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Ms. Toad

(38,824 posts)
8. No. But "trusting" the experts is not a feature of science.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 07:39 PM
Aug 2025

If that were the case, we would never have moved past trusting the experts who insisted that childbed fever could not possibly be related to pristine/moral doctors, or those who insisted that ulcers should be treated by bland diets and antacids. Just two of many examples where the experts got it wrong.

Science involves being informed by the evidence-based research, and rigorously proven theories (depending on what aspects of science you are talking about) - but not trust in people. AND - it involves being open to change as we learn more.

And health policy in the country should be informed by evidence-based research, and often experts are the best informed to help create policy based on current research. But, again, it has nothing to do with trust.

I know that isn't what RFK Jr. is talking about - because what he is doing is ridding the CDC of anyone in leadership roles who disagrees with the Trump/his political agenda; pretty much the exact opposite of how we learn more.

BUT what he is saying isn't batshit crazy. Trust in experts has little to no role in science.

Irish_Dem

(82,369 posts)
9. It's about trusting science based upon rigorous research methodology.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 08:08 PM
Aug 2025

Most people have had a basic science course and understand the concept of research to determine facts.
It's about trusting scientists who can prove their hypotheses and theories.

Well yes some experts get it wrong, but legitimate science gets more right than it gets wrong.
And certainly better than attorneys and health food advocates.

I am always puzzled by attorneys in one respect.
They love facts, data, evidence, truth.

But they seem to have no understanding of the scientific method and how those facts, data, truth
are determined. It starts with educated speculation which is then tested in or out.

But attorneys get very disturbed by this stage of the scientific method.
They simply don't understand this is how we start determining reality and facts.

I would love to see a basic scientific methodology class taught in law school.
In science and clinical programs we are always taught basic law and ethics.
And have to take continuing education classes on those topics.
Lawyers should take some science classes.

We can see RFK Jr has no idea what he is talking about on any given day.

womanofthehills

(11,036 posts)
5. Information keeps changing all the time
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 07:21 PM
Aug 2025

Experts told us not to eat eggs - that they would kill us. Now, experts tell us eggs are healthy for us.

Some experts produced studies saying aluminum is found in brains of Alzheimer patients and can contribute to Alzheimer’s while other experts say this aluminum in your brain is not dangerous and will not contribute to Alzheimers. All experts!!



I don’t see science as black and white but constantly changing with different interpretations.


Efilroft Sul

(4,463 posts)
10. His father's ghost is waiting for him to die just so he can piss on his dipshit son's grave.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 08:13 PM
Aug 2025

Junior isn't fit to be his father's namesake.

Jim__

(15,278 posts)
11. "We were told at the beginning of covid, Don't look at any data, don't do any research yourself, just trust the experts.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 08:36 PM
Aug 2025

Really? I don't remember that.

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