Vance taking over really means

[edhopper]

Peter Thiel will run the country.
As much as one would celebrate Trump leaving office, walking or wheeled out, a Thiel controlled Vance will not be any better.

[Arkansas Granny]

1. Vance doesn't have the cult like following that Trump has.

We could only hope that some MAGAts might open their eyes and ears and start seeing what is happening, if it's not already too late to stop it.

[hlthe2b]

17. That's my one hope... He comes across to much of MAGA as slimey and self-serving as he does to us...

And, his history of 180-degree turns in everything he "believes," and supposedly stands for, will be given a lot of "re-focus" should that happen. Trump could lie his way out of a straitjacket and head-to-toe chains. Vance? He will try, but...

[Bev54]

28. Yes, he will not have the support of the orange revelers. He doesn't have support of

many in congress either. Whether he may get their support with threats, like Trump does (along with blackmail and bribes), that is a question. I would hope they and everyone else would just laugh in his face, he is just another ick.

[MadameButterfly]

77. The key is whether Trump's brownshirts

would send death threats to anyone who defies Vance's demands or whether Republicans in Congress will reclaim their voices and start doing their jobs

[Silent Type]

37. Exactly. He wouldn't get away with much of trump's crud. That's not to say Vance would be a good Prez.

[Ohioboy]

38. I don't think Vance would be able to get away with as much as Trump

This is a cult, and Trump's their guy.

Trump can do dumb stuff and they don't care. Others can't get away with it. Look at the way they accept the all caps tweets from Trump, but when Newsom trolls Trump they think Newsom is being childish.

[yellow dahlia]

56. The most important point - Vance can't keep them in his spell.

Once people (even the cultists) realize what Thiel and others are up to...

[Nasruddin]

68. Civil War

I fear the chaos that might come should Vance replace the unnameable one in the middle of the term.
The ambitious and unprincipled (in both parties) have been held back for a long time, they will be free,
and it could be a free-for-all where Vance and Thiel are quickly overrun.

[markodochartaigh]

2. Vance will be more focused and bring in

a lot of the Republican "never-Trumpers". These are not good things.

[Wiz Imp]

12. Never Trumpers will NOT support Vance.

[Bev54]

29. Agreed!

[quakerboy]

42. 1) the who?

What percentage of voters do you suppose refused to vote for trump.. but will show up for vance?

Second... the loyalty is not to vance. The Only Trumpers are a big fraction of the republican party now.

I stand by my belief that trump will live long enough (no matter what miracles of science are needed) for the smarter Nazis to feel they have enough consolidated power to hold it without his cult, and then he will die shortly after (no matter what miracles of science are needed).

[markodochartaigh]

45. I think that the

"never Trumpers" are maybe 5% of the Republican party. It isn't a lot. But every percentage point matters to fight the gerrymandering and disenfranchisement that the Republicans are ramping up in probably every red state.

[quakerboy]

50. id trade 5% getting back in

For the 20% only trumpers dropping out any day

[Ars Longa]

57. I think Maga will (largely) NOT gravitate to Vance.. They are mostly

ONLY Trumpers!!! There will be interesting Power Struggles in and
around MAGA post Trump.

[CrispyQ]

3. And it will be done quietly & in secret. The drama will be gone.

But we deal with the pile of shit in front of us & then worry about the next pile.💩

It's never ending.💩💩💩

[jfz9580m]

55. !

I support this post
💩

[niyad]

4. He already is. The orange thing is not the one running things, he is merely

the bright, shiny thing.

[jayschool2013]

15. FIFY

the bright, slimy thing.

[Mz Pip]

5. Peter Thiel

And Curtis Yarvin. Yarvin is one scary guy. His ideas about government are bizarre. Dark Enlightenment would turn this country into a hell hole run by tech bros who don’t give a shit about anything.

[TheFarseer]

6. Right

In that case, get ready for AI and private equity to get even more out of control if that is possible.

[Wounded Bear]

7. Vance's ties to the Christofascists is pretty scary...

[Brainfodder]

8. Don't care, looking forward to his ouster for reasons as well?

[johnnyfins]

9. Whatever. If Vance becomes president

there are a whole lot of repubs that will be gunning for him in 28. They will eat him alive. He is NOT TSF. He will not have the control that TSF has over the GOP.

[JanMichael]

10. The last only way Vance is Prezeldent is if there are no 2028 elections

And Thiel and the other tech-nazis do a full Hitler/Pinochet take over.

