Would you ever forgive anyone that voted for Trump? Under any circumstances?

[USS_Dauntless]

I sure as hell wouldn't.

In my book, all Trump supporters deserve is laughter, mockery and scorn. Oh, sure. A lot of them might regret their vote, like this couple.

https://www.theroot.com/trump-voting-couple-gets-stopped-by-border-patrol-now-2000056380

But regret is not the same as remorse. They only "regret" it because it affects them. They could not care less if the Orange Thing's policies hurt, disenfranchise, marginalize or kill someone else. MAGA is simply pathological selfishness in the form of a political ideology.

Empathy is a sin in the disgusting world that is MAGA.

Trump is a rapist and pedophile.

[elleng]

1. No, but won't talk to them,

as their related (by marriage, so have to be careful.)

[Silent Type]

2. A young voter, maybe, if they wise up. Truthfully, if someone realizes and corrects their error

I’d be OK with that too. But I’m with you on anyone still supporting the POS.

[Wifes husband]

3. No. Never

[ImNotGod]

4. I have written those idiots out of my life forever so no need to forgive anyone I will have nothing to do with. nt

[Blue-Gill1972]

5. Rebooting Democratic Strategies

We as Democrats have the Constitutional obligation like any other American to uphold civil rights. In order to live up to our promises, our party must also reach Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, and the like by winning their confidence.

Using inclusive language which does not sound like we are accusing people of being bigoted or narrow minded is the key. The Democrats have been a pillar of protecting diversity and inclusion. However, many conservatives felt turned of or rejected by allegations of racism and discrimination. These are some of the reasons they turned to Trump and his allies.

Getting rid of such labels and brands will help conservatives to feel like their voice is accepted. Democrats must also change their tune from their past and present agendas. Researching and understanding the needs of American people is crucial. Addressing common concerns such as economic prosperity, rebuilding communities, strong national security, and the like will recruit more conservatives that Trump has alienated. Including conservative views will help appeal to those who are angry at the Trump administration as well.

[USS_Dauntless]

8. I don't accept conservatives

or their hate.

[niyad]

24. ohhhhh, pooooor widdddle consies and their hurt feelings. They ARE

racists, they do discriminate racially, sexually, monetarily, etc., etc.. FUCK THEM for the hell they have created. I will never pretend that they are not the sick, twisted, hate-filled monsters that they are.

I will be asking them the same question I asked that gutless sycophant colin powell, when he finally apologized for the yellowcake lies, and sandra day o'connor for her "bush v gore" vote, "How are you going to bring back the dead?" That is just for starters.

[mwmisses4289]

53. No. No more.

We have been attempting to do this for 40+ years now, and keep getting kicked in the teeth everytime we try to reach out to these anti americans. Time to stop hitting our head against a brick wall, and say eff them.

[stopdiggin]

6. "under ANY circumstances .." - - constitutes a very, very large statement, and considerable territory

maybe rephrase .. ?

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[USS_Dauntless]

10. I'd consider it IF

They expressed genuine remorse for all the harm their vote caused to other people and not just themselves. But after all these years, I doubt that's gonna happen often.

[LeftInTX]

7. I think my daughter voted for him.

What can I do?
She's got three babies that we help out with.
Her husband is a tech bro and they both voted on election day.

I heard her complaining about Trump the other day, so maybe she regrets her decision.

I didn't ask who she voted for, but she made a disparaging comment about Kamala. I don't think she intended to vote, but I think her husband dragged her to the polls because of the tech thing.

Hubby voted for Trump in 2016. (Abortion issue) We almost got divorced over it. A few months later, he totally, totally, regretted his vote. He hasn't voted for a Republican since.

[H2O Man]

9. Depends.

[halobeam]

22. I feel that way too.

For me, if they are extremists, then no. If they carry a respectful debate with me, then I see it as an opportunity to make valid points (ie., where's FEMA?, or woman's rights, do they have daughters they're worried about?, what about tarrifs and skyrocketing prices.. do they not vote their pocketbook at the polls?

They need to hear these burdens they now are facing. Wouldn't they feel understood? No one will listen if they're being put down, disowned, etc. There are many Americans living paycheck to paycheck, have women they truly love, kids they want to have Healthcare for. There's a boatload of non-voters, and NON-extremists wanting representation. Especially now that the truth is in what they are seeing/living, not just hearing the opposite on the airwaves.

