab. Somebody like repersentive Pat Schroeder
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