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In It to Win It

(12,828 posts)
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 03:00 PM Aug 2025

Judge Xinis: Your clients are *absolutely forbidden* from removing Mr. Abrego from the continental United States.

Judge Xinis: Your clients are *absolutely forbidden* from removing Mr. Abrego from the continental United States. You understand this?

DOJ: Yes.

Joshua J. Friedman (@joshuajfriedman.com) 2025-08-25T18:14:29.849Z

Abrego attorney Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg: We've heard from our client that he is now being held in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I would request that in interim order, you order that ICE hold Abrego within 200 miles of hearing, for access to attys.

Joshua J. Friedman (@joshuajfriedman.com) 2025-08-25T18:21:39.622Z

Judge Xinis: Are you concerned he'll move tonight?

Abrego attorney: That's exactly our concern.

Judge: Mr. Ensign, can you assure court he won't be moved?

DOJ: Not authorized at this moment, but can ask client

Joshua J. Friedman (@joshuajfriedman.com) 2025-08-25T18:22:19.638Z

Judge Xinis: Then I will order that he not be moved from current detention facility, principally to have access to both criminal and habeas counsel. Clear?

DOJ: Yes.

Judge: Do you need me to put this in writing now, or will my oral pronouncement suffice?

DOJ: Oral suffices

Joshua J. Friedman (@joshuajfriedman.com) 2025-08-25T18:23:42.037Z

(Hearing ends, will hear more tomorrow at 10 a.m.)

Joshua J. Friedman (@joshuajfriedman.com) 2025-08-25T18:24:21.748Z

Xinis: And you understand there are currently two injunctions in place that prohibit his removal

Ensign: We understand that both of those prohibit removal of Abrego from US during window of those orders

Xinis: I'm taking that as officer of the court as full intent to abide by those orders...

Anna Bower (@annabower.bsky.social) 2025-08-25T18:14:01.539Z
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Judge Xinis: Your clients are *absolutely forbidden* from removing Mr. Abrego from the continental United States. (Original Post) In It to Win It Aug 2025 OP
Well, what's a little "contempt of court" charge on the DOJ? LeftInTX Aug 2025 #1
Good action by the judge. I expect the DOJ to just ignore his orders. Jim__ Aug 2025 #2
Yep. Or ICE will move him without orders from DOJ, at which point, Volaris Aug 2025 #4
He'll be gone before dweller Aug 2025 #7
Id suggest one of the remedies (after the fact) will be to Volaris Aug 2025 #8
That will never happen. The courts know that without a legislature Mr.WeRP Aug 2025 #10
Yes indeed and moniss Aug 2025 #16
Me too. The media and people in general are tiptoeing around using the "F" word because its really fucking scary Cheezoholic Aug 2025 #17
The WaPo will not allow the use of the word fascist when responding to articles. I've tried quite a few times. oberle Aug 2025 #31
Her. Paula Xinis. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2025 #27
The Judge is Too Trusting... MrWowWow Aug 2025 #3
Judge knows exactly what she is doing. Doesn't look like she cares if Trump kidnaps this guy. Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #6
What did you expect her to do? For a judge, words are literally everything. nt pnwmom Aug 2025 #18
I expect her to put this man in protective custody. Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #25
The time to do that is after they defy her order, not when they're saying they'll comply. nt pnwmom Aug 2025 #29
While she dicks around a man will be murdered. Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #30
She's not dicking around. Her order was clear and strong. nt pnwmom Aug 2025 #34
Abrego is a Lost Cause in a Lawless System MrWowWow Aug 2025 #22
Yep. Judges could not care less. Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #28
We must form a Self-Governing Blue State Coalition MrWowWow Aug 2025 #35
it is heading to an outright battle. Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #36
Or gradual capitulation quakerboy Aug 2025 #41
Yes that is the other option. Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #42
So far quakerboy Aug 2025 #43
The judges have NO ONE to affirm their power. Mr.WeRP Aug 2025 #11
Judge needs to hide Abrego from Trump's ice goons. Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #5
I agree, protective custody should be implemented n/t Cheezoholic Aug 2025 #19
How? Another judge went to jail for trying to do that. nt pnwmom Aug 2025 #20
Sad that the current U.S. DOJ - Nigrum Cattus Aug 2025 #9
Judge needs to order US Marshals to enforce it. lastlib Aug 2025 #12
The officer of the court stuff means that the DOJ attorney has his or her bar card on the line. dsc Aug 2025 #13
donnie would try to "pardon" any consequences the attorneys would face. rubbersole Aug 2025 #14
They brought him back, so they can show the world Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #15
George Conway JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #21
Deadline: Legal Blog--Judge temporarily blocks Trump from deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Uganda LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #23
If he does deport him NJCher Aug 2025 #24
off topic but, how cool of a name is XINNIS Skittles Aug 2025 #26
It's a Greek name so, ZINIS LeftInTX Aug 2025 #40
K&R UTUSN Aug 2025 #32
Federal Court, right? So F47 can pardon any contempt charges 0rganism Aug 2025 #33
the judge could charge them with civil contempt moonshinegnomie Aug 2025 #37
This is an essential battle for the soul of this country. We must win it. If we do, Abrego's name will be in every Martin68 Aug 2025 #38
Clerical error in Quanto Magnus Aug 2025 #39

