As we all watch seemingly helpless as DJT tears down our country as we know it. Ask yourself these two questions....

[usaf-vet]

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1. How long before djt's health or the 25th Amendment will be invoked?
2. How long after JD ascends to the "throne" will it be before he pardons djt for all his crimes (the ones they believe he never committed)?

At 78, 3rd generation military. WW I, WWII, and Vietnam. With a fourth generation, when our adopted brother and sister also wore the uniform in Iraq.

It's hard not to believe that it was all for naught!




Some of the names on this wall were those of kids I grew up with or graduated from high school with.

[Chasstev365]

1. Great questions

I think the only way the GOP would allow Trump to leave office would be in a casket. They will cover for him no matter what his condition, like they did in the last year of Reagan's presidency.

Project 2025 and the billionaires won't stop when Trump is gone, but the spell will be broken; Vance will not have the cult appeal of Donald Trump.

If Vance pardons Trump for everything, he will be the next Gerald Ford. The outrage would insure a Democratic landslide in 2028.

Maybe then we can add justices to the Supreme Court and neuter the billionaires by repealing Citizens United.

[JMCKUSICK]

7. Be careful, when JFK was assassinated,

LBJ of all people got his Civil Rights bill passed. They will do shit in his name for years after to keep the flock in the fold.

[tinrobot]

9. Kennedy had a good approval rating

This guy is at 37% and falling quickly

Very different

[bagimin]

16. his base has always been

right at 37 percent, and I've yet to see it drop even one point below that. At least that's my recollection.

[Javaman]

36. the orange asshole will probably drop dead just before the midterms to get the sympathy vote.

I put nothing past the bastard

[mucholderthandirt]

54. This is why Trump will die. He'll be a hero, got to carry on in his name!, can't let the libs win!

Him resigning won't work. No matter what excuse, the MAGA idiots will say he was forced out, they'll rebel. But if he dies, he's a martyr, he was doing God's work, blah blah blah. Then MAGA will endorse anything that's done in his name.

It's strange that he isn't in Mad Lardo for the holiday weekend, it's not like he actually does any work anyway, other than post stupid shit on social media. But why stay in DC? Where's the fun in that? No golf course he'd lower himself to go to. My guess is he needs some kind of infusion, which needs to be kept secret, so White House it is.

[yellow dahlia]

35. I have made the same statement - Vance won't be able to keep the attention of the cult.

He does however have the billionaire tech bro take over movement behind him. He is Peter Thiel's "guy", and put in place specifically for that reason.

I wonder what will happen with the two take over factions - the Tech Bro/Thiel and Musk/Dark Enlightenment conglomerate vs. the Christian Nationalist/Project 25/ Russell Vought camp. Will their fight for power bring it all down?

And then - how the hell do we put this country back together again? The destruction of our bureaucratic infrastructure has been costly...and will be so costly to repair. It is the true waste, fraud, and abuse.

I don't know what to expect next. I continue to hold on to the strength in We the People.

[Scrivener7]

2. It is heartbreaking that you are being made to think this. It was not all for naught, even

if it seems things are falling apart.

I'm younger than you, but that is one of my greatest angers about it all: will I live to see the other side of this?

[usaf-vet]

32. I haven't given up I'm still fighting. But I continue to feel rage for all those with their name inscribed on a piece ..

... of granite.

[Scrivener7]

33. I share rage but I'm sure you feel it in a way the rest of us can't understand.

[snowybirdie]

3. You are so correct

It's frustrating to see the destruction.

[OldBaldy1701E]

4. We are as helpless as we allow ourselves to believe we are.

The programming worked.

(We are not helpless. We are just gullible. Time to stop that.)

[Farmer-Rick]

5. The mass propaganda has worked

The manipulation and con does have it's affect.

[Oeditpus Rex]

43. What 'mass propaganda' might that be?

Not once have I heard or read the likes of "Amèrica is doomed" or "Democracy is dead" in legitimate news or opinion mrmedia. That's found only in social media, including bloggers who want the attebtion of the easily led.

[Farmer-Rick]

46. Not sure what your definition of propaganda is

But it doesn't have to be in the corporate news for it to be propaganda. In fact, in some cases it may just work better if it isn't in the corporate controlled formal news.

Propaganda distributed through opinion pieces and other social media is just as effective.

For example, pedo Trump's nonsense is always sane washed through corporate media. Yet we all know what he says and that he talks like a child, or a demented psych pedo. If all you watched or read was corporate media, you would think he was just your average egotistical wannabe dictator.

[Oeditpus Rex]

48. What do you think 'corporate media' should do

instead of "sane washing," as you put it, The Felon when he's acting like an unbalanced,tyrant as he always quite obviously does?

