HE TOLD US they were rigging the election.

[Eliot Rosewater]

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And yet nobody will even talk about it, madness.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. In a few short months we have gone from celebrating diversity

And decency to celebrating hatred and bigotry, and he didn’t even actually win the election.

Largest turnout in history most donations in history biggest crowds in history, sheesh

[tritsofme]

2. This election denial nonsense is actually a malicious attack on the character of Kamala Harris.

If you believe these 2024 election conspiracy theories, you really only have two options when it comes to the reaction of Kamala Harris.

You are either arguing that she is well aware that the election was stolen from her (and us) and yet she has for whatever reason chosen not to say anything, making her complicit in a “cover-up”

Or you folks just think that Harris and her billion dollar plus campaign were just too dumb to figure out the election was “stolen” from her even though internet conspiracy mongers “figured it out” almost immediately.

This really is delusional nonsense.

[EdmondDantes_]

3. All too true.

It's strange to me that there's no recognition of this.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Clearly the person that raised the most money in history

Who had the biggest turnouts at rallies in history, who registered more new voters in history, added to the piece of shit himself admitting what they were going to do and then the obvious data.

I refuse to even read let alone respond to anyone who dismisses this out of hand.

Thank you for responding.

[EdmondDantes_]

8. Other things Trump has told us

He won the 2020 election.
He had the biggest inauguration crowd
The hurricane sharpie thing being correct.
The Boy Scouts told him he gave the greatest speech.
He didn't know about the Stormy Daniels payment.
Windmills cause cancer.
He was going to end the war in Ukraine on Day 1.

Every bit of claimed evidence that the election was stolen has been disproven. If you have new evidence that isn't a YouTube video, many of us would review. We're not the ones dismissing things out of hand. We bring evidence and reasoning to bear.

[EndlessWire]

7. What do you know?

Your characterization of a "malicious attack" on Harris' character is out of line. You offer two possibilities, and that's that for you.

Please tell me why Donald Trump was discussing our vote-by-mail customs for those who need that service with an ICC criminal with an arrest warrant fighting a vicious war with one of our allies? Putin the criminal is well versed in getting himself reelected multiple times, in killing his popular opponent, and generally knows how to conduct sham elections so he can remain a dictator. Why was Donald J. Trump discussing our elections with this bloody killer of humanity in order to take their country?

We know he DID discuss it with Putin because he so stated he did. What purpose did that serve in attempting to negotiate a ceasefire in order to win the Nobel Peace Prize? This is right in front of your face!

Every lie out of DJT's mouth, which he runs constantly against his "enemies" and anyone he thinks is crossing him, is a blow against honest elections. I think that we can't, at this point, really know who did what against Kamala's campaign. You want to rag on conspiracy people, yet we don't know what happened. It is just as probable as not that something we can't see happened.

You call it nonsense, yet what is needed is to step outside of the blinders you wear because, goodness knows, our sacred voting system couldn't possibly be breached.
Yet, I recall that the NRA sponsored Russian observers to watch our voting processes (2016). I remember the female Russian spy who was running around the US cultivating republican ties (the one who was let go eventually.)

I remember that the two women who were just doing their jobs were accused of grave malfeasance (2020). They sued, they won, they were exonerated. I remember the phone call where Donald himself begged for fake votes, threatened criminal actions, and generally attempted to subvert the 2020 election. I remember the insurrection where trump sat on his doughy big ass and watched on TV as crowds of rioters hunted for victims, erected a gallows on site, and hoped to hang VP Pence.

I remember an old man who was pushed out of his campaign (2024) by ageism when he was still on his feet, conducting the People's business just fine, until he ran into the gish gallop by a lying sack of shit who did not get stopped from that. And now he's judged because when you retire, you let down a bit. Now, he's older. It is a sin to get older in America. He was a helluva fine President.

And Kamala, who did her level best to do an entire campaign in that short period of time, including debates where every statement out of the Orange Pedo was a lie. And, now we have this monster as a pRes. And you can't know what they did to get there that time.

Except, you can see what they're doing for 2026, and ultimately 2028. And now, because his ego has swelled to enormous proportions, and because he now knows how to beat the People down, he isn't bothering to try to hide a lot of stuff. Now he's going full blown Hitler.

Except, he IS trying to hide THE EPSTEIN FILES. There is something he must hide or be defeated. But, I'm sure that it's probably just another conspiracy.

I don't think Trump won the election fair and square. But, trump did hint that we probably don't have to worry about ever voting again. Hey, but what's in a conspiracy?

Donald Trump discussed our voting process with a bloody, evil dictator, Putin, and enthusiastically announced they were in agreement about our mail-in-voting. That's a fact.

We need to finally get our heads out of our asses and fight against the fascists the same way they plan to cheat us again. Not illegally, just the same theatrics that they pull every day in order to brainwash us.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. Thank you, and for some reason when excellent data is presented by experts in their fields, it is all to be

discounted because it is on a YouTube video. If I wasnt where I am , here, I would think I was hearing from a maga operative.

