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Jack Valentino

(5,252 posts)
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:06 PM Aug 2025

Vet Arrested After Burning a Flag at the White House to Protest Trump's Order (for 'igniting an object')

https://www.thedailybeast.com/veteran-jay-carey-arrested-after-burning-a-flag-at-the-white-house-to-protest-donald-trumps-order/


The Army veteran railed against Trump’s order prohibiting the desecration of flags, slamming the commander-in-chief as an “illegal fascist president.”

Ewan Palmer
Reporter
Updated Aug. 26 2025 10:56AM EDT
Published Aug. 26 2025 10:54AM EDT


An Army veteran has been arrested after burning an American flag outside the White House in defiance of Donald Trump’s new executive order targeting the act, long seen as a symbol of free speech and expression.

The man, identified as Jay Carey, doused an American flag with accelerant Monday before setting it on fire and railing against what he claimed was Trump’s “illegal” order prohibiting the desecration of flags.

“No president can make a law period. No Congress shall make a law infringing on First Amendment rights,” said Carey, who described himself as a 20-year combat veteran of the U.S. Army. “I’m burning this flag as a protest to that illegal fascist president that sits in that house. We burn this flag in protest to that president who feels that it’s his right to do whatever he wants, make whatever law he wants, regardless if it’s legal or illegal.”

Video posted on Instagram shows Secret Service agents dousing the blaze with a fire extinguisher and detaining Carey, although not for burning the flag. Instead, he was arrested for violating a law that prohibits setting fires in federal parks.


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https://www.thedailybeast.com/veteran-jay-carey-arrested-after-burning-a-flag-at-the-white-house-to-protest-donald-trumps-order/


Sounds like a fair arrest, rather than a fascist action---
acts of civil disobedience can have a cost
(although what he was protesting wasn't what he was arrested for, since the Supreme Court already ruled many years ago
that burning the flag as political speech cannot be outlawed..., regardless of Trump's E.O. blathering...

Unfortunately setting fires in federal parks is actually illegal, it seems

I APPLAUD this vet's protest, I hope someone sets up a 'GoFundMe' to cover his legal expenses and a little more!


(Trump's worthless EO brings back memories of an argument with my now EX-wife about that 1989 Supreme Court decision which ruled that flag-burning was a protected form of political speech.... She was against it, I was for it. She tried to be a good Democrat while she was married to me--- but long after the divorce in the era of Obama, I happened to find her facebook page which had shared a bunch of racist anti-Obama crap, which made me appalled that we had ever shared a bed Seems that after we parted, she went back to her father's bad influence, one of his favorite words began with an 'N'.... Now I'm sure she's a total magat, but I don't care to go look)

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Vet Arrested After Burning a Flag at the White House to Protest Trump's Order (for 'igniting an object') (Original Post) Jack Valentino Aug 2025 OP
good...and I agree with EVERYTHING he said! FirstLight Aug 2025 #1
Those who want to outlaw 'burning the flag' have always ignored the irony that Jack Valentino Aug 2025 #5
What he should have done was burn the flag in a completely legal manner and location, Ocelot II Aug 2025 #2
+ struggle4progress Aug 2025 #3
Not sure how I rec'd this repeatedly, but I'm gonna leave it . .. berniesandersmittens Aug 2025 #7
Yeah, well.... how far away from the White House would such a location be ?? Jack Valentino Aug 2025 #10
... "On August 25 at approximately 6:15 p.m., the U.S. Secret Service detained an individual struggle4progress Aug 2025 #4
36 CFR 2.13(a)(1) struggle4progress Aug 2025 #6
Former NC candidate charged for fire struggle4progress Aug 2025 #8
From another era: GJGCA Aug 2025 #9
Name rings a bell, but I have no further recollection, so I googled her Jack Valentino Aug 2025 #13
Different time, sometimes different reasons/outcomes........................... Lovie777 Aug 2025 #11
The excuses they use to cover this as something it's not will be immediate Torchlight Aug 2025 #12
"Technicalities"...... I think you might agree that laws against Jack Valentino Aug 2025 #14

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
1. good...and I agree with EVERYTHING he said!
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:14 PM
Aug 2025

We should definitely be watching out for more of this now, unfortunately. Burning flags wasn't even an issue, but now that the turd said and did that, it might just become one. And I hate that it will be twisted into "Liberals hate our country"

Jack Valentino

(5,252 posts)
5. Those who want to outlaw 'burning the flag' have always ignored the irony that
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:27 PM
Aug 2025

burning flags which are tattered, stained, or otherwise severely distressed
is the recommended, accepted and honorable method of disposal....



