OK folks he did it; Trump surprised and shocked me.

[D. Spaulding]

I never thought anything he said anymore could surprise me or be so out there that my jaw would drop, But he did it tonight. He said one of the most stupidest, ill advised, and just jaw dropping foolish things I've ever heard from him.
He's actually quoting Putin as a reliable source on the 2020 election; This is what he said on Fox after today's meeting;

“Vladimir Putin said something, one of the most interesting things,” Trump said. “He said, ‘Your election was rigged because you have mail-in voting.’ He said, ‘Mail-in voting every election. He said, ‘No country has mail-in voting. It’s impossible to have mail-in voting and have honest elections.’ And he said that to me. It was very interesting because we talked about 2020. He said, ‘You won that election by so much,’ and that’s how he got it. He said, ‘If you would’ve won, we wouldn’t have had a war.”
https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/trump-cites-putin-of-all-people-to-back-up-voter-fraud-claims-he-said-your-election-was-rigged/

I am just aghast, and I'm waiting for a country wide realization that the guy has just full out lost his mind.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Well that's the end of Mail in voting in the United States

[NJCher]

12. Oh please

Get your facts straight if you want to go around spreading your hopelessness.

The fact is that states overwhelmingly control the voting, mail-in included.

There are only a few areas where the federal government has laws, like for overseas and uniformed voting.

Saying goodbye to mail in voting shows you don’t know how our voting system works. These comments of yours almost always attribute power to trump that he doesn’t have.

Whose side are you on, anyway?

[SSJVegeta]

19. Its great that you think things like laws and norms still matter

I suppose they do to some respect. But not nearly to the degree that you are suggesting.

[MadameButterfly]

21. Republicans embraced mail-in voting in the last election

They have re-remembered that it helps them too. I'm not sure Trump's lapse due to Putin's flattery necessarily has to be followed up with action.

[SSJVegeta]

23. All his lapses are followed up by action

The only question is how far does that action go?

[MadameButterfly]

25. When he implies something, or hints at something, or says something should be a certain way

Yes, that is followed up by action. But those aren't lapses. Those are plans. He's getting us used to the idea to normalize it before proceeding.

This could have been a lapse, if it was truly raised by Putin. It might not be part of his plan.
But he will have plenty of plans lined up to rig the voting, and if he thinks mail-in voting will make it harder to rig the election, then it will go.

[SSJVegeta]

27. He has been trying to stop mail in voting since before 2020

Now that he knows how far he can go with other things and get away with it, theres no doubt in my mind he will take further steps with this. If he can remember.

[MadameButterfly]

29. I just think he backed off in 2024 on mail in voting

Someone convinced him it would help Republicans, as it had in the past.

I don't doubt that his demented brain will likely forget that logic and go back to his earlier conspiracy theory about it.

[SSJVegeta]

30. Although i dont think the goal here is to get rid of mail voting

As much as it is to get rid of all voting. He has also been clear about that for a while. Again. Our saving grace could be his ailing health.

[MadameButterfly]

31. Well yes, he might see getting rid of mail in voting as

one piece of getting rid of voting altogether. But that could motivate pro-democracy forces to get out the vote in other ways.
It will be more reliable to gerrymander and purge voting rolls, with more bomb threats on election day.

[Eliot Rosewater]

46. So glad so many of you are pushing back at the usual

“Oh they will never go that far“ nonsense

Or “but there’s laws against that“



Same people probably will tell us they won’t end gay marriage rights or abortion rights


By the way I say things in definitive ways to try to get the attention to people, unfortunately it doesn’t seem to work like:

Don’t trash Hillary or we will really be sorry

Or

MAGA is gonna go along with imprisoning or killing us (the pushback we got from that was incredible)

Yes I say things in very absolute ways with the hope of getting the attention of the people that keep saying oh they won’t do that.

Oh and yes I know voting laws are determined by the state, but didn’t we just see the department of justice announce they’re going to look into eliminating state laws that interfere with their opinion of what good government or good business is. Yes

[allegorical oracle]

50. Florida's mail-in ballots, especially from the military, have always leaned Republican.

And those votes have had historic consequences:

In the 2,000 Bush v Gore election, several rural counties received overseas military ballots. Voters' names were on the ballots, but they lacked the voter's signature.

Local election supervisors advised the Republicans in Tallahassee. Personnel were dispatched to those counties and the operatives signed those ballots. Unsigned Democrat ballots went uncounted.

This issue was largely ignored by media, other than local weeklies, because the numbers of ballots were deemed relatively insignificant -- maybe a few hundred. Plus, the election had dragged on long enough.

However, once the courts ruled and Fla's election was certified, Bush won the election by only 537 votes.

[NJCher]

35. That's laughable

I suppose you think trump is going to ban voting by mail. Do tell how he’s going to get 50 states to go along with that.

I’m waiting….

[SSJVegeta]

39. He simply thinks he can force them with intimidation, extortion, ICE, military and the Supreme Court

We haven't quite proven him otherwise yet. Have we?

As I said previously, Trump wants to end all voting and has made that clear. He has also made clear he is willing to use the power of the executive to color egregiously outside the lines in the most illegal ways possible, with some fairly significant success.

There hasn't been a ton of success yet to stop his illegality.

[NJCher]

41. "Ton of success"

Is your subjective measure.

It’s still laughable and at this point, not worthy of my engagement.

[SSJVegeta]

43. Your cynicism is both encouraging and concerning

On one hand I really want you to be right, and perhaps there is good reason to believe that. On the other hand, there are deeply concerning things happening quickly which do not seem to be getting the attention they need to in order to be prevented.

