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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Just because I do not perceive it, does not mean that it does not exist"
This was a watchword of faith in my family, while I was growing up. It pertained to many many issues: politics, religion, the possibility of alien life, complexities beyond our comprehension, vis-à-vis the physical world, and peoples personalities and motivations.
A number of years ago, I detailed the observations of family members of unidentified, flying objects one afternoon in Northeast Philadelphia. The response here was expected, and typical: a number of people were intrigued and impressed, a few people were skeptical, but still fascinated by the narrative, and of course, a fair number of people negated the experience in toto.
This follows the somewhat skewed Bell curve involving things which cannot be demonstrated clearly and objectively in the physical world. For many it is a safety mechanism so that they do not have more to fear than they already do. This is completely understandable and an integral part of human nature. For others who wish to believe in higher order science and realities, it helps sustain their belief that there is much more to this universe than meets the eye, and for them science fiction matters because it is a predictor of that which is to come.
People make predictions all the time: I and many others here have been discussing the health of the man who occupies the White House at the present time, postulating, what may or may not be wrong with him and how much time he may or may not have left. As Patrick Swayze retorted to a villain/hater who denigrated him verbally in the film Road House, opinions vary. People feel free to predict, guess, diagnose, hope for, and pray for outcomes.. Its what we do.
Many of us have been reading about this 3I/ATLAS object which has entered our solar system. Some legitimate scientists associated with major universities and observatories posit that it may be an alien spacecraft, and of course that has met with mixed responses. This object, whether a spacecraft or not is legitimate news and worthy of some discussion and discussion in a certain context, which I feel is important.
Since Im in my early 70s, I have been around long enough to have been a watcher of the evolution of Science Fiction, film, novels, and pulp writing. Interestingly, since the 1947 Roswell incident, one can trace the evolution in Hollywood of film, which deals with flying saucers, alien encounters, and predictions of things to come. The Day the Earth Stood Still, Forbidden Planet, the television show Men in Space, and many many other examples in the 1950s began to inculcate the public that there was a possibility of life on other planets, including beings who were far superior to us and our civilization. One of the acknowledged greatest films of all time, 2001: A Space Odyssey implies that mans evolution arose from the interceding by advanced alien civilizations Close Encounters of the Third Kind explored the notions held by many that there was more to these visions than swamp gas or weather balloons, and that the government knew that, even though it publicly dismissed such sightings. E.T. brought the alien directly into the home of an family living in suburbia, and films such as Event Horizon demonstrated that there are forces and physics in the Universe of which we have almost no comprehension at our stage of mental development.
I am of the sincere opinion, and I know some of you are going to feel or say that it is absurd, that this is the way they are getting us ready for acceptance of the revelation that we are not the only sentient beings in the universe. If this is the case, it will be the single greatest moment in the history of mankind bar none. Recent discoveries in quantum physics are beginning to demonstrate that the limitations which we felt were inviolate may be circumvented by hitherto unknown processes which these civilizations have utilized for explorationand
The hearings in Congress on UFOs, the revelation by the armed forces that they have been tracking and pursuing objects which demonstrate heretofore impossible speed and non-ballistic motion, the allowance of scientists and military personnel of rank who had worked in classified establishments, to speak frankly and fascinatingly upon what they know to be the truth, is indicative of a sea change in the official position of the government . It is quite possible that within the next few months or years we are going to have a revelation.
Then again, perhaps we will not, and all this speculation will be for naught. I just hope I live long enough to find out some measure of truth one way or the other.
Postscript:
Blue Full Moon
(3,651 posts)BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)"The team behind that prior research on the comet came to this conclusion when they examined the steep trajectory of 3I/ATLAS through the solar system.
"This indicated that it comes from the Milky Way's "thick disk" of stars, a region of our galaxy much more ancient than the "thin disk" within which the sun was born.
"One thing is certain: the study of 3I/ATLAS will continue until the comet returns to interstellar space with considerably fewer secrets than it carried into the solar system. And the JWST is set to be heavily involved in the unraveling of this mystery."
Torchlight
(7,059 posts)I suspect they might exist, but I doubt Ill ever know for sure.
That said, I often find myself fascinated by the idea of our collective reaction if we were to make contact someday. The moment our species comes to a shared realization would be
unimaginable to me. Some people would respond with fear and chaos, others with hope and wonder. Witnessing the full spectrum of human reaction to something entirely unprecedented in the history of the human race, something we have zero experience with and no framework to anticipate, could be almost as fascinating as the event itself.
electric_blue68
(27,315 posts)Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)That they might be seeing other dimensions, but they are unsure of what they are exactly looking at. Yes, they are looking back in time.
Attilatheblond
(9,236 posts)let me say mine eyes have been shown there is a lot more going on than what 'officials' have wanted us to even consider.
Watching some of our fastest, most maneuverable jet fighters get toyed with by something flying circles around them in the air over and near a very sensitive military base sure made me curious. A neighbor, coming home after a very prolonged shift at that base and saying "You don't wanna know" when I asked what was going on... well, made me more inclined to believe what I was seeing. The man was a civilian working on the base, involved with satellite telemetry and possessed of an uncommon rational calm. He was rattled to his core, and that made what I was watching late that night, as most slept, all the more intriguing.
We are ants in the cosmos. To think we have it all figured out would be funny if it weren't so damned short sighted and foolishly naive.
electric_blue68
(27,315 posts)Attilatheblond
(9,236 posts)electric_blue68
(27,315 posts)While nothing like your experiences you suddenly made me remember this.
