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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLetter: "Where are the voices of the Epstein/Maxwell survivors? Why aren't their stories front and center?"
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/2025/08/11/letter-where-are-voices/
While most traffickers are men, women also recruit and abuse. These women often start as trusted adults, luring victims with promises of hope. Ghislaine Maxwell was one of these women. She posed as a savior but delivered countless girls into the hands of her partner, participating in their abuse and showing no remorse.
One of her victims, Virginia Giuffre, said it best:
You spotted me at the Mar-a-Lago Hotel in Florida, and you made a choice You and he abused me together for the first time. Together, you did unthinkable things that still have a corrosive impact on me to this day.
Maxwell lied under oath. She is not a trustworthy source. And yet, reports now say she was moved to a lower-security prison after a meeting with a high-profile political figure, one who used to serve as the personal lawyer to the sitting U.S. president. These actions are not normal. They are unprecedented.
We should all be asking: Where are the voices of the survivors? Why arent their stories in the headlines?
Maxwell was just as much of a trafficker and rapist as Epstein was. And she was just as much of a buddy to Trump as Epstein. They socialized for years, and now Trump has arranged a sweetheart deal like the deal Epstein got in 2006. Despite the fact that she recruited and raped countless children. This is a friend of our president, someone who he "wishes well."
yardwork
(68,933 posts)MaineBlueBear
(405 posts)Mainstream media please wake up and start asking them
MineralMan
(150,579 posts)Things are dangerous out there for people who dare to defy the assholes. Very dangerous, I think.
Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)to be heard right now.
There was a whole incident years back about how some of them were interviewed by Vanity Fair and they thought they'd finally have their story told, but Epstein threatened Graydon Carter (who I love and this is disappointing) and he watered down the story to leave the girls out of it. https://vickyward.com/article/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight/
And new victims will be having a news conference with a Democratic and Republican Senator in a couple of weeks in light of the apparent deal with Maxwell: https://www.newsweek.com/new-jeffrey-epstein-survivors-come-forward-2113463, but why has the press not led with their voices?
SheltieLover
(76,425 posts)spanone
(140,948 posts)Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)They're complicit.
Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)Theyre an accessory, and they profit from this. Do you think jake tapper would quit over principal? Remind me how much he is paid again? They are all filthy rich from being "journalists". They will do whatever they are told. They will justify it because all of their friends are reporters, and they will do the same because they live in a vacuum.
RobinA
(10,464 posts)in this, I surely would not want my name linked with this dog and pony show of human trash. If someone does, that's fine, but I certainly wouldn't.
Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)Wiz Imp
(8,848 posts)If they want to tell their story, what's stopping them? There's thousands of stories on the internet from Epstein victims. Nothing has stopped the many dozens whose stories are easily found. Truth is, the vast majority of victims remain reluctant to tell their stories for whatever reasons, but plenty has been heard from victims who have been willing to speak out.
A sampling of article from just this past week.
https://www.newsweek.com/new-jeffrey-epstein-survivors-come-forward-2113463
New Jeffrey Epstein Survivors To Come Forward: What To Know
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/13/us/video/the-lead-jefferey-epstein-documents-files-donald-trump-ghislaine-maxwell-jake-tappers
Epstein victims' attorney: DOJ isn't interested in "transparency"
https://www.npr.org/2025/08/12/nx-s1-5494560/what-one-of-jeffrey-epsteins-victims-wants-from-the-trump-administration
What one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims wants from the Trump administration
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/07/jeffrey-esptein-ghislaine-maxwell-victims-grand-jury-testimony-00498772
Epstein victims speak out: This smacks of a cover up
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/08/politics/epstein-maxwell-survivors-analysis
Epstein victims are a growing political threat to Trump
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/8/8/jess_michaels
Epstein Survivor Jess Michaels: Victims Want Accountability & Justice, Not Political Grandstanding
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5442466-congress-hearing-epstein-maxwell-victims/
Oversight Democrats call for hearing with Epstein victims
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/thomas-massie-epstein-files-survivors-b2806867.html
Bipartisan group plans to bring Epstein victims to capital to speak out on files and push Congress to release them
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/08/us/video/epstein-maxwell-victim-trump-collins-ldn-digvid
Hear Epstein accuser's message to Trump on potential Maxwell pardon
https://cdispatch.com/news/victims-feeling-exhausted-and-anxious-about-wrangling-over-jeffrey-epstein-files/
Victims feeling exhausted and anxious about wrangling over Jeffrey Epstein files
https://medium.com/@lovefoods_54026/jeffrey-epsteins-victims-families-are-speaking-out-on-the-issues-b48b7c22c301
Jeffrey Epsteins Victims Families are Speaking Out on the Issues
MontanaMama
(24,609 posts)Particularly TikTok and Instagram. Michael Wolff has a daily video on Insta about the crimes FOTUS and Epstein committed. The MSM doesn't give two shits about the victims. We've decided as a culture to disbelieve and diminish women and girls so this does not surprise me in the least.
Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)mackdaddy
(1,935 posts)He says that he has pitched a Epstein book many times since the Epstein death, and the story was treated as radioactive by publishers.
The story did not really get traction until Trump's DOJ suddenly said nothing to see after the story had been hyped for years. And the the Elon blow up.
There have also been many interviews with the victims/survivors of Maxwell/Epstein that never got any real coverage. Suddenly stories that have been out there for 20 years are getting seen.
orleans
(36,661 posts)from above link
https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-model-drops-twisted-game-bombshell-trump-allegation/
Stacey Williams says Jeffrey Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump, who allegedly groped her at Trump Tower in 1993.
and this
6-Foot-1 Beauty Queen Accuses Trump of Grabbing Her Body Everywhere
https://www.thedailybeast.com/beatrice-keul-says-donald-trump-groped-her-at-beauty-pageant/
and this
Trump: Epstein did not introduce me to Melania
US president pushes back on Hunter Bidens claim, saying he met his wife through another person
archive link: https://archive.is/snc5u
kimbutgar
(26,750 posts)And plan to release before the 2026 midterms.
Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)chapter.
What is the deal they made with Maxwell?
Why did they make it?
What are her victims' thoughts on it?
What have been her victims' experiences as they try to be heard?
Trueblue Texan
(4,182 posts)1WorldHope
(1,848 posts)Karasu
(2,003 posts)BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)Torchlight
(6,279 posts)JMCKUSICK
(5,013 posts)1WorldHope
(1,848 posts)So what did America do about it? They re-elected the rapist POS.
Virginia Giuffre couldn't go on and she committed suicide this spring. How fucking sad is that?
Its difficult, but we have to wrap our heads around the fact that this is nothing new. Rape is as old as time. The more power you have the more you rape. But, men don't need to have actual power to rape. But they seek it out to make them feel more powerful.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm starting to lose what little naive hope I had. We slip a little more backwards everyday and he and his crew of really powerful ugly men and women are working at lightning speed to end any semblance of equality and compassion we thought we built up over our life times. I fear we are just a bunch of circus poodles jumping through what ever hoops the clowns present.
yobrault1
(197 posts)of the iceberg. It seems for you to be in the old school elites, (ooold money, think way back like the 18 & 19th century elites, like used to own slaves old) whose legacy will be that of complete and utter disdain for humanity and their quest to be the shepherd of illusion, deceit and debauchery. My point? Maxwell is a product of the elite. Who were her influences? Someone from wealth doesnt just fall into sex trafficking, (to the wealthy no less), she was already accustomed to it and was able to hide in plain sight for her entire adult life. She also had a large customer base but needed product and the means to supply the demand. She also seems to believe she has done nothing wrong, how is that possible? In fact, shes using the materials they curated to blackmail all the perps. Trump wasnt just a client he was part of the operation, he provided a pipeline from his golf clubs. She doesnt believe she should be held accountable because no one else is being held accountable. Why should she be the only one punished, is her thought process. The perps are from all political stripes and include a great number of very prominent people. The only reason Trump hasnt been outed entirely is because too many of the elites are involved. All speculation on my part, of course.
Chemical Bill
(3,040 posts)I have seen several on MSNBC in the last few weeks. I don't know if any other network has paid attention.
riversedge
(79,244 posts)riversedge
(79,244 posts)watch a lot of TV news so I do not know if any have been on TV shows.
riversedge
(79,244 posts)These are women whove been let down for years, at multiple levels, by a government that was supposed to keep them safe. Their families are victims, too, since abuse sows trauma through generations.
#EpsteinTrumpFiles
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/08/politics/epstein-maxwell-survivors-analysis
Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)JoseBalow
(9,132 posts)I would never fault anyone for not wanting to either. YMMV
Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)JoseBalow
(9,132 posts)to process their trauma in whatever way benefits them best.
doc03
(38,804 posts)all sign NDAs or just too scared.
Blue Owl
(58,148 posts)IcyPeas
(24,808 posts)and some from years ago.
Scrivener7
(58,176 posts)of view have been sufficient? Recently or in years past?
IcyPeas
(24,808 posts)People are more interested in this story now. It was tamped down especially after epsteins "suicide". Trump and his cronies are doing everything they can to bury or minimize the story.
(my previous reply was aimed more at some of the posters who seemed to not know that a lot of the women have come forward publicly - unless i misinterpreted.)