We need to get serious about dishonest cops

[moniss]

whether they are local, state or Federal. Mandatory Brady Lists nationwide that would track officers bad behavior such as excessive force, dishonesty in court, domestic violence, drug convictions, evidence/witness tampering, filing false reports etc. should all be tracked across all levels and jurisdictions nationwide. These lists should be open and available to the public. Currently the country is a mishmash regarding Brady Lists with some having them and some not at all.

I will go a step further and say that this information is not only imperative to have in court but it is vital for the person being stopped along the road on a traffic stop, being questioned in any investigation or encountering such an officer on duty in any scenario. Therefore to that end I would propose that officers found to have infractions for dishonesty be required to have a prominent yellow patch sewn on the front and back of their uniforms to alert citizens they are dealing with an officer whose statements and actions will not necessarily be truthful. Likewise if the officer has been found to have used excessive force, convicted of domestic violence or convicted of other offenses involving violence then they must have a red patch attached to their uniform to alert citizens that the officer has a history of unwarranted violence.

So yellow patches to indicate to citizens to be extra cautious around that officer because of proven dishonesty and red patches to warn a citizen about the very real danger of interacting or being in the vicinity with an officer with a known history of loss of control and use of violence.

Yes I know all of the screams from the police unions etc. will come. But like they say to citizens all the time "Why are you refusing to comply? Do you have something to hide? Why don't you just comply?"

Here is an article about Brady Lists in Wisconsin.

https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2024/nov/1/wisconsin-district-attorneys-police-brady-lists-often-secret-incomplete-or-nonexistent/

[WarGamer]

1. I'd support that...

The cop who beats down people in Oregon shouldn't get a job in Idaho. Or at a minimum the citizens should know.

[moniss]

2. Also if they do try to get hired someplace else

the citizens should be told about this behavior before the hiring decision is made and the local representative body such as a city council, town board etc. should get to veto that hire if they choose.

[RockRaven]

3. The bad cop problem is about to get worse. Cops are rolling out the use of AI to write reports.

So if you think cops already file bullshit reports with canned language/magic words to justify whatever they did and railroad their victims in a mockery of justice... Well, they are just getting warmed up.

[Melon]

4. How about yellow stars?

Thus is all just…I don’t even know. We need police. If you’ve never called the police for help you are in the minority. They are in a high risk profession with a high number of fanatical people that don’t like them. And you want to further stigmatize the profession when the reality is that it’s becoming very hard to recruit cops in most communities. If they are bad cops, they get identified and charged with the crime. Most areas will not hire a cop with a conviction, especially one that involves their job.

His many doctors make errors that cause harm to patients every year? Cause death. Nurses?
Teachers that are horrible. Should they all get yellow badges?

[moniss]

6. Perhaps but if you have lived in poor and or minority

communities you know about crooked cops mainly when it's too late. As far as if they are bad they will be taken care of the country is full of examples off cops that went on with their crooked and often violent behavior for years and years and some now get caught and punished because of cell phone video and dash cams but it is ludicrous to say bad cops always get caught out. Flip off the body cam and do what they want if nobody has a cell recording going.

Teachers that are horrible aren't likely to be a risk to taking my freedom or my life. Yes doctors and nurses who habitually make horrible mistakes that cause death and harm to patients should be made apparent to prospective patients. You apparently are fortunate enough to have never been screwed over by a dishonest cop, beaten by a cop out of control or had a doctor nearly take your life because of incompetence. Good for you. Not so good for millions of others.

I can speak from personal experience about a surgeon with a bad drinking problem, known to his associates and medical staff, who nearly killed me as a child. Do you think my parents would have liked to know that he was a drunk so that they could choose someone else? But in your world nobody should know and it is "patient or citizen beware you are on your own and the bad behavior of the professionals is to be kept from you at all costs because people don't want to be held to standards and accountability inn hiring and practice".

[Melon]

9. I've lived in those communities.

And when we had less policing(which the community pushed for), things got really bad.

Communities are losing the ability to attract officers.

[moniss]

14. So in your estimation a whole bunch of bad cops on the street

is OK and better than having a reduced force and all good cops working with the community rather than treating the community as the enemy.

[cpamomfromtexas]

5. How about they never work in law enforcement ever again?

[moniss]

7. That would be an option and I am not opposed. nt

[GenThePerservering]

8. They need to be DQ'd from "serving" ever again

this has been a problem since I was a little kid in Rizzo's Philadelphia.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

10. And, something should be done about the honest-ish cops. ...

... The ones who would not commit crimes, but will not report crime committed by other cops, because, "courtesy".

These enablers don't help at all.

[electric_blue68]

11. Um... not always about "courtesy". How about fear for their own families by vengeful cops.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. lol what

Likewise if the officer has been found to have used excessive force, convicted of domestic violence or convicted of other offenses involving violence then they must have a red patch attached to their uniform to alert citizens that the officer has a history of unwarranted violence.

How many patches does a cop get? Do you think putting patches on a uniform will make a cop stop being a cop?

[moniss]

13. That's not really the point. The point is to inform a citizen

when they see a cop. It will have a deterrent effect also because I'm reasonably sure, along with other efforts like getting rid of qualified immunity, that no cop wants to have the red tag for example on display everywhere they go. So I do believe that some of them will tone down their inclination to always escalate to use of force.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

15. .

The point is to inform a citizen when they see a cop.

What does a citizen do with that information?

It will have a deterrent effect also because I'm reasonably sure...that no cop wants to have the red tag for example on display everywhere they go.

What data gives you this impression?

So I do believe that some of them will tone down their inclination to always escalate to use of force.

This is the whole point of the system. Why would a patch "tone it down"?