On our way to visit cousins in northern NJ waaay back in ?early - mid 60's there must have been a base somewhere on the way bc even once in a while we'd see bunches of ?Army jeeps riding in the opposite direction.
Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)I was sitting outside one day with a very, very psychotic (paranoid schizophrenic) patient one day. At this point he was in his last few months of life, and very ill, but we would take him for coffee.
Something metalic looking was flying towards us, and then it finally stopped, and flew the opposite direction until it was gone into the sky. I turned and said, " did you see that?" And he said yeah. Then he said, "maybe you should be the one in here" jokingly. It was really odd, and it is funny a guy who sees hallucinations was the only other person i could verify he saw that. Lol.
gab13by13
(32,767 posts)There are things we know
There are things we don't know
There are things we don't know we don't know.
electric_blue68
(27,315 posts)SWBTATTReg
(26,399 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(11,550 posts)I would even say shocked.
TheRickles
(3,533 posts)It's about a group of 50 schoolkids who saw a UFO while outside at recess. It's hard to dismiss their sincerity and their unanimity in follow-up interviews with Harvard psychiatrist John Mack.
And thanks for sharing your sincere opinions, PCIntern. Always appreciated.
questionseverything
(11,974 posts)Kid Berwyn
(25,091 posts)More people made fun of what the kids experienced than found words of support. The late doctor helped them know what they experienced made a real impact on them. And while he didn't know what caused the phenomenon, he knew how to be a good doctor.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20216382/
Katcat
(610 posts)When I was a kid, one of my siblings saw something in the night sky. It was moving and then it stopped, DEAD and sat there for a bit while we speculated on what it might be. All of a sudden, it took off shooting across the night sky and our house. Before we could run through the house and to the back porch it was gone. Common sense might say that it was a secret military operation but what did we have that far back that could stop in the sky and then shoot off without a slow acceleration?
Ponietz
(4,422 posts)I saw a luminescent sphere hovering high above me in the sky for several seconda it shot northeast, banked instantly at 30 degrees and disappeared over the Sandias about 10 miles away. Think were on the Truman Show, sometimes. Grrr from Omicron Persei 8 is enjoying the broadcast.
HuskiesHowls
(739 posts)electric_blue68
(27,315 posts)He's an investigative journalist in Australia. Been part of several public affairs programs in Australia reporting on several major scandals of which one which won him an award from a Australian Law group.
And also interested l in UFO's because after his family moved to New Zealand...
from Barns & Noble:
Award-winning investigative journalist Coulthart has been intrigued by UFOs since mysterious glowing lights were reported near New Zealand's Kaikoura mountains when he was a teenager.
I really like the book bc besides laying out UFO history he interviews military people, and even some astronauts.
I'm a mix of skeptic, and somewhat believer. His book is very intriguing imho.
Intriguing, your posit of the evolution of science fiction. Me, I read, watch, and think about it; but never thought about it in an overarching progression.
As far as SFbooks if you want a mix of well written, and various human, aliens, machines, and genetically advanced Earth animals (dolphins & chimps) living in a sprawling billions years old (multi) Galatic Civilization read David Brin's Uplift Universe series.
Finally back to 3I/ATLAS.
Part of me would love for the Webb telescope to definitely see that it's an ancient spacecraft.
bronxiteforever
(11,212 posts)It is possible that we are not alone but the great silence and the theory of the great filter haunt me.
Intelligence seems far from inevitable given our history. And then there is the enormous distance between stars, the speed of light and the time required for said travel.
To your point there are many opportunities for life in the numbers of galaxies and star systems.
I guess one thing we strongly agree on is that we dont know much. I am blown away by our biology and that our brand of human lived with Homo neanderthalensis (Neanderthals), Homo sapiens idaltu,
Denisovans (Homo sapiens) , Homo heidelbergensis and Homo floresiensis. If you told me as a kid in the 1960s that we would know that humans are comprised of the genes of extinct human species, I would have believed that you were mad.
One thing is for sure, if we dont destroy ourselves the universe will provide us with endless beauty and knowledge.
madamesilverspurs
(16,535 posts)when we lay on our backs in the yard to watch Sputnik and then Gagarin dance across the night sky. As kids, we were entertained by the achievements and not remotely capable of the fearful speculations that occupied our parents. We were "wow", our elders were "uh oh". Anyway.
We soon enough got to watch the grainy televised coverage of Alan Shepard and John Glenn, and the phrases "we have liftoff" and "A OK" entered the vernacular. And then, bootprints left in moon dust. It was all, as Spock would say, fascinating. The onscreen science fiction ran the gamut from unintentionally hilarious to visually and intellectually magnificent; and our conversations had a parallel spectrum.
My own considerations have moderated over time. At present, knowing what we continue to learn about the immeasurable vastness of the universe, I am doubtful that we are the sole sentient beings in it. Have we been visited by extraterrestrials? Damned if I know. But if they have been watching us, those observations are likely the reason they have refrained from initiating formal acquaintance; after all, given earthlings' history of hostility toward one another, why would they invite such discord into their own societies?
Or, maybe, if we and our Earth exist by divine creation, it could be that such Creator chose to separate inhabited planets by profound distances in order to maintain peace and quiet in the cosmos. Who knows?
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Amaryllis
(11,430 posts)sighting. No other explanation for what we saw. And no way anyone would talk me out of it.
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