Do Any Democrats Besides Newsom Understand What Magats Are Doing?

[gab13by13]

Yeah, I get it, they understand that they are rigging the vote for the House.

Do they understand that Magats are using AI to gerrymander the state to make it impossible for Democrats to ever win the state?
Do they understand that Missouri will do the same, that Florida and other states are looking at it?

Of the 11 most gerrymandered states, 10 of them favor Republicans.

Are the other Democratic states that could do what California is doing counting on California to make up the difference? California is polling +22 to do the gerrymander. Hey Newsom, don't just gerrymander for 5 seats if you can get more. Hey Newsom, use AI to help.

This is why the Democratic party is polling so low. We are in a gun fight and we should not be leaving some guns at home.

Do Democrats understand that Magats are working to make voting irrelevant? I don't have to vote for my state Rep ever, the Magat wins 6-1 every election. Some years I have to write in the Democrat. That's what Magats are doing right now.

Do Democratic leaders understand that once autocracy gets entrenched it can't be removed by voting because the system will be rigged, just like it is rigged in Russia.

Finally, do Democrats understand that there are 1.5 million more Democrats registered in Texas than Magats. Texas will have 2 black voting districts, Missouri will have 1. Yeah I know, GOTV and if we lose it's our fault.

Even after they gerrymander they are going to cut back on voting machines in blue districts. How many people will be willing to wait 5 or 6 hours to vote?

Rant off.

[Lovie777]

1. Yes.....................

[gab13by13]

2. I am replying to my own post because I am pissed,

What Texas is doing used to be illegal until the fascist Chief Justice Roberts gutted the Voting Rights Act.

How many people are aware that in order to cut Democratic Reps one new district in the Texas map runs from Austin 500 miles to the north through rural Texas to offset the urban votes. Whoever wins that new district will have to travel 500 miles to speak with his/her constituents.

[mvd]

4. It's just crazy

Do you think the legal challenges will hold up? If it goes to the Supreme Court I certainly don’t trust them. Good thing CA did what they did.

[Trueblue1968]

105. Every Blue State should gerrymander as many seats as possible. 15 to 20 seats !!! CA, NY, WA, OR .. All of them

[Chasstev365]

3. Paging Colorado, Illinois, New York, and any other Blue State where it's possible:

Start planning NOW! Republicans changed the rules and Democrats need to be ruthless!

[mopinko]

6. illinois will follow suit.

dems have a big majority in the state house.

[Tribetime]

28. I listen to the Colorado Governor it doesn't sound like he's willing to do it

[Aepps22]

54. He Can't Without Constitutional Amendment

In Colorado our constitution prevents mid decade redrawing of districts. Polis can say what he wants but even if we wanted an amendment to the constitution it would go into effect after the midterms

[popsdenver]

93. In my opinion

he is pretty much a DINO, and now that he is lame duck, he is definitely leaning more "Corporate" with almost everything.............

[BlueKota]

76. Pretty sure Hochul is already working on it

[CousinIT]

89. Hochul said she could do nothing until after 2026. Nt

[BlueKota]

92. Damn

[Hornedfrog2000]

5. When we burn it all down

Abbot should be pushed into a bonfire.

[EnergizedLib]

41. He should be emptied from his wheelchair

And onto the ground.

[markodochartaigh]

45. You realize that the

Republicans are "burning it all down" and are pushing Democratic politicians "into the bonfire", right?

[Hornedfrog2000]

99. Eh, sure?

Yeah, i guess both sides are equal here comrade.

[LudwigPastorius]

98. Sew him up in a bear skin, like the...

ending of Midsommer.

[Arazi]

7. Yes. Pritzker (IL) and Hochul (NY) both said they'd re-district if TX did

Since they’re the other Dem governors that get on the news the most, they’re on record.

I presume the other states will similarly re-draw.

It’s so fucking stupid and a further erosion of our democracy

[sheshe2]

57. MA won't...

All nine of our districts are blue. It is also good to note that we haven't sent a Republican to the House for 31 years.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

60. Yay!

[ReRe]

103. Lucky you! n/t

[IbogaProject]

102. Ny might take a few elections to make the change

I read there needs to be two votes in different years in NY.

[SSJVegeta]

8. I dont think its actually possible to make it impossible for a party to win back control solely through gerrymandering

Only because people change their minds and change dramatically over not much time.

[yardwork]

12. That hasn't happened in NC.

People vote for the party they perceive to be winners. Many rural NC counties that used to be reliably Democratic are now deep red, with no Democratic candidates at all.

This is the result of gerrymandering. It destroys democracy.

