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Totally Tunsie

(12,028 posts)
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 01:28 PM Aug 2025

Once again, they get it wrong.

KKKarolyn Leavitt, holding a press briefing today in the WH, announced that "President trump signed a directive today ordering flags to be flown at half-mast" (referencing the MN shooting).

Repeat after me, dumbbell: Staff if on land; Mast if at sea. Got it?

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Once again, they get it wrong. (Original Post) Totally Tunsie Aug 2025 OP
According to Wiki the terms are used "interchangeably ", yorkster Aug 2025 #1
I prefer the preferred manner. Totally Tunsie Aug 2025 #2
You know, I've been wondering if maybe yorkster Aug 2025 #10
LOL - Born and raised New Englander here too! Totally Tunsie Aug 2025 #11
Darn, there goes my theory..oh well. Cheers yorkster Aug 2025 #12
Back atcha'! Totally Tunsie Aug 2025 #13
Meh, I've seen and used both/either... Wounded Bear Aug 2025 #3
As a Marine, I bet you have Redleg Aug 2025 #5
Ooh-rah! nt Wounded Bear Aug 2025 #6
I am at half-staff right now. Redleg Aug 2025 #4
Isn't it supposed to be fully raised, then lowered to half? unc70 Aug 2025 #7
That is correct. Totally Tunsie Aug 2025 #8
When we see that particular obituary, I'll fly my flag at Jerry2144 Aug 2025 #9

yorkster

(3,953 posts)
1. According to Wiki the terms are used "interchangeably ",
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 01:45 PM
Aug 2025

though half-staff is "preferred" on land, er, shore.

Totally Tunsie

(12,028 posts)
2. I prefer the preferred manner.
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 01:58 PM
Aug 2025
https://www.federalflags.com/blogs/federal-flags/the-difference-between-half-mast-and-half-staff?srsltid=AfmBOooyISAG0mJd-4bV9SS2YsUWGB_jhPc9ABwLv6sk5sOfDpHf73Oh

Half-Staff Flags
It’s a bit of a custom in the English language to assign certain words exclusively to maritime use. Anyone who’s ever been on a recreational boat knows that left and right become “port” and “starboard,” or that front and back become “stem” and “stern.” American English observes a distinction between land and sea when it comes to flying flags in mourning. In the United States, therefore, flags flown on land are not flown from masts, but from staffs.

However, the United Kingdom and the rest of the English-speaking nations that once comprised the British Empire have had no qualms about bringing the term “half-mast” to dry land. The Associated Press Stylebook recommends “half-staff” in American usage, but a trip across the pond or even a trip across the Canadian border will find flags on land flying at “half-mast.” So, use the term “half-staff” at home in the States—unless, of course, you’re an inveterate Anglophile.

To summarize, "half-staff" is the term used for flags on land, particularly in the United States.
It is a term used to describe a flag that is raised halfway, between the top and bottom of the flagpole. When the American flag is flown at half-staff, it conveys a similar message of respect and mourning. This custom is most often observed following the death of a government official, military personnel, or in response to a significant national tragedy.

yorkster

(3,953 posts)
10. You know, I've been wondering if maybe
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 03:59 PM
Aug 2025

this is a regional thing. I've spent most of my life in New England, not far from the coast and have heard mast over staff most times. (Sounds painful, doesn't it?)
So maybe the British usage lingered longer here?
In any case, you are correct. No arguing with that source. But I may have to stick to the mast (!!) as it does roll off the tongue more easily, so to speak.
And yes, Leavitt is odious.





Redleg

(7,026 posts)
4. I am at half-staff right now.
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 02:07 PM
Aug 2025

It's just how I slump in my chair when I am sitting. Nothing dirty about it.

Jerry2144

(3,319 posts)
9. When we see that particular obituary, I'll fly my flag at
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 02:56 PM
Aug 2025

Double-staff. I’ll have to add an extension to the flag pole to make our taller. But not too tall, I don’t want the flag to burn from all the celebratory fireworks

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