Bill Maher's New Rules hurt but important

[question everything]

(I am having hard time posting complete posts, they just disappear so I do it in stages and subsequent editing)

A rich man who understands what “common man” wants: efficient shower heads and flushing one’s poop.

He hated TikTok and Crypto but now love them.

No tax on tips and first time R carried Nevada.

No regulations and Silicone Valley love him

Take time, please, to read the 7 min clip that Rhiannon12866 posted

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132285764

Yes, he sends barbs Biden and Harris way but they were the ones who lost. But if you can just ignore these, there ae important ideas or 2026 and for 2028.

(This is not “bashing Democrats” but a serious look at what we should consider)

[Paladin]

2. I have no interest in the comments of a trump pimp like Maher.

Let me know if he turns up on-air, fucking himself. That I'll watch...

[Initech]

4. Watch Christopher Titus instead - he's the anti-Maher.

[imaginary girl]

5. Oh, he's already done that!

At least from my perspective...

[Bev54]

13. I agree, there is nothing he has to say that would get me to watch him.

He is so full of himself and is just another grifter saying whatever to create attention to make money. Cannot stand him, yet people keep pushing him for people to watch and listen. No thanks.

[SocialDemocrat61]

35. Minions gotta minion 😉

[Swede]

3. Maher on Newsom "He's grasped the key to America, you don't try to outsmart people, you outstupid them."

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1448440736200109

[JustAnotherGen]

6. I have zero patience

For that man.

His barbs about Biden's age apply to him.

[W_HAMILTON]

7. Correlation does not equal causation.

For as much as the Republican-biased mainstream loves to interview the everyday Trump-supporting American, how many of them have you heard say they voted for him because of his "no tax on tips?" Or his deregulation of crypto?

LOL, what a crock of shit.

[In It to Win It]

17. Do they interview many workers that rely on tips?

I don't go looking for interviews of Trump supporters but I have seen interviews before of restaurant workers saying they liked the "no tax on tips."

[W_HAMILTON]

19. Funny, most of the interviews I see of restaurant workers nowadays are how tourism has cratered...

...and their jobs are at risk because of it.

And that is entirely due to Trump's policies.

PS - Kamala also supported "no tax on tips," but I guess that's an inconvenient truth for newly alt right bro ally Maher who apparently is going to end his career bending over backwards trying -- but ultimately failing -- to justify the reasons why racist and bigots voted for Trump instead of Kamala.

[In It to Win It]

23. Sure, but that's now... after the election is over. It's what attracted people to vote for him that's the issue.

I'm sure "no tax on tips" pulled in some people. They took the bet on him first and worried about the details later.

Basically, the "no tax on tips" may have been that thing that pulled in 0.15% of people, and then embracing cypto may have pulled in another 0.10% of voters... and so on. His support among Black people improved in 2024. Sure, he lost Black people by a wide margin but in Pennsylvania and Michigan, any little percentage point he could have taken from Kamala Harris mattered. His support among young people increased.

The point is that he used these issues that mattered to a small amount of people to eek out the wins in close states, and things like "no tax on tips" and the inconvenience of taking your shoes off at the airport meant enough to a small group to bet on him to come out ahead by a few thousand votes.

To your point, of course, he's going to have the assholes, the bigots and the racists vote for him... but these little niche groups that cared about these niche issues may have put him over the top. The racists and the bigots probably aren't enough of them to put him over the top in Nevada.

[JI7]

24. It was mostly black men that are jealous of black women

Most black men did vote for Harris but compared to other Democrsts it was lower.

It had nothing to do with policies.

Support for Trump was mainly about resentment of others. That includes non whites that voted for him.

And Harris said she would suppory no tax on tips before the election.

[In It to Win It]

26. Re Harris' no tax on tips

It was too late.

The convenient conclusion that people can say is that she was copying Trump. The perception of that conclusion was not a good one.

That's not to say she was disingenuous on that position. The public perception of the timing was not in her favor.

[JI7]

29. It was mostly a non issue and an excuse to vote for a bigot

[In It to Win It]

30. So all of the new 2024 Trump voters that swung for him would have done so anyway

so there was nothing we could have done or said to get those people. They all would have just found some excuse to vote for him anyway. The increase in support among Black people, Latinos, and young people in 2024... they would have had some excuse to vote for him anyway whether it be resentment toward another group or bigotry so nothing to be done or said.

That's how I interpret you. 🤔

[JI7]

31. A younger white man or charismatic non white man like Obama

would have helped but it wouldn't have anything to do with issues.