WELL, OUR FLAG is NOW
"tattered, stained, and otherwise severely distressed" !


Trump will likely soon be directing his 'Department of Injustice'
to arrest Boy Scouts who are disposing of old flags according to long-standing 'flag etiquette'.....


Want to burn some flags myself now, but not the 'Stars and Stripes'---
but a bunch of MAGAT flags!





Ocelot II

(131,231 posts)
2. What he should have done was burn the flag in a completely legal manner and location,
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:16 PM
Aug 2025

as in a designated fire pit in a public picnic area - then dare them to arrest him.

Jack Valentino

(5,252 posts)
10. Yeah, well.... how far away from the White House would such a location be ??
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:32 PM
Aug 2025

Probably pretty damned far as to escape any notice.


Now, to create a public fire pit and picnic area on White House grounds
is an idea which has some merit, now......

struggle4progress

(126,683 posts)
4. ... "On August 25 at approximately 6:15 p.m., the U.S. Secret Service detained an individual
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:25 PM
Aug 2025

in Lafayette Park for igniting an object," the agency said. "The individual was subsequently turned over to U.S. Park Police as they have jurisdiction. We'd refer you to U.S. Park Police for any charges or additional questions."

The Park Police confirmed that the individual was arrested after being reached for comment by Newsweek, saying, "At about 6:30 p.m., the United States Park Police arrested one person in Lafayette Park for a violation of 36 CFR 2.13(a)(1), prohibited fire. All units have cleared the scene" ...

https://www.newsweek.com/person-detained-washington-dc-burning-american-flag-2119090

struggle4progress

(126,683 posts)
6. 36 CFR 2.13(a)(1)
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:27 PM
Aug 2025

(a) The following are prohibited:

(1) Lighting or maintaining a fire, except in designated areas or receptacles and under conditions that may be established by the superintendent ...

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-36/chapter-I/part-2/section-2.13

struggle4progress

(126,683 posts)
8. Former NC candidate charged for fire
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:29 PM
Aug 2025

By Danielle Battaglia
August 26, 2025 1:43 PM

... Carey spent only a few hours in custody before being released Monday night, he said after returning to the area and appearing in a TikTok video to explain his arrest. He said U.S. Park Police charged him for lighting a fire in a park ...

Carey ran in 2022 to represent North Carolina’s 11th Congressional District, but lost the Democratic primary. Rep. Chuck Edwards, a Republican, won the general election. In March, Carey was escorted by police out of a town hall hosted by Edwards for a shouting expletives at Edwards for his support of Trump ...

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article311853731.html#storylink=cpy

GJGCA

(313 posts)
9. From another era:
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:30 PM
Aug 2025
Over Barbara Frietchie’s grave
Flag of Freedom and Union, wave!

Peace and order and beauty draw
Round thy symbol of light and law;

And ever the stars above look down
On thy stars below in Frederick town!


https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45483/barbara-frietchie

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Greenleaf_Whittier

Lovie777

(23,740 posts)
11. Different time, sometimes different reasons/outcomes...........................
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:33 PM
Aug 2025

but history reminds us of how we the people can survive.

Torchlight

(7,059 posts)
12. The excuses they use to cover this as something it's not will be immediate
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:33 PM
Aug 2025

But quite often, six of one really is half a dozen of the other.

Jack Valentino

(5,252 posts)
14. "Technicalities"...... I think you might agree that laws against
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:44 PM
Aug 2025

starting fires in public parks might be considered valid,
even if fascist executive orders against burning flags are completely invalid...

Nonetheless, I applaud this veteran.

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