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[underpants]

1. People have a hard time accepting that they screwed up let alone being duped

[Chasstev365]

2. Culture Wars will cause the new Civil War.

[intheflow]

12. Culture wars caused the old Civil War, too.

Southern culture said slavery was awesome, abolitionist culture said no.
Ditto Jim Crow.
Ditto sodomy laws.
Ditto women being allowed to own property, work outside the home, be educated, open their own bank accounts, and Roe.

[EthanBlue]

3. It's easy

Simple when you only listen to people that tell you, you’re right. Stoke your fear about “others” you’ll be better off.

Add in for those people that they believe that they have some secret knowledge that will serve them in the end.

It’s all very exhausting.

[lame54]

4. 12% is a start

[senseandsensibility]

11. More than enough to swing an election!

[Karasu]

25. I can virtually guarantee you that most of that 12% would still never consider voting for a Democrat, no matter HOW much

they might regret their vote. If you've been following Republican polling for the last decade, you wouldn't be surprised by that. The TC is correct. Going after actual independents is much more important.

But we need to stop looking at this as a perfectly normal election and assuming the old rules are still going to apply anyhow. It's in very real danger of being thoroughly compromised before a single vote is cast, and that's where the focus needs to be right now.

[LR3]

31. I am OK with 12%-14% staying home

True, many will never vote for a Democrat; not voting for the guy that promised to be a dictator is a good start, however.

I actually find this encouraging. The asshole is such an asshole that he has already lost this many voters in just his first 7 months? Imagine when they get kicked off their healthcare coverage en masse after tariffs have already lowered their standard of living.

[RockRaven]

5. Of course they do. They justified their choice at the time with reality-free fantasyland BS

and so why would they stray from that pattern in judging the action in retrospect?

[genxlib]

6. There are two major components to this

One is that they are fully aware and like it

The second is that they are only aware of what the RW media bubble tells them.

I seriously doubt that many of them have a firm enough sense of reality to have second thoughts

[Martin Eden]

30. RW media fostered the alternate reality that enabled Trump to sieze the Republican Party

And that false reality gets reinforced on a daily basis. Very few can reject entrenched beliefs, or admit they were conned into being useful idiots.

[Redleg]

7. This is about what I would expect

People typically don't want to admit they were wrong. Also, they can always justify their vote for Trump, no matter how bad he gets, by saying that Kamala Harris would have been worse. It's a useful mental trick to avoid the consequences of cognitive dissonance.

[johnnyfins]

8. FUCK THEM ALL

They made their beds.

[Oopsie Daisy]

9. They are too embarrassed to tell the truth. They know better... they just won't say it out loud.

I've seen that happen before. Not only are Trump voters too proud to admit they made a mistake. The anti-Hillary, anti-Biden, and anti-Harris folks are ALSO too proud to publicly admit their ignorance.

But I know the truth. And they KNOW that I know.

[niyad]

10. Not agreeing to anything on the cnn website.

[MrWowWow]

13. And They'll Continue

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to pretend so.... EVEN after they are homeless, starving street urchins.

[Johonny]

14. 12 percent would have swung the election

So it isn't good news.

[LeftinOH]

15. Children called out for misbehaving don't self-reflect; they double down.

[Arazi]

16. No shit. It's a cult that marinates in a media propaganda bubble

[slightlv]

20. Add to that marinade a good splash of "victimhood"....

[Torchlight]

17. Okay

[ananda]

18. Yes. I said just the other day to a friend that...

Trumpers will whine and shout at Trump and other
officials, but they will never actually turn on them
because they represent white supremacy and
misogyny.

[Hornedfrog2000]

19. Just follow the plan

Chuck, hakeem, etc, they all got this. Let them play their hand. They have trump right where they want him. Excuse me, but im about to change my party affiliation, because im scared to even have democrat next to my name. That is where we are at. Play those fucking cards.

And to the people telling us to stop criticizing, you need to step aside and be quiet, because you are the minority.

[Paladin]

21. Living down to my expectations, as usual. (nt)

[xuplate]

22. or---delusional

[stopdiggin]

23. this is the REAL metric out there

(despite a certain amount of optimistic polling) - that carries the greatest amount of weight.

More voters voted for Trump, than otherwise, in the previous election - and a very large percentage of that electorate - do not regret their vote ... Make of that what you will - but a very large block of Americans - are just fine with - the ugliness, the mendacity, the gutting of programs and march toward authoritarianism ... I.e., the sh*t show that is so clear to many of us - phases them not at all.

It's entirely possible that that picture will change substantively within the the next 14 months. But, right now - not a whole lot of 'hearts and minds' are being won ...

[Aristus]

24. A smart person is hesitant to admit when he is wrong.

A stupid person is incapable of it.

[BootinUp]

26. Which would not be enough in another

Hypothetical election. Many people in this country including a significant number of voters don’t read or follow real news on politics.

[Ocelot II]

27. It's hard for people to admit they were wrong.

And the more wrong they were - the worse the mistake turned out to be - the more they'll dig in their heels and refuse to admit the error. It's pretty easy to admit you made a minor little mistake, much harder to admit you did something spectacularly stupid and ill-informed.

[FloridaBlues]

28. As long as his Republican approval numbers are this high

Things will get worse with his take over and the collapse of congress will continue. Pretty simple to forecast at this point.

[OC375]

29. Two Tribes...

...in one tent. That's what we are here. We're either going to figure out how to get along, or get to fightin' one of these days. Not sure there's another option? The planet might wash us away before we get to either, though.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

32. They will stick with Trump unless something very bad happens to their family..unemployment, homelessness

[moondust]

33. Like him, they never make mistakes.

Never have, never will.

Even if they did they wouldn't know it without a little introspection.

[La Coliniere]

34. Despite everything, 88% of orange felon voters are

still cruel and ignorant deplorables. Don’t really see those numbers falling soon. Ugh