Volaris

(11,796 posts)
4. Yep. Or ICE will move him without orders from DOJ, at which point,
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 03:25 PM
Aug 2025

Pam will say 'I didn't do it', and then what?
District court judges are gonna have to be done with this due deference and benefit of the doubt nonsense, and start jailing responsible parties for ignoring valid court orders.
LET trump have a whole fit, who among us really cares what he wants at this point.

I've got 20 bucks says he gets disappeared again before a jury can return a not guilty verdict

Volaris

(11,796 posts)
8. Id suggest one of the remedies (after the fact) will be to
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 03:45 PM
Aug 2025

Assign one Marshall's Office each to the Court, and to Congress, so that Branch Orders can be carried out WITHOUT the cooperation (or interference) of the Executive.

 

Mr.WeRP

(1,098 posts)
10. That will never happen. The courts know that without a legislature
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 04:05 PM
Aug 2025

To hold Trump accountable, he will do what he wants and suffer no consequences.

We are in a fascist state at the moment. The only way out is a Congress that can impeach and convict Trump while blocking anything he needs to ensure his power. And Trump intends to use the military to win the next midterm.

moniss

(9,150 posts)
16. Yes indeed and
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 04:59 PM
Aug 2025

I'm amazed at the number of people who continue to accept the BS line that the deployment of the military in cities is because supposedly the fascists care about black people getting shot etc. It's about gaining experience and knowledge for what is to come.

Cheezoholic

(3,918 posts)
17. Me too. The media and people in general are tiptoeing around using the "F" word because its really fucking scary
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 05:08 PM
Aug 2025

And they are right, Fascism is really fucking scary. I'm also tired of Oligarchy and Socialism being tossed around as perhaps more preferable and less scary depictions on what's going on. Its full on Fascism 100% and I will call it as such and hope others do to.

oberle

(414 posts)
31. The WaPo will not allow the use of the word fascist when responding to articles. I've tried quite a few times.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 06:57 PM
Aug 2025

MrWowWow

(1,461 posts)
3. The Judge is Too Trusting...
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 03:21 PM
Aug 2025

or gullible. Abrego will be offshore, and in a jailcell before the next scheduled hearing

Irish_Dem

(82,369 posts)
6. Judge knows exactly what she is doing. Doesn't look like she cares if Trump kidnaps this guy.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 03:37 PM
Aug 2025

Words mean nothing today.
Look at her behavior.

Irish_Dem

(82,369 posts)
25. I expect her to put this man in protective custody.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 05:56 PM
Aug 2025

And to file contempt of court charges against the Trump attorneys and officials
who are lying to her and refusing to follow orders.

Stop running her mouth and take some GD action.

If words are all the courts have they might as well shut up shop.

Corrupt courts taking bribes and letting our democracy die is what we are looking at.

pnwmom

(110,324 posts)
29. The time to do that is after they defy her order, not when they're saying they'll comply. nt
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 06:19 PM
Aug 2025

Irish_Dem

(82,369 posts)
30. While she dicks around a man will be murdered.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 06:30 PM
Aug 2025

She should hang her head in shame.

And be named as complicit in his murder.

Irish_Dem

(82,369 posts)
28. Yep. Judges could not care less.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 06:01 PM
Aug 2025

They have their bribes, cushy well paying jobs, great retirement and health care.
Screw the people.

MrWowWow

(1,461 posts)
35. We must form a Self-Governing Blue State Coalition
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 08:44 PM
Aug 2025

And clean out all of the corrupt judges therein. Start with a clean slate.

