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bigtree

(94,672 posts)
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 08:08 PM Aug 2025

Why are the AP and others pushing this poll that Americans are concerned about crime in cities? Who isn't?

The Associated Press @AP
Most Americans see crime as a "major problem" in large cities. Trump has seized on the concern as he deploys the National Guard.

Why is AP stirring shit and prevaricating on the issue of whether these communities actually want soldiers patrolling their streets? What's their motivation in muddling an issue that has this president deploying military in Democratic-run cities with large minority populations using provable lies as justification for invoking 'emergency' powers to deploy the Guard?

That's the issues here; with no one in the administration actually establishing that deploying the nation's military, primarily against Americans, is whether this is an actual attempt by Trump to reduce crime; or if it's just a political stunt; and, whether his use of the military is welcome by the communities, or even requested (in compliance with the law) by the people residents elect to make those decisions about their communities.

Even more, the people the president claims to be protecting with the two deployments to Democratically-run cities, have clear majorities of residents who actually opposed Trump for president in the election.

Unsurprisingly, in the results of a [https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article311854845.html|YouGov survey Aug. 25-26], a plurality of Americans, 46%, believe local police are better at addressing crime in major cities than the National Guard. A majority, 61%, said their local police department would be better at addressing crime in their area, while just 6% selected the National Guard.

The AP generalization about concern among people polled all across America about crime in cities, is put into perspective by a Reuters/Ipsos poll which found just 38% of Americans support Trump's use of troops to police D.C..

I get that republicans will use opposing deployments of soldiers to neighborhoods as a wedge against Democrats by claiming that opposition to soldiers in our streets is opposition to fighting crime.

But, despite these misleading reports which are headlining the banal obviousness that Americans are concerned about crime, there's no evidence yet that any of these communities which are being subjected to this politicized militarization are coming anywhere near to supporting it in their own neighborhoods.
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Why are the AP and others pushing this poll that Americans are concerned about crime in cities? Who isn't? (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2025 OP
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2025 #1
Republicans cause poverty. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2025 #2
Fifty six percent of voters disapprove of the federal takeover senseandsensibility Aug 2025 #3
How much attention Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #11
Our Rebl2 Aug 2025 #4
centralized methods can't compete with community policing and comprehensive approaches bigtree Aug 2025 #5
I mean... kirby Aug 2025 #6
Our media created this monster. They are actively complicit. Initech Aug 2025 #7
.. Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #12
not seeing the humor bigtree Aug 2025 #13
... Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #14
hilarious. bigtree Aug 2025 #15
Where in any of that would one find Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #17
it's not something that really can be put into posts bigtree Aug 2025 #18
I see the first one here several times each day Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #19
For the same reason Tim Cook gave trmp a gold trophy....Ass Kissing spanone Aug 2025 #8
I participated in that YouGov poll !!! about whether local police or national guardsmen Jack Valentino Aug 2025 #9
because these bullshit issues WORK Skittles Aug 2025 #10
Isnt the crime rate way lower today than Johonny Aug 2025 #16

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
1. Recommended.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 08:17 PM
Aug 2025

I saw a report two days ago that documented that most of the big cities with high rates of crime are where republicans are in charge.

DinahMoeHum

(23,680 posts)
2. Republicans cause poverty. . .
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 08:18 PM
Aug 2025

Poverty causes crime.
Therefore, Republicans cause crime.

senseandsensibility

(25,530 posts)
3. Fifty six percent of voters disapprove of the federal takeover
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 08:21 PM
Aug 2025

of DC, however. New poll I saw on MSNBC today. Will that one receive as much attention?

Rebl2

(17,934 posts)
4. Our
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 08:22 PM
Aug 2025

local police department in MO is controlled by the state and they are doing a piss poor job fighting crime.

bigtree

(94,672 posts)
5. centralized methods can't compete with community policing and comprehensive approaches
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:22 PM
Aug 2025

...which most successful cities rely on to prevent and reduce crime.

It's because they have a political goal in which they put themselves at odds with the local officials. That's why Missouri's board-governed control of the St. Louis MPD is opposed by the community and police unions, as well, because it undermines local control and accountability.

What's interesting in Missouri is that in 1861 a Confederate governor took control of Missouri’s biggest police department to help secessionists seize an arsenal.

....from a story published by The Beacon in December 2022 about the connection between state control of KCPD and Confederate machinations leading up to the Civil War:

___At the time, then-Missouri Gov. Claiborne Fox Jackson took control of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department and appointed four secessionists to the police board. His intention was to seize an arsenal of nearly 40,000 weapons during the Camp Jackson Affair. This was the largest arsenal among the slave states.

“The police bill was in reality a war measure, adopted to enable our people to control St. Louis,” white supremacist and St. Louis police commissioner Basil Duke later said, as reported in “Lion of the Valley” by James Neal Primm. “I knew the meaning of the measure … and tried to carry it into action.”

Although the Kansas City police board would not be created until the late 1800s, after the Civil War ended, its structure is outlined in Chapter 84 of Missouri statute, which dates back to the 1861 St. Louis police bill.

“The legislature did not pass the police bill for any legitimate purpose,” the lawsuit reads. “The legislature passed the police bill to commit treason, to keep Black people captive, and to deny Black people basic human rights and dignities.”

https://thebeaconnews.org/stories/2022/12/20/kcpd-state-local-control-history-police-board/

kirby

(4,535 posts)
6. I mean...
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:50 PM
Aug 2025

If the government installed cameras in everyone's home think of all the domestic violence that could be prevented or prosecuted!

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
14. ...
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 12:16 PM
Aug 2025


It's so easy to blame "the media" because you don't like the way certain news outlets do their job. It goes back maybe a century to "Cancel my subscription!" because of one editorial.

bigtree

(94,672 posts)
18. it's not something that really can be put into posts
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 04:35 PM
Aug 2025

...it's practically an issue that deserves a lecture series.

And I'm going to guess that the laughing emoji is the substance of your objection since what you asserted as perjoratives of what someone supposedly said - "blame the media because you don't like the way certain news outlets do their job," and "Cancel my subscription, because of one editorial" - aren't actually found anywhere on this page except in your own response.

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
19. I see the first one here several times each day
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 08:14 PM
Aug 2025

The second was an example of something commonly said in the days when newspapers and radio were the only news media.

Jack Valentino

(5,252 posts)
9. I participated in that YouGov poll !!! about whether local police or national guardsmen
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 11:10 PM
Aug 2025

would be more effective at controlling local crime.... Naturally said that National Guards
were not needed or even effective for that purpouse...


Been participating in the YouGov online polling group for nearly a year....

The pay from it very nearly pays for all my garbage collection costs for the year....


Skittles

(172,895 posts)
10. because these bullshit issues WORK
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 11:41 PM
Aug 2025

the "trans issue", the "open borders issue", etc - the GOP knows how easy it is to manipulate really stupid people

Johonny

(26,623 posts)
16. Isnt the crime rate way lower today than
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 12:40 PM
Aug 2025

Fifty years ago in most major cities?

I believe the answer is yes.

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