I'm not aware of another way to reach these type of Americans. I figure, why wouldn't I take the chance in conversation. Sure, we would lose some along the way, but we won't lose them all. They might actually hear a voice reflecting the reality they are living in, perhaps change their vote this time around, or vote the next election instead of sitting out.

[Intractable]

11. It's not always that "Trump is so great." A lot of them were taught from birth that liberals and Democrats are evil.

I have known a lot of people who would never vote for Democrats no matter what.

[B.See]

12. An important tenet of the

Catholic faith is the forgiveness of sin. That being said, NO.

Frankly I doubt they want forgiveness, or even believe they've done anything they need to be forgiven for. Seems they fairly REVEL in their willful ignorance, narrow-minded hate and malicious cruelty.

So, nope.

[Boomerproud]

32. Exactly. I don't hear anyone asking for forgiveness.

nt

[Retrograde]

49. So is atonement

which is why a person is given a penance - even if it is a small, token one, after Confession. The person confessing must also be sincere in wanting to atone, even though, human nature being what it is, they're likely to sin again in the future.

That said, I can forgive people who voted for him in 2016, who may have confused his television persona with reality. Those who voted for him in 2024 - no, no way. I'm not inclined to forgive the willfully ignorant.

[B.See]

64. Nor am I.

[SSJVegeta]

13. Kinda like asking "would you ever forgive somebody who shot you point blank in the gut after shooting himself first?"

I mean. Yeah. If we survive. But I will constantly be wondering why they did something so stupid in the first place.

[Trueblue1968]

14. I have .... My sister. Dont dare tell me to hate my sister. She is all i have left.

[Tree Lady]

15. My older daughter is republican

Only votes that way to keep her taxes down, nothing rest of family says changes her mind but I love her and will never give up on my children no matter how stupid they act.

Besides voting for T she is kind and loving to all and is into yoga and hiking like me. If it wasn't for the other managers where she works and her boyfriend she wouldn't have been talked into him.

[USS_Dauntless]

18. Is she completely

blind to the kind of person DJT is? I'm genuinely curious how anyone with an empathetic bone in their body can vote for someone totally devoid of it.

[Tree Lady]

47. I find most republicans think Trump

Is putting on a act and not really the way he is, they think he didn't really do the things we know he did.

I know to us it seems crazy.

[USS_Dauntless]

50. That makes my brain hurt.

For fuck's sake. 🤦‍♂️

[USS_Dauntless]

16. Where did I tell you to hate your sister?

[Trueblue1968]

17. Whatever.

[HarryM]

19. No and it wouldn't be the first time

I have been dissociating with people who voted for evil since the days of Ronnie Rat Raygun.
Plenty of folks have become dead to me because of their political beliefs.

[Skittles]

20. the first time, MAYBE, I don't know

but AGAIN? WHAT THE FUCK WITH WRONG WITH THESE FUCKING PEOPLE???

[brush]

21. A one time trump voter who now know the error of their way, but a two or three time trump voter...

Never. Get away from me.

[Buddyzbuddy]

23. Nope. 2016 iffy. But 2025 not only people voting for him.

But, those dems and independents that chose not to vote. That was as good as a vote for the Felon. They too, get no quarter or forgiveness. Only disdain and disgust.

[niyad]

25. I would ask them exactly what they are doing to fix the horror they helped

to create, how they will bring back the dead, just for starters.

[samplegirl]

26. It's really tough

neighbors on both sides. My brother. The list goes on and on.

[niyad]

28. I know how fortunate I am. No family, but good friends, neighbors who

do not discuss politics, and only one whack job (the conspiracy theories were hilariously insane) to whom I have not even spoken in well over a year. And I live in a saner part of my city, away from most of the magat scum.

[NJCher]

29. I wish this had been a poll

So I could join that big NO bar.

They failed at a basic citizen duty.

Not that hard to perform responsibly.

So hell no.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

30. No

[Buns_of_Fire]

31. I forgive. I do not forget. nt

[Irish_Dem]

33. No. I will never forgive them for what they have done.

[CTyankee]

34. Unfortunately, the assistant on one of my projects is religiously insane.

I don't talk politics with him. He does his job well and that's that. Since I never ask, I can't assume he voted for anybody. He was recommended to me by a very liberal Dem who also works with him.