Also, is "sane washing" what you term their failure to describe him as you think they should?

For example: "The unbalanced and tyrannical President Fuckhead Drumpf today signed one of his most shit-headed executive orders yet..."

[Farmer-Rick]

52. No I didn't coin sanewashing

"Sanewashing is the act of minimizing the perceived radical aspects of a person or idea in order to make them appear more acceptable to a wider audience. The term was initially coined in online discussions about defunding the police in 2020, but it has come to greater prominence in critique of media practices relating to Donald Trump in the 2024 United States presidential election." From a wiki definition.

But I like your news account better: "The unbalanced and tyrannical President Fuckhead Drumpf today signed one of his most shit-headed executive orders yet..." Well said

[Oeditpus Rex]

53. That would be extremely unprofessional

and would cost that anchor their job in about two minutes.

Btw -- I didn't say you coined "sanewashing." I said that was the term you used.

[ancianita]

10. AMEN AMEN! Thank you!

Never believe the corporate oligarch network hype on the futility of We The People.

We are never to become what propaganda calls us. We are only what we answer to.
We need to know the democratic democracy democratic party difference!

[OldBaldy1701E]

29. We are the ultimate power in this country.

We just keep being convinced that we are not.

It happens. But, now it is time to throw off that deceit and realize that only we can fix this.

And, we can.

[ancianita]

31. ...

YES WE CAN!

[Scrivener7]

34. You seem to have missed the point.

[Martin Eden]

6. As you well know, fascists do not give up power willingly.

They will do ANYTHING to hold onto power, especially if they might be held accountable for their crimes.

ANYONE who thinks next year's midterms will be a normal election is fooling themselves. Occupying our cities with federalized National Guard and/or active military is, in part, intended to incite violent protests to justify martial law.

Under the guise of "election integrity" they will control the apparatus of elections to guarantee the outcome.

Congressional Republicans were too cowardly to challenge the orange POtuS when he alienated our NATO allies, put Russia's interests over Ukraine, and appointed an egregiously unqualified Secretary of Defense & Director of National Intelligence.

Can we count on ANY of them to grow a spine when this fascist administration, known for punishing those who defy it, wields more power with less accountability?

[yankee87]

12. Zero Hope

I know I should be more hopeful, but I have none. Every day, as Trump is taking more power with national guard and armed forces, we go to court, win and he doesn’t care.
There will not be elections in 2026, and if there is, he’ll just say it was stolen and invalidate.

[Martin Eden]

19. There will be elections, as there are in Russia

The outcome, of course, is predetermined.

My hope is not zero yet, but how many Americans will actually risk their financial health and their very lives to do whatever it takes to topple this fascist regime? In addition to that, a massive uprising with violence could severely damage an economy already weakened by tariffs, deportations, preventable contagious disease, and the placement of unqualified sycophants in government agencies including the Federal Reserve.

Perhaps we're overstating the threat we're facing, but I don't think so. Corporations and major shareholders will also be hurt as the economy tanks, but they can weather the storm. The rich have been wanting to dismantle the regulatory & welfare state ever since FDR, and Project 2025 is giving it to them. Whether we call it fascism or oligarchy, POWER is the first priority.

[Farmer-Rick]

47. Of course you cannot talk about rigged elections

Without mentioning that supposed quote by Stalin. "It's not who votes that counts it's who counts the votes." But it turns out this was not the real quote.

In my search for the real quote, the closest I got to it was this from PolitiFact:

"In memoirs written after his retirement, Boris Bazhanov, Stalin’s former personal secretary, claimed that Stalin said: "Я считаю, что совершенно неважно, кто и как будет в партии голосовать; но вот что чрезвычайно важно, это кто и как будет считать голоса." It translates to: "I regard it as completely unimportant who in the party will vote and how, but it is extremely important who will count the votes and how.""

Seems that other quote, and several others I thought were real, were made up on Facebook.

It's interesting that in this statement it takes into account HOW people vote and HOW votes are counted. I always knew the voting machines were a scam to rig the elections.

[notinkansas]

27. 'egregiously unqualified' is an understatement.

These cabinet appointments - all of them - are more diabolical. Deliberately unqualified.

[Martin Eden]

28. The primary qualification is fealty to Dear Leader, to whom sworn oath to our Constitution means nothing

But still, couldn't he find a sycophant more qualified than RFKJ for HHS?

It's almost like he wants millions of Americans to die of preventable disease. Who would want that other than Vlad Putin, perhaps?

Oh, wait. Nevermind.

[AverageOldGuy]

8. How long?

Never.
No one, no single event is going to save us. Trump dies, JD Vance (not his real name) along with Trump's cabinet and advisors just keep on trucking.

