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Celerity

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Tue Aug 19, 2025, 12:43 PM Aug 2025

What the Economy Really Looks Like



https://prospect.org/economy/2025-08-19-what-us-economy-really-looks-like/



The Trump administration’s war on reality will make it meaningfully difficult to understand the health of the economy in the coming months. If data is either not being collected or is no longer reliable, now that Trump has fired the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics as punishment for weak jobs numbers, it’s hard not to succumb to bias or motivated reasoning, on either side of the political divide. So before we get murkier radio signals, we need to assess the numbers we have now, to inform the trends for the future.

Most of this picture is mixed and influenced by a bunch of different factors. But we can say one thing definitively: Hiring has been relatively dormant since Trump took the oath of office. Only 597,000 jobs have been added in the first seven months of the year, a 44 percent drop from the first seven months of 2024, as former Biden economist Heather Boushey notes. The year has seen low hiring and a low quit rate, as people hunker down in the jobs they have. There are fewer entry-level positions and Americans aren’t moving very much for work. That’s a housing story but it’s also a job security story, and the expectations are even worse: The University of Michigan survey shows expectations for a higher unemployment rate next year at the highest level since the Great Recession.

Maybe artificial intelligence is playing a role here, though concluding that for sure seems premature. Or maybe the behavior of the ill-fated Department of Government Efficiency is filtering down to corporate boardrooms. But the most likely reason for sluggish hiring is the tremendous uncertainty from the tariff announcements, regulatory policy, and Trumpian wild cards. An economy based on individual whim is not one where businesses can plan for the future; indeed, 37,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost since the “Liberation Day” tariff announcement in April, and the subsequent flurry of trade adjustments. I think you can see the consequences of uncertainty come forward in the explosion in corporate stock buybacks; that’s a sign of retrenchment, where money that could be deployed or invested is instead pushed out to shareholders. No wonder markets are near all-time highs while ordinary workers feel miserable.



The only area where this investment retrenchment and uncertainty is not in evidence comes from the insane capital expenditures for AI computing power, which is propping up the economy almost by itself. That’s why municipal pushback to data centers will be one of the more fascinating developments of the next few years. And it’s why we should pay a lot of attention to whether AI is a viable business, whether its gains are accelerating or stagnating, and whether too much of this capacity deployment is on spec and fated to cause a crash. (AI is creating other economic problems, but we’ll touch on those later.)

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What the Economy Really Looks Like (Original Post) Celerity Aug 2025 OP
War on reality Bayard Aug 2025 #1
Excellent article. sinkingfeeling Aug 2025 #2
Yes. Sounds similar to the Ezra Klein interview posted at NYT. A lot of bad ideas and actions that creates wiggs Aug 2025 #3
Yet MAGA Mblaze Aug 2025 #4
They can't. Harker Aug 2025 #5
Trump doesn't believe in Mblaze Aug 2025 #6
True. Catch and disappear, maybe. Harker Aug 2025 #7
Catch and kill. Bluepinky Aug 2025 #8

wiggs

(8,851 posts)
3. Yes. Sounds similar to the Ezra Klein interview posted at NYT. A lot of bad ideas and actions that creates
Tue Aug 19, 2025, 02:50 PM
Aug 2025

potential for poor outcomes, along with small potential for decent outcomes for some at the expense of others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/16/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-natasha-sarin.html

Took an economy and world order that was doing well and scrambled all the cards. What is certain is that a few will make a lot of money. The rest of us...?

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