[FoxNewsSucks]

35. No. Not likely

[Emile]

36. After the insurrection and 34 felonies, HELL NO!

[no_hypocrisy]

37. It depends. In my sister's case, no. Will never forgive her.

Not only did she vote for Trump, but she voted for him because her close friend persuaded her to do that. She didn't know anything about Trump, and didn't care about the issues in 2016. And she was going to vote for Hillary initially because "Trump scared" her. Then flip-flop: "Hillary scared" her.

And I don't care that she voted in New York State and that state went to Hillary for the Electoral College.

Just the fact that she voted blind. I would have forgiven her for NOT voting in 2016.

[SkylineChili]

38. Nope.

I always shake my head in bewilderment when people say, "My son-daughter-friend-cousin-neighbor (fill in the blank) is the kindest, sweetest, most wonderful person, blah, blah, blah, and voted for Trump." I want to ask, are they sentient beings at all? Do they have even an ounce of empathy or concern for ANYONE other than themselves? Do they walk through life oblivious to...literally everything?

Kind, empathetic, and Trump supporter is an oxymoron, emphasis on the moron.

[frogstar0]

39. Yes, and you should too.

We need converts not enemies . Yes it is infuriating. Yes I too think how could anyone support anyone like TACO. But we need to remember they are in a cult. They have been lured into it over time and taught that they are special and have special knowledge and everyone else is liars and evil. Cults have alway had smart people seduced into them, not all are dumb. They have alway files holes that people have in their lives. They have alway take real issues, and used them to suck in people and over time taken control and in essence brainwash them. We need to see them as having a mental illness and work over time to help them cure themselves. Especially our families and friends who have been sucked in.

Yes I want to scream at them “How can you bee so stupid?” Etc. But I want to save our country and its democracy more. And cutting them off, blocking them, insulting, name calling does not help. It took a long time for the cult to suck them in and it will take a long time to help them remove themselves. And converts are often the most energetic in thier opposition to the cult, and most able to convert others.

So please do not tell me it is impossible or that they will never listen etc. We need to do all we can to convert not condemn. We are in a fight for our country. And yes some will never change, never admit they were wrong foolish etc. But remember one convert is a gain of two votes. They are our fellow Americans, they are our fellow humans. And as hard as it is we do need to treat them as we would like to be treated. And it does not matter how they treat you or others. It matters how we act. And for both moral ( it is the right thing to do) and practical ( we need as many supporters/votes as possible) we need to welcome converts.

[PCB66]

40. My Brother in Law is MAGA

You know what I hear from him the most?

"This is what I voted for".

[SkylineChili]

48. Yep. This.

The people I know who voted for Trump are pleased with what is happening. "This is what I voted for." The other thing I hear is, "Promises made. Promises kept." All hail Trump. I think it's cute that people think you can "reason" with Trumpers or "convince" them with history or facts.

[Orrex]

41. A Trump voter who "regrets" their vote for him would likely vote for him again

Failing that, they'd vote for the next most Trump-like Republican they can find on the ballot.

Until they abandon that thinking and turn away from Republican policies and candidates forever, they are still Trump voters and have not earned forgiveness.

Fuck every last one of them. That includes family, friends, and coworkers.

[sunflowerseed]

42. Currently not speaking to both my parents.

We are all old,

[Torchlight]

43. If the remorse is sincere and desire for absolution real, sure.

I don't think I've seen that happen though.

[Paladin]

44. Not a chance. Close friends and relatives included.

I'd advise everybody else to do the same. Payback for trump whores is way overdue.

[Johonny]

45. No, he was already president

The racism, the dictatorship, the fraud, the lack of respect, the desire to loot . ..

Trump has no good qualities. He was the worst president in American history. That someone like Joe Rogan could actively support him and pretend not to see the fraud, the racism, the sexism, the lack of respect for America . . . Fuck all Trump voters. They hate America, period. And they're going to lose America.

[hatrack]

46. No, never, under any circumstances . . .

The. End.

[GreenWave]

51. Already have! He died and daughter said take what you want from his outdoor stuff!

[LoisB]

52. No.

[Tom Rinaldo]

54. Yes, if I was convinced they were sincere and that they felt remorse.

Sneering at an honest apology does nothing to help our cause, and if anything would make it less likely for someone, who realizes that they made a mistake, to take further steps toward real enlightenment.