[stopdiggin]

30. I think people are talking about a change happening BEFORE 28

i.e., Trump dies or becomes debilitated

[mountain grammy]

46. He's already debilitated.

[Seinan Sensei]

59. If he dies this week, then next week

PUBLISH THE EPSTEIN FILES

[stopdiggin]

65. don't quite understand why that would be important at that point

But, in any event - the DOJ will still be in the hands of Trump loyalists - correct?

[Jack Valentino]

60. "becomes" ??? LOL

[stopdiggin]

66. point! (but you know what I meant ..) -(nt)-

[Iggo]

43. Election, resignation, death, or incapacity.

I think the 25th covers those last two or three.

[peggysue2]

11. Yes, we're going to face the rise of the Tech Bros in government

With all their bizarre theories about governance and what the United States should and could be--their own personal piggybank and the celebration of privatization, AI and a unified North America for the elite.

The working class? Hahahaha.

The one good thing? Vance is supremely unpopular--no cult of personality available--and these 'geniuses' have no experience in actually running a government, let alone controlling nearly 350 million people. They are the elite MAGA rails against, hates and would love to obliterate. They are anti-democracy, pro-monarchy and would return to a construct of city states. They're proud of their pro-fascist roots and dream of a world run by corporations.

Feudalism here we come! Although in this case it's referred to as Techno-Feudalism.

Kings and serfs. Happy days!

[travelingthrulife]

76. Yup. They all think they want Lords and serfs again because they all think they will be the

powerful Lords rather than the powerless serfs. Doesn't work that way.

[peggysue2]

82. Yes!

Because they see themselves as far above the rabble. That would be the rest of us.

This man who will now be running the CDC (no medical background or public health expertise whatsoever) helped Peter Thiel develop his idea of floating island states where the rich geniuses would live and frolic and pull strings from afar.

The whole thing is some dark dystopian fantasy they wish to inflict on the world.

I've seen the movie.

[Blue Full Moon]

13. He will be removed quickly. No one likes him including republicans.

[Kaleva]

21. +1

[stopdiggin]

31. by what mechanism? next election is over 3 years off ...

[dlk]

14. Without a doubt

Vance will be much worse, if you can imagine. He will be able to get much more done, and not in a good way.

[Kaleva]

20. What makes you think Vance will get much more done?

[ProfessorGAC]

32. Good Question

I'd like to hear the answer to your question.

[dlk]

48. He's not as easily distracted as Trump

Vance functions at a much higher level than Trump. Do you disagree?

[Kaleva]

49. That could be said of Pence too.

But neither Pence or Vance have the very large, fanatical bunch of followers that Trump has.

[Cosmocat]

73. Correct

Vance is a brainless toady, but he won't be the relentless attention seeking child his boss is and won't purposefully light dozens of fires on the daily.

There would be what will be seen as a bit of a return to normalcy generally, but the Stephen Millers will continue to advance their agendas, their majorities in congress and the SC will back their plays.

[Gore1FL]

16. When Trump goes, everyone on the right will go for a power grab.

I expect infighting and inanity to be what's for dinner.

[Kaleva]

19. I agree

[Kaleva]

18. Vance doesn't have the hold over MAGA that Trump has

While Vance himself may not be any better then Trump, he will lack the ability to hold together the MAGAs

[Iris]

22. This. He won't be able to keep up his attempt at being "Everyman"

[question everything]

23. But, the "base" will not accept and cheer everything coming from the administration. We will finally see cracks

in their support, including among members of Congress.

[stopdiggin]

34. the first mention of Congress in the thread ... Thanks!

and it only took 23 posts!

[EllieBC]

24. Trump is like the head vampire though.

You remember the movie, “The Lost Boys?” The head vampire had to die to make all the others go away.

What I’m saying is Trump is a cult figurehead. He’s gone and all his stooges won’t have the same power.

We will be back to dealing with the shitty and awful but predictable GOP.

[paleotn]

36. Pretty good analogy. That's the thing about cults of personality...

There can be only one personality. Might be a few hangers on here and there, exploiting the cult where they can, but they don't control the cult masses in any way, shape or form. The masses and the hangers on disperse in the vacuum formed by the leaders exit.

[enigmania]

25. How to go from living

in "1984" to a Robert Silverberg novel in the space of one infarction.