[B.See]

12. I, for one, am perfectly fine with questioning the legitimacy of the Felon in Chief.

Mainly because it's what they did to Biden. RELENTLESSLY. There are maga elected lawmakers and voters who, even to this day, deny Biden's legitimacy. So FUCK THEM.

What's good for the goose, I say.

Besides which, there is far more basis for rejecting it, seeing as how they RIGGED the election in their favour, via various voter SUPPRESSION efforts, laws that allowed anyone to challenge a voter's status, via the closure and removal of polling places from minority neighborhoods, the changes to absentee and mail in voting, the infiltration of Trump acolytes as election workers, the voter intimidation and bomb threats at polling places, and the laws THEY enacted that would have allowed challenges even refusal to certify votes -

all of that and more, contributed to a rigged election, even without the issues raised in these videos.

And they aren't even trying to hide it anymore, in that they're openly plotting how to gerrymander us out of existence... as if all the rest weren't already enough.

And WITHOUT which, the 2024 outcome might very well have been different.

So they already rule via A RIGGED SYSTEM.. license enough to scream it from the rooftops, I think.

(oh, and btw, did I happen to say say, FUCK them?)

[tritsofme]

14. Nope, 2024 election denialists are maliciously attacking Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party

They either believe that Harris knows the election was stolen from her and for whatever reason chose to do and say nothing, or that she was just too dumb to figure it out.

That was a long post, but I didn’t see a third option.

[PufPuf23]

10. What is a weird stretch is to make election doubts a "malicious attack on character of Kamala Harris"

Freaky.

You apparently think many posters are too stupid to be good Democrats.

Who needs conspiracies when our political, legal and economic systems have been warped to be less than egalitarian in design?

Been wondering what posting stats are at DU because post rate and number of active posters have noticeably declined.

[tritsofme]

13. You are absolutely correct. If one actually believes these delusional conspiracy theories

their mimicry of Trump in 2020 is less than impressive.

And that is because if one really believes such a delusional conspiracy theory, one must believe that Kamala Harris is either complicit in the theft of her own election, or that she is too dumb to know it even happened.

These attacks on Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party are completely divorced from reality.

[Feel Good Inc]

11. Not just an attack on Harris - but also an attack on Shapiro, Whitmer and other Democrats...

Democrats held the governor position in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. In Michigan and Wisconsin, the Secretaries of State were also Democratic (one who's running for governor - Michigan - right now). In Pennsylvania, the Secretary of State (well Commonwealth) is a Republican - but one who literally fought Trump's fraud charges in 2020.

All these people either had to be in on it - or woefully incompetent to not see it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

19. Welcome to DU

[Chemical Bill]

15. Nice straw man...

Put words in my mouth, then argue against what I am not saying. I don't buy either of your choices.

[tritsofme]

17. You also don't present a third option, because there isn't one.

If you are a 2024 election denier, you must necessarily believe that Harris knows the election was stolen and has for whatever reason chosen to remain silent and be “complicit” in the “cover-up”

Or that she is just completely oblivious and was too dumb to figure it out.

It is a good demonstration of how delusional these conspiracy theories are.

[Chemical Bill]

24. There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

But facts are not dependent on you or I believing them. If a hand counted recount of all the paper ballots showed no fraud, oh, wait, states have already destroyed paper ballots. So I guess there is nothing you can show me to convince me that vote totals were not altered. Just like I can't show you proof that Vice President Harris actually won.

But what VP Harris thinks is not of any concern to me. And it doesn't alter the fact that statistical evidence points to a possibility that votes were altered.

BTW, I can think of at least two other reasons that she might have for not demanding a recount. I wasn't there, I can't say what went through her mind. I refuse to argue over your speculation about what I "must necessarily" think, other than to say you are certainly wrong about me.

[questionseverything]

27. Ballots have to be preserved for 22 months according to federal law

Not that laws mean anything anymore

[Chemical Bill]

32. I stand corrected.

I am not hopeful that I will see hand counted recounts to prove anyone correct.

[Blue Full Moon]

20. Actually not true at all. They admitted to it.

[tritsofme]

22. So why do you suppose real experts like Marc Elias don't buy into this silliness?

Kamala Harris, the one who supposedly had the election “stolen” from her, isn’t a believer in this nonsense either.

Insisting it was stolen is an absolutely vicious attack the character of Kamala Harris.

Far past time for folks to leave these delusions behind and rejoin the reality based community.

[Blue Full Moon]

23. Jim Baker that was on the voting commission did.

Insider manipulation was definitely considered a problem. The no votes in precincts was mentioned also. The Mesa County election official who gave her pass card to Mike Lindell's man got jail time. But the story didn't cover the real problem. They said it was to prove the big lie. Lindell bought a program for the EVMs to hack. That one man wasn't all of them.
The example that Jim Baker used should have sent up red flares. It was trump, 106 counts of money laundering to Russians using slot machines. The slot machines use the same platform as the EVMs. Another curious fact is Ivanka securing EVMs before the election. That would include the programs. Musk telling India's election official that any device can be hacked. Trump thanked Musk with help with PA EVMs specifically the beautiful counting computers. The republicans always tell what they are doing or going to do. The Big Lie was projection. Used to load Lindell's program.