The whole crowd needs to go and they need to go so they never return. Besides, there are 70 million of them out there.

Purging us of this cancer may never happen.

[ChazInAz]

25. The Robespierre option seemed to work well.

The archtects of The Reign of Terror rode the tumbrels together.

[myohmy2]

11. I don't know...

...but we're definitely at a crossroads ...

..it seems like half the country no longer wants to be free and democratic...

...those that do want to be free and democratic are having a difficult time living with those that don't...

...you and your family have served us well...

...hang in there...

[Haru]

13. DJT

We need to continue to resist in all ways possible

[McKim]

37. Refuse to Participate in the Economy!

Take your money out of the stock market and put it in credit union CDs. Don't feed the monster. Stop shopping. Buy new as little as possible and only buy used stuff. Boycott what you can. Be ready for the General Strike.

[hunter]

38. Our credit union puts that money into car loans and second mortgages...

... for other customers, which is still participating in the economy.

Giving the money to food banks is participating in the economy.

Burning extra cash in your fireplace seems like it might be an effective way to reduce one's participation in the economy, but the government will just print more and they might not use it for good things.

Unemployment and homelessness is the most effective way to reduce one's participation in the economy but most people do not consider that a desirable lifestyle

Most of us are forced, to do work that is not making the world a better place, supposedly by "necessity." This needs to stop.

As a society I think we need to imagine what a Star Trek Next Generation economy might look like and head off in that direction.

"Make it so," as Picard would say.

A good start would be healthy food, safe comfortable housing, free educational opportunities for all, and universal healthcare. As a nation we have all the physical resources required to implement all of that today. We just have to quit fucking around in our bronze age xenophobic cults and do it.

[democrank]

14. I hope you believe that many Americans honor your service and your family's service.

Donald Trump and his rotten-to-the-core handlers and enablers are eventually going to be stopped by citizens who truly love this country and respect the Constitution and the rule of law.

We will do this by coming together and supporting one another. Citizens like you who have faced incredibly difficult circumstances during incredibly difficult times can help lead.

Don’t give up.

[onenote]

15. The 25th amendment won't be invoked unless Trump is in a coma.

A lot of folks asking for the 25th to be invoked haven't read it.

[patphil]

23. I agree. Trump would never go quietly.

JD Vance and a majority of the cabinet could vote to remove Trump, but if he objects, then it would take a 2/3 vote of both Houses of Congress to remove him.
https://www.rockthevote.org/explainers/the-25th-amendment/

Personally, if Trump resisted removal, and I was a Democrat in Congress, I would vote to keep him in power. The Republicans would only bring it to a vote if they were desperate to get him gone because he was severely damaging the party's ability to remain in power. I wouldn't want them to put Vance in the Oval Office, and continue on with business as usual, without the deranged lunatic's daily ranting and raving.
If he's in a coma, then all that's needed is Vance and a majority of Trump's cabinet.
If the decision is made to remove Trump, he could be "helped" into a coma.

[kimbutgar]

17. I've watched documentaries about Mussolini and the SS the last couple of days

It is so scary seeing the similarities between Germany and the US now. The orange pedo felon is worst than Mussolini, at least at the beginning of his reign of terror in Italy he did do things to help the citizens but as he stayed in power and started to align himself with Hitler he became an egomaniac. And Mussolini has the same facial expressions as the orange pedo felon. The SS was formed to appeal to young men to start their reign of terror of picking up Jews and taking them to concentration camps. So much like ghe bro culture being groomed by right wing podcasters and websites.

God help us survive this!

[Bev54]

18. I am afraid I don't have any confidence of any republicans doing the right thing.

It is wishful thinking that can only be put into action if enough people rise up and push at every level.

[hay rick]

20. Trump's visible physical problems look manageable.

Edema, indicated by swollen ankles, and easily bruised hands (and arms) are common symptoms in older adults who are otherwise sufficiently healthy to live additional decades. On the other hand, his cognitive and psychological decline have advanced to a point where he is incapable of managing any enterprise, let alone America's government. My belief is that the current authoritarian takeover is consistent with the predilections of Trump's personality disorder but is largely being managed by others behind the headlines. Trump is a useful idiot to other forces and is allowed to take his "cut" as a figurehead of the kleptocracy. His primary value to those forces is providing diversion from their sabotage and looting. His administration has already laid the foundation for unopposed authoritarian rule. The only missing piece is creating a system of foolproof sham elections- and they are working on it. If and when that piece is in place, Trump's risk as a loose cannon will exceed his value as a figurehead and he will be gone.