A younger Joe Biden would have won .

[question everything]

34. Thank you for a clear explanation. We should keep these examples for future campaigns

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. If he's going to list things about Trump, and he doesn't mention 'immigration', 'race', 'LGBT', 'abortion', or 'woke'

then no, it's not "important". Because those are the kind of things that Trump voters say they like(d) about him. It's Maher trying to justify his toadying to Trump, by listing the things he likes about Trump.

And no, it's not a "serious look at what we should consider". Because we're not toadies to a rapist, unlike Maher.

[Silent Type]

9. +1. Maher is right that voters preferred trump to what we were offering. Until we accept that, we'll keep losing.

If a convicted felon, fraudster, rapist, racist/bigot, and worse A-hole wins by 1%, I wonder what he would have won by without all that baggage.

[AZProgressive]

11. Where does that lead to though?

The Democrats are a big tent party and there are a thousand different reasons why people become disaffected with the Democratic Party that they go so far to consider the Republican party. I think one of the bigger reasons was foreign policy -- there are a lot who were on the left and in the Democratic Party fooled into thinking Trump was the peace candidate. There are of course those that think the party moved too far to the right or to the left depending on who your asking.

I saw the warning signs of a rising far right nationalist movement going back to 2016 but I downplayed it. Now it is too late and we may not even have a fair & free election maybe by the midterms with Trump's BS about mail-in ballots.

[Silent Type]

12. Pretty much agree. However, too many GOPers vote by mail for trump to pull that off. And let's say he does, if

we can't get enough people to the polls maybe we deserve whatever we get.

We didn't even win the popular vote this time around.

[Feel Good Inc]

15. Then Democrats have to find a better response to the Trump offerings.

Look at Nevada. Maher mentions they voted for Trump because no tax on tips! Except the no tax on tips is a mess of rules on what qualifies that also doesn't really change The Now because these people weren't directly paying taxes on tips and instead only doing it when they filed their taxes, assuming they even counted tips.

But Trump has been devastating for Nevada. No one can afford to travel, international travel to the US has tanked and the state's economy, which is based on tourism has floundered. Now those same people relying on tips are getting less tips overall because there's less people tipping.

[In It to Win It]

16. Sure, but Nevedans didn't know what "no tax on tips" would look like

It is reasonable to assume that it would look like how it sounds.

People were willing to bet on Trump's "no tax on tips" message now (in November) and worry about the details of what it looked like later.

[Silent Type]

21. "No tax on tips" is easier to sell than trying to explain unintended consequences. Plus, VP Harris jumped on it too,

AFTER trump proposed it. Not blaming her because no one could have campaigned harder than her, but she was put in a tough situation.

I'm sorry, we should have done better.

[In It to Win It]

22. Yes, exactly. I agree

Kamala Harris, obviously, was dealt a tough hand (maybe a losing hand) from the start. I think she did the best she could have under the circumstances.

[Feel Good Inc]

33. Democrats did little to explain it. In fact, Harris also supported no tax on tips.

And after Trump came out for it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/12/politics/taxes-on-tips-eliminate-proposal-harris

[W_HAMILTON]

20. Trump is still offering everything he did before the election and yet he is already back to being hated.

Fact of the matter is voters didn't like their current situation and they blamed Democrats because they were in power at the time.

Now, just a few months after Republicans took complete control of the federal government, voters HATE their situation and they are (rightfully) blaming Trump and his MAGAts for it.

Too bad they were too stupid to listen to those of us that warned them of this in advance, but I guess some people just need to touch the hot stove to see for themselves...

[BannonsLiver]

10. Can't wait to not watch the clip.

Very excited.

[Greybnk48]

14. I despise Bill Maher. Another attention thirsty "Libertarian" man-child.

I put scare quotes around libertarian as I have yet to find a professed libertarian who can coherently define what their agreed upon tenets are that make them a "Libertarian."

[TnDem]

18. Usually, it means "Do your thing and leave me alone"

That's the macro explanation...Anti-authoritarian.

When the Democratic party fails, it's when they go down authoritarian routes...We will lose votes every time.

[JI7]

25. How much more money are people making with no tax on tips now ?

[question everything]

32. But this is the problem. We should not talk about facts and figures but images

(have to post in parts, again)

We treat the voters as intelligent informed while he uses his TV experience to send images, to use phrases.

Social media makes everything worse and is enough, as mentioned above, to make a difference in tight races.

[dem4decades]

27. I see Bill Maher, i stop reading.

[Prairie Gates]

28. Fuck Bill Maher