[usonian]

26. When Trump kicks it, the Crypto Bro Troika will control currency, and hence Wall Street and the world.

Repost of https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20543966
Note on "Saint" Peter Thiel: Palantir co-founder Peter Thiel to lead 4-part series on the Antichrist
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218328156







NEW!
Why America’s new crypto regime makes other countries nervous

The U.S. is potentially providing a powerful vehicle for tax evasion and other illegal activity worldwide.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/07/31/crypto-tax-evasion-worldwide/
https://archive.is/marck

Has the United States decided to be the Switzerland of crypto? The laudable aim of the Trump administration’s landmark cryptocurrency legislation, eloquently exposited by Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, is to bring some much-needed regulatory clarity to the wild west of digital finance. However, by proffering an official stamp of approval, the U.S. is potentially providing a powerful vehicle for facilitating tax evasion and all manner of illegal activity worldwide.

It doesn’t have to be this way. Dollar-backed stablecoins — cryptocurrencies convertible one to one with dollars — are potentially the most important application of blockchain technology to date. This special class of cryptocurrency, which at present accounts for less than 10 percent of the $4 trillion crypto market, was the focus of the bill that is already law. To be fair, the act incorporated many good ideas, such as requiring that stablecoins be (almost) fully backed by safe, highly liquid assets, including Treasury bills and federally insured bank deposits.

Critics have pointed to the risks that, despite the precautions, there will still be runs on some stablecoins and that fraud will be rampant, particularly among the smaller players. These are serious concerns. The biggest one, however, which has thus far received only fleeting attention, is that the new law does too little to make stablecoin transactions as easy to audit as debit and credit card transactions are. Once out the door, stablecoins are tokens on a blockchain just like bitcoin and can change hands almost as anonymously as paper currency.

Yes, in principle, everything on the blockchain is public information, but crypto wallets can be held pseudonymously; you don’t have to reveal who you really are. On top of that, one can hold scores of wallets, and dollar stablecoin wallets can be issued outside the U.S. by unregulated entities, in addition to being traded abroad on lightly regulated exchanges. Sure, government sleuths can often find clues that help them figure out the true owner of a crypto wallet. They will certainly bear the necessary cost in the case of a major terrorism incident. This is hardly feasible on a routine basis, however. If crypto was that easy to trace, its appeal might collapse.

more at the link.
========================

Older Details here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016410516
(too long to copy)

This references:
The Trojan Horse Strategy: Institutional Bitcoin Accumulation as Network Capture
https://medium.com/@eddieoz/the-trojan-horse-strategy-institutional-bitcoin-accumulation-as-network-capture-fd906ff9b0b0

and
The Bitcoin Coup: How Crypto Accelerationists Engineered America's Financial Collapse
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220508380

In short, when the financial system collapses, the Crypto Troika run the country.

Any WHY do silicon valley snots feel that everyone else and every other institution is obsolete?
Because they are SUPERIOR.
Details:
The Musk/Silicon Valley (much of it) elitist vision.

Reboot' Revealed: Elon Musk's CEO-Dictator Playbook

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220003654


Silicon Valley Whistleblowers Warn Elon Musk 'Hijacking' Republicans to Control Entire US Government

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220008207 

These posts contain, or link to, important understanding of the twisted mentality of Elon and company.

Trump is toast. The Crypto Troika are taking over.

[paleotn]

39. The crypto bros lose all their supposed "power" when Trump disintegrates.

They have no significant power outside of Trump. Without him, they'll be running for the exits, with a reconstituted DoJ in hot pursuit. It isn't going to be pleasant for them.

Cash in while they can, boys, for tomorrow they're back to hawking crypto crap on shitty google ads. The ones who escape jail time anyway.

[misanthrope]

53. Why would the DOJ magically be "reconstituted"?

Those leading it currently are there because they are willing to supplicate themselves to power. Vance would keep them in place for those same obsequious traits.

[MLWR]

27. I seriously doubt

that the "Rs" in congress will bend the knee constantly to someone as totally unpopular as Shady.

[paleotn]

33. No, he won't. But easier to defeat in 2028.

He does not have the charisma of Trump. Really, he has no charisma at all. An empty suit. No more ability to lead a loyal cult following than DeSantis. Thiel hitched his wagon to the wrong horse. So much for his smarts. Or maybe it was the only horse available. The Repuke stable is full of nothing but old nags. Dems on the other hand. We've got some contenders.

[Kid Berwyn]

35. Can MAGA Re-Cult to Just Dance Vance the Couchhumper?

You are spot-on regarding Thiel. The guy thinks he's THE NAZI for the 21st Century.

In the following, Ruth Ben-Ghiat shared what "Veteran Supporting Democracy" wrote:

Peter Thiel silently steps in.

Trump’s move to have Elon Musk step aside wasn’t a retreat. It was a distraction. With Musk’s name out of the headlines, many assumed the controversial Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) had quietly ended. It hasn’t. It’s just changed hands.