[gab13by13]

13. Yup, back in the 70's 80's

we had a Democratic and a Republican Rep ride in the same car on the 4th of July parade.

Fast forward and I have had to write in Democratic Reps for my district. The Magat Rep, Glenn Thompson is awful, all he does is drink oil and breathe methane and gets fossil fuel money but he gets elected 6-1.

[ihaveaquestion]

15. UMMM - it's definitely possible

[EdmondDantes_]

40. Short term yes, but longer term as the other poster noted, public opinion changes

It's hard to predict how that will change over time.

[ihaveaquestion]

43. Short term matters... we need to win the next few elections and then we can worry about the long term.

[SSJVegeta]

83. Unless you tap into something deeper than partisan loyalty

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Like food insecurity and the people's basic physical wellbeing.

If Democrats (like Republcians have already done to an extent) can do that to the maximum level possible, these gerrymanders will be the world's biggest dummymanders.

[Kingofalldems]

9. Why are you attacking Democrats?

[gab13by13]

14. Am I?

I want Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer to hold a press conference. I want them to encourage every democratically controlled state to gerrymander to the max until our nation returns to a bipartisan commission to draw maps.

I want my party to survive.

Democratic voters understand what's going on, they are protesting and attending town halls and ready to fight fascism. We need marching orders. Our voters want to do more than donate money for campaign ads, the time will come later to do that.

Project 2025 is ahead of schedule, once we become a Dictatorship there is no easy way back.

[Kingofalldems]

30. Ah yes you are.

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I am pretty sick of it.

[awesomerwb1]

36. Then stop "fucking" reading her threads

[EdmondDantes_]

42. Are people not allowed to respond if they disagree?

That just leads to isolated echo chambers.

[awesomerwb1]

47. If you have an intelligent thought to add to the conversation

of course. But just to complain they don't like the thread using foul language serves no purpose.

[Kingofalldems]

48. Okay, I took the language out.

Am I alright now?

[awesomerwb1]

55. Are you? Sounded like you blew a gasket there champ

[Crunchy Frog]

90. I didn't see any disagreement. Just an accusation.

[Kingofalldems]

46. Plenty of those and most with the same theme.

[Kingofalldems]

63. Here's an idea: Don't read my posts.

Okay 'champ'?

[awesomerwb1]

65. Careful careful. You already blew 1 gasket

[Kingofalldems]

74. No one blew any gasket.

[EYESORE 9001]

61. All fucking day

Every fucking day

[Kingofalldems]

62. Yep---it is not just this post.

"Trump is unstoppable." "Trump is a genius."

Then: "Democrats are weak."

[EYESORE 9001]

66. Hadn't delved that deep

I’ll start paying closer attention. Despair is like a wet fucking blanket - and so are those who attempt to afflict others with hopelessness.

[murielm99]

101. You are.

The Democrats are doing something right and you still find a way to be critical. What are you doing, you personally, other than griping on a message board? This is not aimed just at you, but at all the critics here, many of them with low post counts.

[DET]

29. Oh For God's Sake

She is not attacking Democrats. This gets so tiresome.

[betsuni]

32. Constantly attacking leadership as stupid, incompetent, corrupt, both sides, don't fight, weak, etc.,

while insisting The People need to be given marching orders and told what to do by leadership.

Um.

[yardwork]

10. North Carolina was horribly gerrymandered in 2010.

Despite winning in court, Democrats lost even more seats in the latest atrocious redistricting. Once the state legislature grabbed the majority they just kept cutting back on democracy.

This is being replicated across the nation because it works. Republicans are stealing our democracy in order to get rich.

[NoMoreRepugs]

11. Timid high road Democrats need to move back and let the fighters lead

or we are looking at decades of Fascist/Totalitarian rule.

[Arazi]

20. Oh dear, David Hogg got ostracized for saying that

Replacing timid safe-seat Dems with Dem fighters is frowned on here and in establishment Dem circles

[awesomerwb1]

38. Hogg is an immature "throw the toys out of the pram"

if he doesn't get his way type of person.

Some of his tweets in the past were nasty attacks on Dems. There are much more talented and eloquent young Dems than him out there who are smart enough to understand how to navigate this two party system.

I am not a progressive (a lot of them voted Trump bc their candidate lost), and I'm not "establishment" either. I believe both Jeffries and Schumer aren't capable/strong enough to lead the party in these trying times.

