So many of us are going to die, myself probably certainly my family members

[Eliot Rosewater]

And we’ve yet to hear one admission of regret about the way people talked about our 2016 candidate leading to the situation where millions decided not to vote at all, certainly hundreds of thousands.

[Skittles]

1. they'll never own it

totally full of BS, UGH

[Oopsie Daisy]

2. For those BS-filled individuals, my contempt for them burns hotter than the heat of a millions suns.

And, although there has been no expression of regret from those who promoted the "undecided" and the "leave it blank" movement ... at least one of them has been laying low and keeping away from reporters. The other one seems to have forgotten all about his treacherous endorsement of the anti-Harris "leave it blank" movement.

But, silence and avoidance is not the same as expressing regret or giving a sincere apology, is it?

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. I may not be up on the assholes who did it to Kamala

Can you be more specific or if you are afraid to can you PM me please.

[Vogon_Glory]

4. I have no respect for the cretin non-voters or third party-voters' decisions to stay home or vote for some crank, but

while I'll try to bridle my tongue in casual conversation, I'll have not qualms about making them squirm with guilt if I find opportunities to remind them of the damage they inflicted not only on the country, but people around the world. IMO, there was no excuse for any thoughtful, caring person to sit on the sidelines when the Democratic presidential candidate was facing Donald John Trump.

I'm a Baby Boomer. I suspect that it's probable that I'll be dead ten to fifteen years from now. But the non-voters of my age cohort and younger ones deserve the scorn that their peers and heritors will heap on their heads for what they helped do to them..

And in my opinion, they'll richly deserve it.

[womanofthehills]

16. However- according to a YouGov poll

There were 19 million voters who voted for Biden on 2020 - but not in 2024 -

29% - top reason given - US support for Israel’s war in Gaza.

Remember when Trump lied and called himself the peace president?

I think if Kamala spoke more of peace, she would have won.

[mcar]

5. The "conscience" voters crowd will never admit

their wrongdoing. Ever.

I'd still like for one of them to tell me why Jill Stein is qualified to be president.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Or why it was OK to trash Hillary nonstop knowing that this could happen

[mcar]

7. They told us SCOTUS didn't matter

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. Yeah because there's no way they would ever overturn Roe v Wade anyway

[mcar]

9. Right?

Again, they will never admit their perfidy.

[betsuni]

11. Both Sides people thought it wouldn't matter.

In fact, since "establishment" was corrupt and evil and Trump wasn't establishment, he should be given the benefit of the doubt and might even be more progressive, just like the Democratic nominee was more dangerous than Trump.

[thought crime]

10. Doesn't help to blame "coalition partners"

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For the record, I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I happily voted for Kamala Harris in 2024. I have never voted for a republican at any level.

But, I think we should try to understand the despair many people feel about a voting system that often presents a choice between the lesser of two evils, between bad and worse, between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum. We should not be surprised when many voters fail to see a difference between tweedle-dee and tweedle-doom.

We like to think that we are capable of critical thinking and advanced reasoning. That means we need to understand the weakness of the system itself and not just label people (voters) as good or bad. The system has failed. It's broken. It will continue to fail at least 50% of the time. At a time of collapse of mainstream media, when we face massive right wing propaganda, conspiracy theories, far right podcasters, the manosphere, broligarchs, and micro-plastics probably clogging our brains, simply blaming certain groups at the center, left of center, or left doesn't really help.

The challenge in a two party system is to build and maintain an informal coalition before the election. If some group "on the left" isn't turning out in high enough numbers, then the Democratic Party must come up with a strategy to "recapture" that group, without alienating some other group. And we must throw more wedge issues (like Epstein, Tariffs as "New Taxes", etc.) at the other side to weaken their coalition.

[Kaleva]

12. Climate change may take some

[BWdem4life]

13. ...

[mr715]

14. Eh?

Kinda rude

[BWdem4life]

15. I get tired of the same old thing

from this poster and others.

Exactly how many DUers do they think voted for Jill Stein in 2016? Out of that number, given that there was a big purge / exodus once Hillary secured the nomination, how many are still here? Any?

And if they got their long-awaited apology, what would that change?

So, I say: Please call the wahmbulance for them.

DU should be focused on the future, not the past.

P.S. Since we appear to be, once again, reliving the past, here's an excerpt from a post-election article from that time period:

Time to blame those idealistic third-party voters? Not quite. Obviously, not all Stein and Johnson voters were disaffected Democrats — some would have voted for Trump, written in candidates, or not voted at all.

This is very different from Florida in 2000, where only a small fraction of Florida voters for Nader — about half of a percent — would have needed to vote Gore to give Gore the election.

And that’s what exit polling that asked people how they would have voted in a two-party race — with the third option of not voting — finds. Under that scenario she would have won Michigan, still lost Florida, and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would have been a 48 to 48 percent toss-up. Clinton would have needed to win both of those states to reach 270 electoral votes. So even in the artificial world of that exit poll that erased Stein and Johnson, Clinton seemed likely to lose.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13576798/jill-stein-third-party-donald-trump-win

[mr715]

21. I understand your position and appreciate your perspective nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. The good thing about folks like that is it reminds us we have the jury ignore list

Some folks will never take responsibility.


By the way as most of us know, there is absolutely no debate about how many hundreds of thousands or millions of people decided not to vote at all or vote but not vote for president because of the bashing and trashing from a certain group on the left. Fox News and the Heritage foundation real bashed her for 25 years and then that certain group picked up in 2016 and we are seeing the result right now.

I guess they just can’t admit when they are wrong,

To accuse us of WHINING 😡 yeah I tend to get annoyed when people end my democracy because someone wouldn’t guarantee them Medicare for all or someone one time gave a speech to rich people.

[Eliot Rosewater]

20. I should add I guess if I knew in my gut that I knew I was responsible

As were others who acted as I did for the end of democracy in the United States I’d have a hard time apologizing or admitting it also.

Actually no I wouldn’t.

[RandiFan1290]

17. I blame the 'PUMA' racists.

[betsuni]

18. Still extremely damaging: the strongly worded lie that Democrats ignore the working class, ignore

economic policy, follow the same economic policies as Republicans (unregulated privatization) and cannot be progressive because bribed and corrupted by wealthy donors, PACs, corporations, billionaires, lobbyists, (and the latest addition to the lie, oligarchs).

Use words with lots of syllables: Oligarchs, establishment, neoliberalism, capitalism, revolution, democratic socialism, empiricism (and it's supposedly Democrats who sound like elite out-of-touch professors! no, Democrats use words they know the meaning of). Never explain anything, leave it vague and passive-aggressive, like who and what the American working class is. Distort and lie about the history of the Democratic Party like blaming them for the nice white rural Trump voters "economic anxiety," never ever have any detailed policy plans -- all emotion, no thinking.

So much BS from ten years ago still being used to lie about Democrats in 2025 and next election. Fight the dark side.