[Joinfortmill]

21. Keep the faith. Good will prevail. It's a goddamn constant fight, though.

[leftieNanner]

22. Oh, that wall.

The most powerful monument I've ever seen. I absolutely broke down and wept. And seeing the book at the front with the names in alphabetical order... A veritable phone book of names of dead young people.

My father fought in WWII in the South Pacific in the Navy. I also weep for the country he believed in and fought for.

[IbogaProject]

24. Wall Street funded Hitler and others

That chaos and carnage is merely coming home now.

[usonian]

26. We have power in numbers. A general strike is in order. (Repost)

Most "leaders" are hiding under a rock.

Others are speaking out.

Unlike Nazi Germany, SOMEONE or ones will do the right thing and stop the coup in its tracks. The US has too long a history of bravery and standing up to tyranny.

Who? That's for "Who" to decide.

There's the true story of Stanislav Petrov, a Russian who received a launch code for a retaliatory missile attack. He alone correctly concluded that the alert was erroneous, preventing a nuclear disaster.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24280831

He did the right thing.

[electric_blue68]

41. I knowTHAT story! A miracle.

[czarjak]

30. "What, have you got to lose?"?

It was a test!

[slightlv]

39. Too many times a day my thoughts rest on the thought:

I'm so glad Dad's not here to see this. He was such a proud man... proud of his service in WWII, proud of his country in fighting the "right war" for the "right reasons" and proud of his daughter when I enlisted in the 70's. Today would be even more heartbreaking for him than it is for me.

And I also wonder if trump will outlive me. I hate that thought! But I really hate the knowing that I'll be long gone before this country sets itself back on the right track, and rebuilds it's institutions and reputation. From protests and marches to service to the country, I tried to help leave a legacy of progress throughout my life, in most ways of course, small ones... after all, I'm no mover or shaker, just an ordinary person. But I honestly wanted... and tried... to leave the world better than when I entered it. I'm so disappointed at this point. Everything we tried to do (and sometimes they were misguided, tho we meant well)... and trump just renders them to toxic waste in a matter of months.

[Dem4life1970]

40. Thank you for your service!

It was not all for naught. This wannabe tyrant will soon be a footnote, on the ash heap of history. His "movement" will not outlive him. It is built on quicksand.

[red dog 1]

42. K&R

[debsy]

44. Jd doesn't have to pardon him for anything

The SCOTUS gave him full immunity from prosecution for anything he does in an official capacity. In other words, the president (the office for which you will never convince me DJT won fairly) is above the law.

[FakeNoose]

45. I guess that means Joe Biden is also above the law? And Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, etc.?

This whole concept of "Presidents are above the law" is a fluke that's going to disappear in a few years, the minute this country rights the ship. As soon as we get a course correction and fresh sanity in the Supreme Court.

The fact that a man as crazy as Chump could ever run for President of the USA is proof that we've been going down this road to insanity for way too long already. It has happened in other countries and innocent people have always paid a terrible price, along with the greedy & guilty who made it all happen.

I'm a Baby Boomer, born in 1951 and I blame my generation for being too lax and trusting of the governmental safeguards provided by our Constitution. We Boomers grew up in a bubble of safety, believing that the Constitution would always protect us from any kind of harm. Now we know the truth ... the Constitution only protects us as long as we're vigilant and ready to fight for it, and punish those who would rather abuse the system.

It starts with education, teaching the youngest Americans about equal rights, justice, fairness and "no one is above the law." The adults of today weren't taught those things and I place the blame squarely on us Boomers. We were the parents in the 1980s and 90s (many of us) who didn't make sure our kids were properly taught the concepts of civics, social responsibility, history, geography, etc. Now those poorly-taught kids have become the adults with no clue what their own children need to learn. It's going to be up to them to fix this mess, because our chances have been squandered. It's a sad situation and I don't have the answers.

I only know one thing: if I'd been living in Germany in the 1930s I wouldn't have been a "good German" and gone along with Adolf Hitler. But I also believe I would have felt powerless to stop him while he destroyed the country. That's what I'm seeing now in the USA, and I believe that many Boomers are also seeing it. How many Americans will stand up and fight for the Constitution while we still can? That's the big question.

[debsy]

49. Joe Biden was a principled president.

He knows in his bones that the constitution requires that no one person is above the law and he would never have behaved that way.

[debsy]

50. Furthermore,...

SCOTUS made the ruling that gave the president immunity from prosecution late in Biden’s presidency. If you recall, many were calling on him to use that ruling to break the law, which he did not do. The notion hadn’t been postulated for Clinton, Obama, or anyone prior to Joe Biden.

[debsy]

51. Finally, ...

I completely agree with everything you said!😃