Is it fair to say that nothing new was announced in the White House today?

[muriel_volestrangler]

I can see some DU "this is outrageous!!!" commentary, but not anything actually saying what was talked about. Looking through the Guardian's live blog, the summary is "nothing, just vague 'we'll look at more things' stuff".

Well, the optics of this initial meeting were far friendlier than the last time these people were all in the Oval Office together, and Zelenskyy and the other European leaders will no doubt be very pleased with how suit-gate was handled, for example – heck, there was even laughing at times.

But despite this lightheartedness, there were some worrying developments for Kyiv. Perhaps most key was Trump’s assertion that he’s decided he doesn’t need a ceasefire after all in order to negotiate a peace deal, after spending months demanding one from Russia and threatening sanctions and “severe consequences” if it didn’t comply. Things have clearly changed after his Alaska summit with Putin, who knows the US president wants more than anything a quick end to the war and has played this up to his advantage.

But there were glimmers of hope for Kyiv, notably Trump saying the US would give Ukraine “very good protection”, though he remained uncommitted on what level of specific security guarantees the US is willing to support, for instance whether its involvement would include an Article 5-style defence commitment.

Whether Trump can now be convinced once again by Zelenskyy and the Europeans that the onus is on Russia to end its war, and not on Ukraine to give up territory, in order to achieve peace remains to be seen.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/aug/18/ukraine-war-live-update-russia-zelenskyy-washington-trump-europe-meeting-talks-latest-news?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-68a370828f0839af25d76a48#block-68a370828f0839af25d76a48

Can anyone add anything concrete about any proposals - what Trump thinks Ukraine has to give up, a change in Ukraine's position, that sort of thing?

[JustAnotherGen]

1. I just need someone to alert me

If there is another presser but with the EU/NATO leaders.

[Ping Tung]

2. i managed to watch about 5 minutes of it before I shut off the usual bragging, threats, and whining drove me off.

That 5 minutes was the longest my stomach ever endured him.

[Mossfern]

3. As usual with Trump

It was all about him.
I want my half hour back.
Zelenskyy has incredible of self control.

I would have been making silly faces.

[leftstreet]

4. Massive waste of jet fuel n/t

[allegorical oracle]

5. Unless their further meeting makes some concrete decision, it will appear to

be a "meet and greet." The only tangible I witnessed occurred when Zelensky said that no election can be held in Ukraine when the country's at war. Hope he didn't give our golden boy any new ideas.