Enter Peter Thiel, the billionaire founder of Palantir and close ally of Musk. Thiel and his company are now central to Trump’s newest plan: building a massive government-run database on every American.

Here’s what’s happening:

- Trump signed an executive order in March forcing government agencies to share data.

- Palantir, a company with deep ties to the far-right and known for building surveillance tools, has been tapped to lead the effort.

- DOGE has now been granted access to the U.S. Treasury Department.

- Palantir has already received over $113 million in government funds since Trump returned to office, and just secured a new $795 million contract with the Department of Defense. (Follow the money and see where it goes)

Palantir’s software is already being used inside the Department of Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, and more. The company is now in talks with the IRS and Social Security Administration to expand further. This means personal data, from tax returns to medical records, could soon be compiled in one place, under one administration, with little oversight.

This push began under Musk’s leadership at DOGE. Now it’s Thiel’s turn. And make no mistake, this is about power. With a centralized, government-controlled data system, Trump gains new tools to target critics, intimidate dissenters, and go after immigrants.

They want you to think the threat is gone. But it’s growing, and it’s being handed to people who have no business controlling our lives.

Stay informed. Stay loud. This isn’t over. Stop the billionaire takeover! “

-- Alt Park Service

Good people at NPS. Truly good people. And they're not afraid of billionaires juggling power saws.

[Katcat]

40. He won't get the maga people.

Seeing as they absolutely hate gay people he might as well just go back to Germany and become dictator there.

[Joinfortmill]

41. No, but I think it will break the Trump Fever Dream

[usonian]

44. LOL, Vance is Mini-Drax

[mercuryblues]

47. I think Vance and Theil may be slipping a little something

in his Big Macs.
Let's buy him some more...

[liberal N proud]

51. I don't think republicans will stand up for him as they have with the turd.

I don’t think he has the power of the threat.

[SSJVegeta]

52. I dont peg him as an actual dictator who is a complete sociopath

Last edited Mon Sep 1, 2025, 08:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Not... yet anyways?

[pat_k]

54. Don't forget that Vance blurbed Unhumans -- the far, far, far, far right dystopian fantasy of fascism saving the world.

They are all cut from extremist Christian Nationalism cloth with the addition of a level of extremism I have never seen in "mainstream" politics here. Seems pretty clear that Theil wants Vance as an American Viktor Orban. More likely, they have fantasies about Vance as Pinochet.

Opinion
Michelle Goldberg
JD Vance Just Blurbed a Book Arguing That Progressives Are Subhuman
Aug. 5, 2024

Paywall free link to NYTimes
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/opinion/jd-vance-fascism-unhumans.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Bk4.xGes.1_ONuyrQ-M2p&smid=url-share

...
One of their book’s heroes is the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco, who overthrew the democratic Second Spanish Republic in the country’s 1930s civil war. The authors call him a “great man of history” and compare him to George Washington. They quote him on what doesn’t work against the unhuman threat: “We do not believe in government through the voting booth. The Spanish national will was never freely expressed through the ballot box.”

Nakedly authoritarian ideas like this one are not uncommon in the dank corners of the reactionary internet, or among the sort of groups that led the Jan. 6 insurrection. “Unhumans” lauds Augusto Pinochet, leader of the Chilean military junta who led a coup against Salvador Allende’s elected government in 1973, ushering in a reign of torture and repression that involved tossing political enemies from helicopters.

Pinochet-inspired helicopter memes have been common in the MAGA movement for years. And as the historian David Austin Walsh wrote last year, there’s long been a cult of Franco on the right. Nevertheless, it’s extremely unusual for a candidate for vice president of the United States to openly align himself with autocratic terror.
. . .

[OldBaldy1701E]

75. "Pinochet-inspired helicopter memes have been common in the MAGA movement for years."

Now, I think that is a great idea.

Who should we drop right after that orange gibbon?

I am thinking Nosferatu McGoebbels. I doubt anyone else (except maybe that idiot in the HHS chair) in the regime has so much blood on their hands.

Vance as president is every bit as dangerous as that orange gibbon being there. Both are bought and paid for and both are trying to destroy everything because they can. (And, they have been convinced that doing so will make them a 'savior'.)

[jfz9580m]

58. It reminds me of those dark questions

Would you rather die by burning to death or being stabbed to death ?

That’s a legit both sideser.

I wouldn’t be able to pick between Trump and Vance. Which cancer would you like today? We have multiple myeloma and pancreatic cancer..

But strategically I guess Vance is better. Actually yeah, I can’t see him getting away with entirely destroying the US constitution as fast.