So yes, I would accept that apology. However it would take much more than an apology for them to win my trust, or even respect

[Mysterian]

55. Trump is far beyond the pale of someone who could be considered a good leader for a country

Anyone who voted for him is either racist or very stupid, so I don't associate with that type of person anyway.

[Maru Kitteh]

56. I have to. They're all over my family, all over my place of work and community.

And so I take it on a case-by-case basis. Every day. To do otherwise would be harmful to myself, and I’m not going to give hime that power, too.

Forgive does not mean forget or excuse, by the way.

[haele]

57. Forgiveness is separated from love or hate...

You can - or can't - forgive someone and still love them or choose to associate with them.
There are people I can't forgive, or trust again. I don't give them a benefit of a doubt. I know they don't really care, either -so long as they're comfortable.
But whether or not I choose to associate with them is complex, and if I choose to associate with them, it's on my terms and for my benefit, not theirs.
We are here creatures at heart. Even the selfish jerks among us crave family and community, even if it's just for a feeling of protection and acceptance, or to take advantage of a group in some sort of dominance move.
One can hate and care for someone at the same time, just as one can love and care for someone.

Apathy is the opposite of love, not hate. Im pretty sure I can still care for someone I can't forgive. I've observed that happen to a lot of abused people over the years.

[mr715]

58. Yes

It is important to have the capacity forgive, for the person doing the forgiving.

I'd never vote for them. But I can see myself 'forgiving' them a vote or two for Trump

[ITAL]

59. Yeah

My grandparents are both quite elderly and I still love them dearly. Yet, I will never understand why two people who consistently seemed to be on the left side of things when I was very young (I'm petty sure both voted Mondale) are now such GOP partisans. Grandpa (Korean War veteran, quickly approaching a century) was even especially mortified by Trump's covid response. I'm not sure he even voted for Trump in 2020 (I know he did in 2016) and after January 6th I know he said he was done with Trump.

When push came to shove though, Grandpa still voted for Trump last year though.

[biocube]

60. Some people here are completely blind to the faults of the Democratic party leadership...

I don't want to do both-sides-ism because the right-wing media bubbles are much, much worse. But too many people here live in your own bubble that filters out any criticism of Democrats from the left. You probably think the overwhelming majority of Democrats that don't approve of party leadership "aren't real Democrats".

If Democrats had run on a new-deal platform in 2024 they would've boat-raced Trump, but instead you chase votes of the 5000 conservatives who are anti-Trump.

[Dave says]

61. Simply no!

[electric_blue68]

63. Welp... there may be 2 people (relatives) that I love that did vote the first time for him....

Don't know about 2024.

I live, I guess, with the cognitive dissonance of not forgiving them for tnat - yet loving them still.
They now live down South, only a rare chance they'll visit for the Holidays.

[OldBaldy1701E]

65. Yep. I have no sympathy for these people.

(None at all. Members of my own family had better be ready should I be around them. I do not plan to hold back. I also plan to avoid them all because I don't want their tainted stench to stain my good vibes.)

[Kaleva]

66. Have they asked for forgiveness?

[LoveSucky]

67. If they no longer support him or the GOP and vote democrat. Sure

[Midwestern Democrat]

68. Well, in the region I live in, at least 80% of my friends, associates, and extended family voted for him.

Even if I lived in some liberal bubble and never encountered a Trump voter, I could never see myself hating people for simply having different political views - most people aren't all that intellectual - their political views very often are simply shaped by what they grew up with or their surrounding culture.

[PCB66]

69. I live in a pollitically diverse neighborhood

I live in a subdivision neighborhood in a Tampa bedroom community. We have all kinds of voters. Every kind from hardcore gun nut MAGAs to Liberal college professors. It is probably 55% Republican to 45% Democrat. Racial makeup is about 70% White, 20% Hispanic and 10% Black.

We all get along pretty well. Look after each other. Help each other. Have block parties. Share resources after hurricanes. Look after each other's kids. Very cohesive neighborhood.

Never heard any political arguments or shunning because of politics among the neighbors. Even during the election period. Just yard signs and bumper stickers.

In my extended family we have considerable political diversity. We all think that family love trumps political discourse. We all know where each other stand but it has never been a source of problems at family get togethers.