[Karasu]

91. Any progressive who voted for Trump for ANY reason is not a progressive...or even liberal, for that matter.

[bagimin]

104. Or sane. n/t

[Emile]

16. I'm glad Newsom is calling them out!

[Bob_in_VA]

17. Question

Maryland is often listed as a "most gerrymandered" state. Have any of you who repeat that statement ever actually looked at the Congressional District map of Maryland? 8 districts, one along the Eastern Shore; one that comprises the western part of the state, the part between WV and PA and six fairly compact districts between DC and Baltimore. If you have never done that, do it today. Then look at the maps of the ten "most gerrymandered" states run by Republicans. In Texas alone there is a CD that snakes through what looks like a 200 mile long corridor through western and central Texas plus many other districts where it's clear that the dictate that districts should be compact is ignored. While I haven't made a study of it, I'm sure that the other Republican gerrymandered states have similar shaped districts, ones meant to deny Democrats a fair shot at getting elected.

[Oopsie Daisy]

18. So does this mean that you're the ONLY one who gets it?

Is this post meant to suggest that Democratic leadership are just too DUMB or too IGNORANT or too NAIVE to "understand" what's going on? Or is the suggestion that Democratic leadership just doesn't care and that they are too stupid to comprehend all the things which are so obvious that even a child could understand?

Michael Moore, needs to be looking over his shoulder about right now. It looks like he's got some competition.
😘🙄😜

[betsuni]

35. I think the plot is that Democrats have been beholden to big money for so long that all they

do is Ignore The People, count their bribes in secret Big Money rooms while sipping champagne cocktails and nibbling canapes wearing furs and diamonds with their Republican pals and don't have a clue how government works or what's going on and don't care. Then there's a yelling revolution inspired by strongly worded rallies in the last part of the story. Poorly written romance...

[lees1975]

19. There are a few. Like Governor Pritzker.

Illinois is aiming to redistrict District 11, which is +11 Republican, to make it about +5 Democrat by moving some more rural turf into District 20, and taking some heavily Democratic precincts from 6 and 7, where there's actually been some population growth. That will leave us with basically just two districts in the red, rural areas. But, even small metro areas in Illinois run ten points more Democratic than Republican, and the rural population is only about 17% of the total.

[MichMan]

21. There is no registration by party in Texas

"Finally, do Democrats understand that there are 1.5 million more Democrats registered in Texas than Magats"

Maybe they don't understand it because it isn't true. I don't know why people keep claiming there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. If it was, how do you explain how Republicans win all the statewide races.

[ananda]

23. Yes there is. I'm a registered Democrat in Texas.

...

[MichMan]

25. I stand corrected

How does party affiliation work in Texas?

In Texas, there are several main ways for a voter to affiliate with a party: by being accepted to vote in a party’s primary election, by taking the required oath at a party precinct convention, or by taking a party oath of affiliation generally (§§162.003, 162.006, 162.007). A voter’s affiliation with a party automatically expires at the end of each calendar year, which is December 31. (§162.010). A voter who has affiliated themselves with a party is ineligible to participate in the party affairs of another party during the same calendar year. (§§162.012, 162.013).

If a voter has not voted in a party primary or taken an oath of affiliation with a party this calendar year, they have not yet affiliated with any party. If a voter has not yet affiliated with a party, they are able to vote in either party’s primary election. However, if a voter votes in the primary of one party, they will only be able to vote in that party’s primary runoff election. (§§162.012, 162.013). After being affiliated with a party, a voter is not able to change or cancel their party affiliation until the end of the calendar year. (§162.010).

Do I have to register or affiliate with a party before I vote in the primary?

No. A registered voter is not required to pre-register or take any steps towards affiliating themselves with a party before voting in a party’s primary election. (§162.003). Additionally, when a person registers to vote in Texas, they do not register with any kind of party affiliation.

https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/advisory2022-11.shtml

[ananda]

27. It basically works in primaries.

I'm not sure you actually are required to register, though.

[MichMan]

34. According to the link I posted, it is optional

A registered voter is not required to pre-register or take any steps towards affiliating themselves with a party before voting in a party’s primary election. (§162.003). Additionally, when a person registers to vote in Texas, they do not register with any kind of party affiliation.

Anyone not registered for either party can choose whatever primary ballot they desire on election day.

Seems like the only "benefit" of registering is to pick which party you want to add you to their mailing list and to solicit donations.

[ananda]

69. Yeah, so you can register, but you don't have to.

Good

[LeftInTX]

67. This is only a minority of Democrats! Precinct chairs and delegates affiliate with the party for two years.

It's part of the "job" requirement.

It's not anywhere on our voter registration record!

I'm a precinct chair and fill out the oath of affiliation when I file.

The GOP is not gonna look at lists of precinct chairs when they draw maps..LOL! Not are the gonna draw into delegate databases..LOL

They looked at general election results. They also put people who don't vote into their districts.