[Nittersing]

40. Well the military isn't allowed to be used for domestic policies...

And yet there they are in LA and DC!

[EdmondDantes_]

47. 5 other presidents have done that

Kennedy, Johnson, Eisenhower, and George HW Bush to quell violence and Nixon for a postal strike.

It's not unprecedented.

[Eliot Rosewater]

45. Sure, red states won't end Mail in voting if the piece of shit tells them to

or end it in districts where Democrats vote

[Norrrm]

2. Didn't Trump do mail-in/absentee voting in 2024? Was it rigged?

[MadameButterfly]

22. Yes. It's back in fashion with Republicans

I'm sure when Putin brought it up, Trump forgot, or believed, or fell for the flattery. Whether he follows up on it is a crap shoot. He knows there weren't 7 mail in ballots for anyone.

Probably Putin said those things and knows how to bamboozle Trump. Or maybe Trump just made it up, imagining that quoting Putin would somehow be extra convincing to Americans. Because he thinks we are all as impressed with Putin as he is.

We all knew that this meeting had nothing to do with diplomacy.

[Enter stage left]

3. There was mail-in voting in 2016 and 2024...

Did you lose those also?

[rubbersole]

15. Yes.

[J_William_Ryan]

4. Like Putin, Trump is an enemy of democracy.

Nothing Trump says should be shocking or surprising.

[keep_left]

5. I'm not sure that quoting Russian leaders on the matter of...

...popular elections lends any credence to the subject whatsoever!

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[D. Spaulding]

7. Exactly

and the fact it didn't occur to him that quoting a despot like Putin on elections was a very foolish idea, shows me he has just lost it and America has to wake up to that.

[MadameButterfly]

24. You would think.

Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

[Norrrm]

38. Keep counting! Gangs of New York

[usonian]

6. It's wrong when you lose. Period.

End of discussion.

[Dave Bowman]

8. "It's impossible to have mail-in voting and have honest elections."

Has there ever been a single honest election in Russia?

[MadameButterfly]

26. He's getting advice from a guy

who has done nothing but rig elections. But Trump has never understood irony.

[Demovictory9]

9. Trump..shut up about the election

[Doodley]

10. Putin manipulated Trump with business deals and BS flattery like "You won that election."

A meeting between Putin, a very smart, master-manipulator, and Trump, an insecure moron who is in awe of Putin. Of course Putin will always win.

[C_U_L8R]

11. Magats will believe anything

Because their Magathead will believe anything.

[Hornedfrog2000]

13. Told ya

They got the voter rolls, saw who does or does not vote, and then sent in votes with the names of people who never vote. This is why russia hacked our voter information but didnt do anything with it.

He is projecting again, folks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us/politics/russian-hacking-elections.html

[aggiesal]

14. For someone who only did vote by mail, Mierda47 is obviously suffering from Irony Deficientcy n/t

[Zackzzzz]

16. Really, Now

I think he made it up.
That's just too many sentences to remember.

[MadameButterfly]

28. yes, I question whether that conversation even took place

or if this is just Trump obsessing about 2020 like a murderer who got aquitted but can't stop talking about it.

He is deranged enough to think claiming that Putin agrees is actually going to support his claim.

I know Magas aren't known for their critical thinking, but I really think if they actually heard the news (instead of the Fox etc. bubble) even they would figure out that Trump has lost it.

[Kaleva]

17. In 2020, the Trump campaign promoted mail in voting

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

18. Countries with mail-in voting:

Canada
Germany
Iceland
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Poland
South Korea
Switzerland
United Kingdom

In the U.S., the following states use mail-in voting:

California
Colorado
Hawaii
Nevada
Oregon
Utah
Vermont
Washington
D.C.

You are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynihan

[Hope22]

36. Ohio mails and receives ballots by mail

If the voter requests it…….hmmmmm.

[Xavier Breath]

42. I took advantage of that during Covid and it was a fairly easy process.

It's understandable why some prefer that method. Since, though, I'm back to in person voting. I just feel better about the whole thing when doing it in person.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

49. In California, we are sent a ballot automatically.

You can mail it in or drop it off at your polling place. Of course, you can vote in person at the polling place.

[rainy]

20. The biggest eye opener is that Trump said Putin said Trump won 2020 election

And then said if you had won there would not have been a war! Wow just wow!!!!!

[MadameButterfly]

32. yeah, the war logic escapes me

Does he mean Putin's 3 day invasion would have succeeded without US help, and it would have remained a "military operataion'--or whatever it was he was calling it while it was illegal to call it a war. (Now, according to Trump, Putin is calling it a war?)

Is he claiming that somehow Putin would not have invaded because????

Does he claim this would have retroactively altered the invasion of Crimea and Donbass in 2014?

[Raven123]

33. Going back to the well to avoid EPSTEIN.

Maybe running out of new tricks

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Which also shows what a sham the "talks" were. If they were chatting about postal elections

then they were not having serious talks on Ukraine.

[NowsTheTime]

37. This BS should be ignored....Focus on posts that push back against Trump..not BS from either Putin or Trump

........it doesn't deserve our time.....
Putin has no business telling us how to run our country
......and it's just possible trump is lying

[Martin Eden]

44. It's possible Putin said no such thing

The Fascist Grifter has been know to spin lies from whole cloth.

It's also possible that Putin tossed his puppet that load of crap when the Kraznov started talking about the 2020 election, with which he is still obsessed.

Needless to say, that is an entirely inappropriate topic to raise at a summit meeting ostensibly focused on ending the war in Ukraine.

[MustBeTheBooz]

48. I will take "Conversations That Never Happened" for $250, Alex.

[doc03]

51. Hold on, he will say something even more shocking soon. nt