 

Mr.WeRP

(1,098 posts)
11. The judges have NO ONE to affirm their power.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 04:07 PM
Aug 2025

SCOTUS? Lol
Congress? Lol

And Trump intends to cement these two authorities’ position and power under him by using the military in the next election. The best this judge can do is delay the inevitable.

lastlib

(28,624 posts)
12. Judge needs to order US Marshals to enforce it.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 04:10 PM
Aug 2025

Put guards at the gate with authority to inspect outgoing traffic.

dsc

(53,445 posts)
13. The officer of the court stuff means that the DOJ attorney has his or her bar card on the line.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 04:17 PM
Aug 2025

This is about as much as a judge can do in this regard. This is contempt on steroids.

rubbersole

(11,277 posts)
14. donnie would try to "pardon" any consequences the attorneys would face.
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 04:27 PM
Aug 2025

tsf is drunk with pootie power.

 

Hornedfrog2000

(866 posts)
15. They brought him back, so they can show the world
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 04:31 PM
Aug 2025

They can make him, or anyone else disappear forever. I guarantee he is good as gone.

JustAnotherGen

(38,109 posts)
21. George Conway
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 05:16 PM
Aug 2025

Seems to agree with this assessment. If he starts a fund for this man to go to a third country with his family that will accept them - we are giving to it. It's enough.

LetMyPeopleVote

(182,091 posts)
23. Deadline: Legal Blog--Judge temporarily blocks Trump from deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Uganda
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 05:39 PM
Aug 2025

The Trump administration took him into immigration custody Monday morning after he was released from criminal custody on Friday.

Judge temporarily blocks Trump from deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Uganda www.msnbc.com/deadline-whi...

Minka (@minkab.bsky.social) 2025-08-25T19:26:27.128Z

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/kilmar-abrego-garcia-uganda-judge-rcna226995

A federal judge on Monday temporarily barred the Trump administration from deporting Kilmar Abrego Garica to Uganda, pending a further hearing, NBC News reported.

The temporary reprieve from U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis during a hearing on Monday afternoon came quickly after Abrego was detained on Monday morning when he reported to immigration authorities in Maryland, following his release from criminal custody in Tennessee on Friday. Before his release from criminal custody, the government offered him a plea deal that would have resulted in his deportation to Costa Rica, which, like his birth country of El Salvador, is a Spanish-speaking country in Central America. But after his release, the government said it intended to deport him to the African nation of Uganda. His lawyers then filed a new lawsuit in Maryland to challenge his latest detention and impending removal.

Abrego had been living in Maryland when the government illegally sent him to El Salvador in March, despite a 2019 court order that barred his removal to that country for his fear of persecution there. The U.S. government resisted court orders to return him until June, when it brought him to Tennessee to face charges of unlawfully transporting undocumented immigrants. He pleaded not guilty.

Xinis, an Obama appointee, is the judge who initially ordered his U.S. return.

NJCher

(43,534 posts)
24. If he does deport him
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 05:52 PM
Aug 2025

after what the judge says, he adds to his reputation as a "president" gone rogue.

A president gone rogue is more what we have here than full-blown fascism. He does not have the military under his wing. He only has part of the courts beholden to him, and the SC only hears about 20 cases a year, so that's of dubious value.

I could go on and list other reasons, but I'd rather point out that I'm not about to give him credit for something he hasn't accomplished. That just makes me a sucker for his falsehoods. It would make me feel like I'm living a lie, something trump or other people can't make me do.

Newsom is doing a splendiferous job of making him The Fool. I prefer to lend my support to the ridiculous rather than create a falsehood that he's taken over the government.



0rganism

(25,715 posts)
33. Federal Court, right? So F47 can pardon any contempt charges
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 07:08 PM
Aug 2025

The judiciary has fallen. We cannot expect relief from the courts.

moonshinegnomie

(4,075 posts)
37. the judge could charge them with civil contempt
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 11:31 PM
Aug 2025

order them held in jail untll such time as they comply with her order. civil contempt is not pardonable. she could in theory order the attorney general locked up until they comply with her order.

Martin68

(28,072 posts)
38. This is an essential battle for the soul of this country. We must win it. If we do, Abrego's name will be in every
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 11:47 AM
Aug 2025

future history of the US a key case in the repudiation of Trump's attempted takeover of the country.

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