[ananda]

22. Exactly right. If we don't do something NOW...

we will never win another important election.

[betsuni]

24. Democrat-bashing rule: Never give them the benefit of the doubt, assume out-of-touch stupidity or bad motivations.

Do Democrats understand ____ ?
Why didn't Democrats stop ____ ?
Where are the Democrats?

And the point is?

[Kid Berwyn]

26. The point is to correct actions that lose elections.

If we don’t bring them up before the NEXT election, we will lose again. Like clockwork.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. Add in

"White Working Class Men are where it's at" and it's a succinct summation.

[betsuni]

50. The definition of working class in that dictionary is always and only white working class men who shower

at the end of the day in hard hats as an old-fashioned idealized working class does. Solidarity. You don't count if you take a shower in the morning with your fancy Identity Politics Body Soap.

[JustAnotherGen]

51. The irony is

THEY are the one who play Identity Politics.

They are the ones demanding special entitlements because they are working class white men.

They will never ever get onboard with anything that encourages equality for ALL in their socioeconomic group.

[Oopsie Daisy]

53. Or... also assume: corruption, collusion, senility. It's always the same things over and over.

No matter where I go online, there's anti-Democrat and anti-Democratic party script or playbook that everyone seems to be copying-and-pasting from.

The point, you asked about... since no solutions or ideas are offered, I can only assume that the point is virtue signaling. The kind of shit that Michael Moore is famous for. Naysayer and soothsayer... always predicting the worst, and if it happens he boasts "told-ya-so!" And, if it doesn't happen, he boasts "thank goodness the Democrats heeded my wise warnings". --- It's always the same repetitive BS that we've come to expect. It's so tiresome.

[betsuni]

68. And Democrats are supposedly the ones talking down to people, condescending, not listening, elitists!

But OK to punch down, call Democrats stupid, dummies who have no idea what's going on, no plans, no policies, no message, no integrity, mindless puppets of oligarchs and corporate shills and on and on. The bashers are so very concerned that if they turn their backs for one second, Democrats will turn into Republicans so they must scream insults at them all the time.

Poor Michael Moore. haven't heard much from him. I'm afraid he'll be even angrier at Democrats because his prediction that Harris would win was wrong and he missed out on lots and lots of TV appearances.

[Oopsie Daisy]

78. The less I see of that SOB, the better. He and his BS nonstop worn-out smears of Democrats *

* sound like a cracked record. His only political agenda and goals are to monetize HIMSELF and to profit, no matter what damage he causes. He and Nina Turner and that other guy whose name escapes me right now, they're all cut from the same ratty piece of burlap flour sack cloth. Oh! I remember now... Cornel West, that's the one!

[betsuni]

80. Nina Turner's "Biden's-half-a-bowl-of-shit" and the DNC "tried to seduce [Our Revolution] with donuts and water"

comments I'll always remember, and I can't think of Cornel West without the word milquetoast popping into my head because he said it all the time. If I had an Institute, I'd be embarrassed to have those two as Fellows (Tulsi Gabbard quietly vanishing eventually). At least MM isn't nutty yet.

[Oopsie Daisy]

81. Apparently it's a great way to rake in the dough from folks who are willing to part with $27 at at time...

... but, I guess it keeps the lights on and the water running.

[Oopsie Daisy]

82. It just amazes me how many "fans" and "followers" she had here. For all her popularity ...

... she certainly turned and betrayed the Democratic party very quickly. I wonder if her loudest fans also feel betrayed by her.

[betsuni]

96. One wonders about poor judgement, falling so easily for phonies, mindlessly believing someone just because they call

themselves something.

Like a politician with a long career of getting progressive things done trashed as corrupt establishment Republican lite and a politician with a long career of not getting things done hailed as the progressive gatekeeper who yells "None shall pass" except to the special few like Nina Turner, Cornel West, Tulsi Gabbard.

Now that everybody knows Tulsi's not at all a progressive or Democrat or anything on the Left, she doesn't bother spending a lot of time bashing Democrats -- that only makes potential Democratic voters cynical and apathetic if attacks appear to come from the left.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

59. It's exhausting

[rampartd]

31. dems need to gerrymander them on to reservations

by overgerrymandering. their "safe" majority districts become easier to flip

they are using the results of trump vs harris to make a few assumptions that may not play without dear leader on the ticket..

[Clouds Passing]

33. NM already is, only 3 seats but 3 D seats.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. Yes they do -

Definitely at the State Government level which manages and controls elections.

I know for a FACT NJ legislators are very aware and trying to figure out how we can game the system.