[WarGamer]

25. thank you. Yes these conspiracy theories are tiresome.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. Part 2

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[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Part 3

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[Kid Berwyn]

16. You don't want to be called a "conspiracy theorist."

Doesn’t matter that every thing happening to destroy the Constitution today is the result of a conspiracy of traitors going back to the turds who wanted to overthrow FDR.

[Blue Full Moon]

21. Conspiracies are real

[bluestarone]

18. I just to chime in here. I honestly feel like you do, that SOMETHING happened unexplainable PERIOD. BUT

Like i was told, if Marc Elias, our most trusted Democrat say it's impossible, then what can we do about OUR beliefs? I've gotta trust Marc. I personally was wanting to do recounts in certain races, where WE fully control everything in THAT state. ( i would have finally felt they were right and move on to election 2026) Today, i have bad feelings about 2026. ( i just do) THAT election is our LAST opportunity to stop them, IF they are fucking us around)

[questionseverything]

26. Elias is a lawyer not a computer programmer

Why would he know about hacking and stuff?

[bluestarone]

30. Well, plus the fact that a lot of our members here that i count on

Say Marc is the BEST. He wouldn't let TSF get away with it. (like i said though, i'm uncomfortable about 2026)

[questionseverything]

31. Elias can't see what is happening inside a computer program any more than any human being can

Hand counting paper ballots in full public view is the

Only way

Any human being can be sure of the vote count

[yellow dahlia]

35. I, along with a few others, was jumping up and down demanding paper ballot hand recounts,

after the 2024 election.

We can all speculate why they weren't requested. We can wonder why so many towed the "we don't want to be like them" line. There is data that raises a lot of questions. Without the recounts, there will always be unanswered questions...

[questionseverything]

36. To have a true democracy, an open, transparent count is necessary

[MichMan]

28. Do you usually believe what he says?

I don't

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. Jesus Christ people watch the videos, all three of them before you

Make fun of me
Sigh

Remind me of some of us saying here a few years ago that he was a traitor that it was going to be a dictatorship that the courts were going to be completely compromised the Supreme Court was gonna do anything he told them to etc. etc.

And how full of shit we were according to many

[EdmondDantes_]

33. I didn't watch 4.5 hours of a comedian's youtube videos, but I went directly to the Election Truth Alliance's website

That way I can see their evidence from the source and not spend that time watching videos when I can read faster. And that's who the videos was taking the evidence from.

Take their evidence of California. The disparity between mail in votes and in person votes isn't evidence of cheating. It's known that Republicans have vilified that form of voting. In 2020 when Biden won and in the lead up to the 2024 election there was plenty of talk about the red mirage in that comes from many states counting mail in votes last.

Still in California, they offer no evidence why Trump doing better in higher turn out precincts in one county is evidence of fraud. What happens in other counties, what's the history of that county in previous elections? It's supposition, but without context what they are stating isn't evidence. It's just not. Also of note, they don't link to the where they got the data for California and

North Carolina they don't even do that, it's just claims that voting machines are hackable, but again without context that there are security precautions put in place and talking about things from 2010.

Nevada they talk about drop off voting where the same party down ticket race has a higher drop off for one party than the other but then admit there are plenty of good reasons for that. They also talk about a difference in vote share between mail in and in person voting (including early votes), but again, that's already explainable by the long history of Trump claiming that's fraud. I have not gone over the CVR data yet that they say shows a change in vote pattern after 250 votes tabulated on a machine. But their scatterpoint graphs for this section don't use the same x axis values so the scale is drastically off making it sketchy at best. Adding to that is they provide the data for 2020 and it shows a similar issue but at 600 votes instead of 250. Maybe that's evidence of fraud, but maybe it's evidence of difference in voting styles. 2 elections, especially when 1 is 2020 with all the issues of covid, not a great comparison of data points.

Pennsylvania again with the difference in mail in and election day in person voting which isn't evidence. Then there's various stuff about Elon's stupid petitions and payoffs, but there's no way to connect that to actual votes so it's a distraction at best. Then there's the bomb threats, but they focus on those preventing counting but without evidence of how. And a high percentage of machine failures without providing anything to demonstrate that. What's a high percentage? How did it impact voters?

There's nothing there that I would consider evidence. It's at best theories but again without context and without anything to show why their claims have merit. In fact in 2020, Republicans were making similar claims that because mail in voting favored Democrats, it was fraudulent. Trump himself claimed that data analysis showed tons of votes were changed. Just because someone says data analysis or shows a graph doesn't make it true. Assertions need supporting evidence and context. Election Truth Alliance doesn't provide much of that. The only time they link to the

[Eliot Rosewater]

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