This is why we lose.

[usonian]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220144999
Ralph Nader says .... anything. Good morning, Can I get chocolate sprinkles on my ice cream?
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 FLAME WAR🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

For the record, I hate Ralph Nader, but I'll read what he says, because
• It might have value in the moment, and
• Fucking ChatGPT might have written it.

Fight each other and end up in concentration camps.
Fight together and we stand a chance.

My previous post:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114421
An open letter to Democratic leaders. This is our Normandy. Marshall all our forces or lose to fascist rule.
You must choose wisely.

KEEP FIGHTING EACH OTHER HERE.
TRUMP WILL NEVER DIE.

BUT YOU WILL
YOU'LL ALL LOSE AND BE SENT TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS
WHERE YOU CAN ARGUE FOR YEARS MONTHS WEEKS DAYS before you're shot by Jan6 assholes

Nothing personal, of course.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Thinking that I should read up on the Social Democratic Party of Germany

(SPD), which was the strongest and most predominant political force in the Weimar Republic until 1932. How it lost its message and control of the government by a minority party.

[SocialDemocrat61]

2. The Social Democrats tried to unite with

the German Communist party but they refused because the Social Democrats were too moderate. Sound familiar?

[W_HAMILTON]

5. "After Hitler, us!" -- Ernst Thlmann

People should read up on him and his story.

History doesn't repeat, but it certainly does rhyme...

[Jack Valentino]

6. Like the 2025 American Democratic Party being too moderate against the

GQP New American Nazi Party???

Yeah, that rings a bell, that is NOW---

[LeftInTX]

14. It's always the Democrats fault! Now Democrats are responsible for Hitler?

Trump, "I killed all the Democrats on Fifth Ave and got away with it"
Democrats who like to criticize Democrats: "It was the Democrats fault"

[SocialDemocrat61]

16. Never said it was the Democrats fault

Or in this case the Social Democrats. It was the German Communists who were so short sighted that they refused to see the threat the Nazis were because the Social Democrats weren’t pure enough, just as now some on the far left play purity games with democrats.

[LeftInTX]

17. Thanks! I feel purity politics hurt us. I'm a big tent type. Everyone is from different districts.

What works in one district, may not work in another. We have that even on city council. Although non-partisan, we know who the Democrats are. We have three who are endorsed by DSA and five who are traditional Democrats, two endorsed by the GOP.

[SocialDemocrat61]

18. Exactly

That was the problem with German Communists. They were playing purity politics just as too many due today. Democrats lost 3 presidential elections because some people played purity politics and stayed home or made a protest vote to feel morally superior to everyone else.

And you’re right what works in one district or city or state or region may not work in others. Many have a zero tolerance attitude especially if it comes to their pet issues. That’s just short sighted. The only way for democracy to work is to accept compromise. But many just want what they want and would prefer authoritarianism who agrees with them.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Stealth and Intent

When Krasnov drops dead - that's when we are in serious danger. The ChristoFascist infrastructure is going to panic and hurt people.

[Blue Full Moon]

7. That is going to be soon.

But I think that it will fall apart. Vance has no it factor. They will all claw each other. I've seen this before, but corporate style with a Trump mini-me department head.

[JustAnotherGen]

9. Exactly

They will all claw each other

Yep. And they will trigger intolerable acts against the American people to try and out do each other.

But - these weak feckless spoiled and entitled brats can be broken.

[rickyhall]

4. Ralph Often Wrong Nader

[MorrisTheHalf a Cat]

8. Appeal to young men

The old socialism thing isn't gonna cut it. You'll have to push hard to men's objectives for the left to be stronger. But can that work?

[ProfessorGAC]

10. "The Old Socialism Thing"?

What does that even mean?
Dems have been running pushing socialism? I must have missed that election or something.

[oasis]

11. Nader's conscience will be giving him an

occasional zap until his last day on Earth.

[ClimateChangeisReal]

12. Nader doesn't have a conscience

If Nader actually had a conscience he would not have run in 2000 and on a big lie. His goal was to help W and he did.

[ClimateChangeisReal]

13. What Nader says has no value

Nader helped create this nightmare and everyone knows it. Nader destroyed his credibility in 2000. For the record, Nader is NOT a progressive. Nader is a multi-millionaire who invests in the big corporations that he claims publicly that he hates and he took $5 million from the repugs for tv ads to spread his big lie that were run in crucial places like Florida. Nader is NOT one of us. Our country's Pearl Harbor/Normandy was on 12/12/00 when the anti-democracy Rehnquist 5 stopped the legal Florida vote count. Since then, our party leadership has unilaterally disarmed and our country is paying the price for it.

[usonian]

15. I detest Nader, but substitute any other name.

Who is the only president to kill and permanently disfigure civilians with nuclear weapons?

Who disgustingly interred innocent Americans based on national origin?

Should I trash the party because of them?

Living in the past is the existential problem we are facing. People trying to return slavery and our founders' love of ethnic purity.

And GRUDGES KILL DEMOCRATS.

The thugs won't offer you a cigarette before offing you.

I watch the "team spirit" as NFL prima donnas hold out. They, and too many dems would "rather be right than successful"

[ClimateChangeisReal]

19. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it

You're really desperate to drag FDR into this. Our country suffers so terribly today because of Nader and the party leadership's unilateral disarmament in 2000 and since. These are ugly truths that no one should ever forget.