And I hate to have to write something like that - but we're all on our own here. We have to engage in mass noncompliance.

We can break them. That I do believe.

Here's a hint - Rep Crockett through Gabriel Arce - a man who has written her scurrilous racist and sexist emails. Two years ago a Demcoratic Rep would not have Named Names of citizens who launch verbal and written threatening attacks at them.

She's just opened another door to demeaning the magapub voter.

Newsom has his thing - it works WONDERFULLY for him.
Crockett has HER thing - and that's the one every single Black Female Democratic Legislator across the country should use.

[timms139]

39. Democrats low polls

are from within the party . It shows from recent polls and that those low polling numbers are Democrats who don't like certain policies. The polls also show tha Republicans shouldn't place their bets on those voters because the poll shows they will not vote for Republicans. This again shows that this low means nothing while the same polls show Democrats with a 5 point advantage in the upcominmg midterms at this point.

[CanonRay]

52. If then it is time to leave. we no longer have a representative republic

Then it is time to leave.

[intrepidity]

85. Leave? And go where, exactly?

Many of us simply do not have that as an option at all.

[CanonRay]

86. Not individuals, states.

I don't want to live under a totalitarian regime

[intrepidity]

87. Oh, yeah, hell yeah. nt

[usonian]

56. It's so clever that nobody sees it.

If the Extreme Court rules against Gerrymandering, it will stop the red states from doing it, and that has been their modus operandi for ages. Q.E.D.

If the Extreme Court upholds Gerrymandering, then big, big, UUGE blue states like CA get the 🛤️ clear track to do it.

[Karasu]

88. They're going to have a hell of a time bending over to justify why TX can do it and CA can't. Hell, CA is even putting

their redistricting to a vote, which is more than the fascists in Texas can say.

[usonian]

94. I believe that the vote is needed because it requires a constitutional amendment.

That said, I'm all in.

[Kaleva]

64. There is some false info in your OP

Texas is one of many states where voters don’t register their party affiliation

[ananda]

70. Democrats veered to the right after Reagan was elected.

Guess what? Joe Biden was one of them.

I really disliked him for a long, long time.

This led to Dems caving and letting the vote go
uncounted in 2000.

Dems playing nice, going Republican lite... that
has led us to where we are now.

[niyad]

72. Sooo. . only the Dems are responsible for the horrors we are facing

today? The pukes, the media, the reichwing crazies did nothing to orchestrate this? The plans and attacks they have been working on for the last 50 years have nothing to do with the mess? Am I understanding your post correctly? What positions did President Biden take that you disliked so much, and why?

[ananda]

73. I didn't say that. But it explains why they are not liberal fighters.

Except for a few who now call themselves progressives.

[niyad]

75. Funny, that seems to be exactly what your last sentence in that post said.

And your sentences here do not explain anything, nor did you answer my questions about your statements on President Biden. But do keep trying. I am finding this fascinating.

[betsuni]

95. How did Biden veer to the right?

[W_HAMILTON]

71. You seem to have quite a bit of advice to give Democrats -- why don't you run for that seat?

[RockRaven]

77. Not enough, no. And this has been a problem for over a decade now.

[Aepps22]

79. We Were Tricked

I can only speak as a Colorado voter but what I’m seeing is that the bad guys leveraged non partisan anti gerrymandering committees in advance of the fight we now have. Most states that could and should be able to counter this nonsense are usually restricted by those committees or their own laws that we supported to get rid of gerrymandering. Anti gerrymandering laws and committees only work when everyone is playing the same game.

[intrepidity]

84. I read that WA governor is planning to join this fight nt

[spanone]

97. K&R

[summer_in_TX]

100. Texas Representative Vince Price really laid it out.

He's got a piece in Time.com and there are some great videos / shorts too.

https://time.com/7310875/texass-map-racial-division/
Texas’s New Map Is Racial Division by Another Name

Here’s the blunt math on the Texas Republican proposal: under this map, my team and I estimate it would take roughly 445,000 white residents to secure one member of Congress, but about 1.4 million Latino residents and 2 million Black residents to secure the same. In effect, the political “worth” of a Latino Texan is cut to one‑third of a white Texan’s, and for Black Texans, to one‑fifth. On paper the districts are equal in population; in practice the map assigns unequal electoral weight across racial lines. This means that the value of one Latino resident’s vote is worth just one-third the value of one white resident, and a black resident is one-fifth; it would take three Latino Texans, or five Black Texans, to equal the voting power of a single white Texan.

[hildegaard28]

106. I guess

It’s a good thing AI is wrong most of the time. Only fools fully trust AI.