(Totally Legally Valid Disclaimer! I just make wisecracks online. Were Black Mirror’s “Hated in the Nation” even possible I am not for that shit. . Technologists and deregulatory forces bear all the responsibility for the chronic stress caused by technology these days. Not rando users who discuss politicians.)

[angrychair]

61. Plain and simple

The couch humper is NOT Mango Mussolini.
No matter how many times he changes his name, no matter how much money Dracula (Theil) and his buddies pump into a multimedia propaganda to prop him up, he has a non-white wife and kids, not that bright and a terrible liar.

Make no mistake Mango Mussolini was a useful idiot but the key difference is he had connections, a cult following and a pedigree.

The couch humper has none of that.

[NBachers]

62. How do Peter Thiel & Stephen Miller get along? Will Stephen retreat back to his crypt, or will he try to stay powerful?

Maybe Stephen would stick around as a toady, waiting for his chance to shank Peter and rise uber alles.

[Diraven]

64. What I'm afraid of

Is that Vance knows he's a weaker leader and does not have the devotion of a cult following, so he'll try something awful to "prove" that he's a powerful leader, something that the most fanatical MAGA faithful will cheer on and demand that everyone else fall in line to support. I can only image what that would be. Then he'll claim he's doing it to "honor Trump's vision", like he has a direct line to his ghost, just like MAGA currently views Trump as infallible because he's "God's will". And they will eat that up.

[summer_in_TX]

67. Great case made in "MAGA Dies With Trump: The One Thing Pundits Refuse to Admit"

JACK HOPKINS NOW
MAGA Dies With Trump: The One Thing Pundits Refuse to Admit
https://substack.com/home/post/p-172414848

JACK HOPKINS NOW
MAGA Dies With Trump: The One Thing Pundits Refuse to Admit
The “figurehead theory” is fantasy. MAGA isn’t transferable...it dies with the man.
JACK HOPKINS
AUG 31, 2025

MAGA Dies With Trump: The One Thing Pundits Refuse to Admit

The “figurehead theory” is fantasy. MAGA isn’t transferable…it dies with the man.

The Jack Hopkins Now Newsletter #515: Sunday, August 31st, 2025.

The Linchpin

Here’s the brutal truth: MAGA isn’t bigger than Trump. MAGA is Trump.

He’s the spark plug…the circus master…the one man who turned grievance into a political religion. Remove him…and you don’t get a smooth handoff. You get chaos… fragmentation…and erosion.

Yes…the anger will remain. Yes…the authoritarian current in America will keep flowing. But the singular juggernaut we call MAGA? That dissolves the moment he’s gone.

Because when the linchpin is removed…the whole machine comes apart.

He makes a strong case and I suspect it could play out sort of like he predicts.

[Farmer-Rick]

74. Yes, MAGA is a cult of personality

Would the German Nazi movement have continued if Hitler had died after he became Chancellor? No. When Stalin died his repressive policies quickly fell apart. No one in Italy maintained Benito Mussolini's Nazi fascist government policies.

Strong men dictators are cults of personality. Take away the personality and you got nothing much remaining.

[Morbius]

69. There's something y'all are forgetting.

If Donald Trump dies in office, Vance becomes President, yes. He will nominate, and the Senate will confirm, the next Vice-President.

Who that will be is the most interesting question, to me. The techno-fascists need someone charismatic after Trump, and Vance does not fit that bill.

[mikenash54]

70. So if Vance is President

Who becomes vice president?

[edhopper]

80. He picks whoever he wants,

and the GOP Congress will confirm him. No matter who it is.

[ihavenoidea]

71. Better than nothing🤷

Theyll prob take more time and be less direct trying to turn the US into dictatorship, so, if the half-mummified oompa loompa gets impeached we're not AS fucked as we would be otherwise🤷 it would create momentum and he has less blind-fanatics on his side. Thats just my 2 cents tho

[Snoopy 7]

72. listen to russia's

Don't forget what the russian's said when they found out about trumps pick as vp (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-state-tv-jd-vance-trumpier-trump-1926530). vance will do anything to please his russian bosses. vance is so money driven that he will play cut throat politics longer than his ailing "president" trump since trump is on a downward slide with his health.

[BlueKota]

78. My sister also said she thinks Vance will

probably be told to pick Stephen Milller as his VP. As if things couldn't get any worse.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

79. Exactly! Exchange the Orange sock puppet for the couch molester...

... how could anyone not see that coming down the pipe. They started with sock puppet Reagan, who being a propaganda film trained B grade actor, was great at standing in front of people and reading a script.

[JohnnyRingo]

81. One problem at a time.

It's like if your house is burning, you put it out before you worry about looters after.