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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrumps Flag Burning Ban
1. His order is unconstitutional, but will be put to the test on our Judical System.
2. We ALL SHOULD NOT BURN our US FLAG. No matter what statement you are expressing. Rather we burn the MAGA Flags!
BURN THE MAGA FLAGS. Even the BLUE LINE US FLAGS. Those are NOT US FLAGS and in my opinion a disgrace to our National Flag.
Want to make a statement... BURN the MAGA Flag.. after all, that what we are fighting against!
wcmagumba
(5,402 posts)CaptainTruth
(8,016 posts)I'd need a custom one that says "Hey Trump & GOP" across the top to make it clear.
mobeau69
(12,202 posts)RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(1,640 posts)LearnedHand
(5,202 posts)niyad
(129,028 posts)LearnedHand
(5,202 posts)niyad
(129,028 posts)for krasnov's latest bs.
eShirl
(19,987 posts)InstantGratification
(411 posts)Not only will that piss them off, it will force them into explicitly supporting those flags or gritting their teeth in silence.
surfered
(10,717 posts)Torchlight
(6,239 posts)chouchou
(2,688 posts)twodogsbarking
(17,238 posts)JohnnyRingo
(20,366 posts)Taunting us into protest that will grant him power of martial law.
Dave Id
(221 posts)Trump is a rapist
AllaN01Bear
(28,280 posts)Farmer-Rick
(12,351 posts)I was at a protest that was so large we surrounded the Whitehouse. They burned a flag there. But it was a flag with all those corporate logos on them that looks like a US flag. It was a big hit with the protesters.
I wonder if those flags are also covered by his illegal, unconstitutional executive order?
No matter how the dancing Supremes enable and protect pedo fascist Trump, I can read and I know what the Constitution really says.
AllaN01Bear
(28,280 posts)is a trump flag as the word trump in the blue field and a standard us flag
niyad
(129,028 posts)etc., flags is that one needs to actually purchase, to be in possession of, such filth. (a fact that I gleefully pointed out to a group of church types who wer going to burn the Harryy Potter boks). Are you planning on buying, or stealing them, in order to burn them?
progressoid
(52,434 posts)One was the basic Trump 2024. Not sure what the other one was. Probably some MAGA shit.
They were brand new. Still in their plastic packaging. Starting bid....one dollar. No body was bidding on them!
Oh, and I zoomed in and could read one of the labels. Made in the P.R.C.
CaptainTruth
(8,016 posts)Tribetime
(7,004 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(9,794 posts)That is what I do when I have one that is not useable anymore. I will continue to do this.
The right of free speech, which has also included burning the flag, has been upheld as protected speech. I do not have a problem with this, as people have destroyed religious/cultural/governmental symbology in the name of protest and free speech for centuries. This is no different.
The orange gibbon can kiss my ass.
LetMyPeopleVote
(173,707 posts)The president said it was a very sad court that previously rejected flag-burning prosecutions on First Amendment grounds.
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-flag-burning-prosecute-executive-order-supreme-court-rcna227012
He appeared to be referring to long-standing Supreme Court precedent on the subject. In a 5-4 decision joined by Scalia, the court said in 1989s Texas v. Johnson: If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.
The court sided with Gregory Lee Johnson, who burned the flag in 1984 in Dallas during the Republican National Convention. The majority recounted that Johnson participated in a political protest called the Republican War Chest Tour against the Reagan administration and certain Dallas-based corporations. The majority said Johnson was convicted for expressive conduct and that he did not threaten to disturb the peace. It said the states interest in preserving the flag as a symbol of nationhood and national unity couldnt justify his prosecution......
With that background in mind, lets take a closer look at the new executive order.
While its performative political aspect is clear, a notable legal aspect is the degree to which it acknowledges the limits of Trumps power in this area. Though the order instructs the attorney general to prioritize law enforcement actions against flag-burning, it caveats these instructions by saying to do so in ways consistent with the First Amendment and to the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution.
In other words: Do everything you can, except where you cant. Its unclear where that leaves any enforcement actions in reality.
So, the orders legal effect is fairly limited by its own terms, putting aside whatever chilling practical effect it might have on peoples conduct something that cant be ignored these days.
By its own terms, trump's latest executive order is subject to the First Amendment. This is simply a stunt by trump that has no real legal effect.