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rogerashton

(3,960 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2025, 05:33 PM Aug 2025

Putin doesn't just 20% of Ukraine. He is demanding it all. Recall he said

in 2024 that Zelenskyy is not a "satisfactory" executive of Unkraine and so ineligible to sign an agreement. That means that a regime change is necessary before Putin will sign anything, and that the new executive must be satisfactory to Putin. That is, Putin would agree to a truce or peace only after a Russian puppet government is established over Ukraine. Then Russia has it all: 20% or so incorporated into the Russian Federation, the rest ruled by Russia through its puppet.

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Putin doesn't just 20% of Ukraine. He is demanding it all. Recall he said (Original Post) rogerashton Aug 2025 OP
Putin is passive-aggressive. He is trying for a creeping takeover of it all, with eventual full-scale slaughters. John1956PA Aug 2025 #1
Putin is punishing Ukrainian men, women, children because HIS puppet was not elected & Zelenskyy was Attilatheblond Aug 2025 #2
The Rolling Stones said it best customerserviceguy Aug 2025 #3
He won't stop there. He's going after the Baltics next. Nt spooky3 Aug 2025 #4
If I were Lithuania rogerashton Aug 2025 #6
Fuck both and join NATO. rickyhall Aug 2025 #5
Non Starter JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #7
"You have to understand, George. Ukraine is not even a country." Kid Berwyn Aug 2025 #8

John1956PA

(5,119 posts)
1. Putin is passive-aggressive. He is trying for a creeping takeover of it all, with eventual full-scale slaughters.
Mon Aug 18, 2025, 05:39 PM
Aug 2025

Attilatheblond

(9,236 posts)
2. Putin is punishing Ukrainian men, women, children because HIS puppet was not elected & Zelenskyy was
Mon Aug 18, 2025, 05:40 PM
Aug 2025

Putin is not targeting military targets, he is targeting civilian homes and job locations. He is punishing THE PEOPLE for daring to replace HIS pick with a man who serves the people.

Trump is punishing the people of the US for turning him out of office in Nov of 2020. He's not bombing us, but he has put thugs on our streets to harm, maim, kidnap Americans. How much further will he go to hurt Americans who dared to not love him like he demands? The only limits are the people around him who may or may not do his criminal bidding.

Not much difference between Putin and Trump when you distill it down.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
3. The Rolling Stones said it best
Mon Aug 18, 2025, 05:43 PM
Aug 2025

You can't always get what you want. That goes for both sides of every conflict.

rogerashton

(3,960 posts)
6. If I were Lithuania
Tue Aug 19, 2025, 06:26 AM
Aug 2025

I would be very worried. Step 1 will be demand a strip of territory to connect to the Kaliningrad Oblast.

JustAnotherGen

(38,109 posts)
7. Non Starter
Tue Aug 19, 2025, 06:45 AM
Aug 2025
That means that a regime change is necessary before Putin will sign anything, and that the new executive must be satisfactory to Putin


Nope - he gets nothing but his own death.

Kid Berwyn

(25,091 posts)
8. "You have to understand, George. Ukraine is not even a country."
Tue Aug 19, 2025, 09:40 AM
Aug 2025

The words of Pooty Poot, whispered to the guy who had gazed into his soul, pretzeldent George w Bush.



What the West doesn't understand about Russia or Ukraine

Alexander Nazaryan·Senior White House Correspondent
Yahoo, Wed, February 23, 2022

“You have to understand, George. Ukraine is not even a country.”

Those were the jarring — and, it would turn out, prescient — words uttered by Russian strongman Vladimir Putin in 2008, during a meeting with then-President George W. Bush. It was an unambiguous assertion of ownership over a sovereign nation, an assertion that has particular resonance 14 years later, as Putin has just recognized the independence of two Ukrainian regions and sent troops to bolster Russian-backed separatists.

The West is outraged by Putin’s current aggression, as well as by the logic for his seemingly inevitable full-scale invasion. “Who in the Lord’s name does Putin think gives him the right to declare new so-called countries on territory that belonged to his neighbors?” wondered President Biden in remarks delivered from the White House on Tuesday.

Such outrage, however, ignores a complex and uncomfortable truth: Many Russians recognize Putin’s sentiments about Ukraine as largely in keeping with established beliefs about the relationship between the nuclear superpower and its much smaller neighbor, which has a similar language and culture. That may explain why many Russians support military action against Ukraine, which they see as a necessary response to Western meddling.

“America badly wants to start this war,” an elderly Muscovite told the New York Times, citing — as Putin has — the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe as a prime reason for the current conflict. Ukraine isn’t currently eligible for membership, but Russians have watched carefully as the Western alliance has crept ever closer throughout the last two decades.

Having grown up in the Soviet Union in the 1980s, I can safely say that most Russians view Ukraine as part of Russia. It is impossible to speak for a nation of 144 million people, especially long after leaving. However, the Russian view of geopolitics and history has, paradoxically, become more assertively nationalistic than it was during the Soviet era, when it tellingly embraced Joseph Stalin as a model leader.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/what-the-west-doesnt-understand-about-russia-or-ukraine-215609030.html

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