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Uncle Joe

(65,538 posts)
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:12 PM Sep 2025

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's top scholars on the crime say

International Association of Genocide Scholars resolution backed by 86% of members who voted

The world’s leading genocide scholars’ association has backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.

Out of the International Association of Genocide Scholars’s (IAGS) 500 members, 28% took part in the vote. Of those who voted, 86% supported the resolution. The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”

The three-page resolution passed by the body calls on Israel to “immediately cease all acts that constitute genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinians in Gaza, including deliberate attacks against and killing of civilians including children; starvation; deprivation of humanitarian aid, water, fuel, and other items essential to the survival of the population; sexual and reproductive violence; and forced displacement of the population.”

The resolution said the IAGS recognised that “since the horrific Hamas-led attack of 7 October 2023, which itself constitutes international crimes”, the government of Israel had engaged in systematic and widespread crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide, including indiscriminate and deliberate attacks against the civilians and civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, homes and commercial buildings, of Gaza.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

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Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's top scholars on the crime say (Original Post) Uncle Joe Sep 2025 OP
Ya think??? Evolve Dammit Sep 2025 #1
In other news, scientists confirm gravity is a thing. thought crime Sep 2025 #13
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2025 #2
Anyone can lay claim to being one of "the world's top scholars on genocide" lapucelle Sep 2025 #3
You don't have to be a bona fide genocide scholar choie Sep 2025 #5
Correct. H2O Man Sep 2025 #8
I wouldn't call Senator Sanders a "bona fide genocide denier". lapucelle Sep 2025 #11
Of course not. H2O Man Sep 2025 #12
Nor do you have to be a bona fide genocide scholar lapucelle Sep 2025 #9
"Adolf Hitler" is a member. Mosby Sep 2025 #10
Ok, it's officially genocide now Sewa Sep 2025 #4
Democrats (77 - 11 percent) and independents (51 - 34 percent) think Israel is committing genocide, Ping Tung Sep 2025 #6
And a majority of elected Dems are silent Sewa Sep 2025 #7
Whistleblower reveals corruption of IAGS standards and practices in a rush to pass its anti-Israel genocide resolution. lapucelle Sep 2025 #14
I would agree with some of what you post but the entity most responsible for any Uncle Joe Sep 2025 #15
Like I've had to say twice already, "Quick, look over here!" does not work on me. lapucelle Sep 2025 #17
I was addressing your post. You're the one that brought up "journalistic integrity" without mentioning that Netanyahu, Uncle Joe Sep 2025 #18
My post corrects misinformation concerning a scam resolution. lapucelle Sep 2025 #19
Your post # 14 also blames the media without addressing Netanyahu's role in this. Uncle Joe Sep 2025 #20
Now that the truth is known about the anonymous resolution passed by a mere 21.8% of IAGS members, lapucelle Sep 2025 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Sep 2025 #25
Leila Fadel talked this up on NPR, harming NPR in the process gulliver Sep 2025 #16
Why should it be ignored? iemanja Sep 2025 #21
The poster above (lapucelle) makes it clear gulliver Sep 2025 #22
I most certainly will not agree iemanja Sep 2025 #23
No. Here is the response from the IAGS to Brown's failed attempt to delegitimise the resolution: Celerity Sep 2025 #26
Kick for the truth malaise Sep 2025 #27
IAGS, resolutions, personalities, and politicians aside indusurb Sep 2025 #28

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
2. Recommended.
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:11 PM
Sep 2025

Somehow it must stop. The UN should send troops to both Gaza and the West Bank, to remove all Israeli military and "settlers."

lapucelle

(21,129 posts)
3. Anyone can lay claim to being one of "the world's top scholars on genocide"
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:25 PM
Sep 2025

for the low, low price of $125 per year (automatically renewable!).

The International Association of Genocide Scholars

Become an IAGS Member!


https://genocidescholars.org/join/

choie

(7,003 posts)
5. You don't have to be a bona fide genocide scholar
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 01:44 AM
Sep 2025

to understand that what is happening in Gaza is genocide.

lapucelle

(21,129 posts)
11. I wouldn't call Senator Sanders a "bona fide genocide denier".
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 07:16 PM
Sep 2025
As of September 2025, Senator Bernie Sanders has been consistent in his position of avoiding the legal term "genocide" regarding Israel's actions in Gaza.


Collins challenges Sanders' response to allegations of genocide by Israel

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins asks Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) to address whether Israel's actions in Gaza can be classified as genocide.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/09/politics/video/israel-genocide-bernie-sanders-collins-source-digvid

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
12. Of course not.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:19 PM
Sep 2025

While he opts to not use the word "genocide," he doesn't deny it, either. I, like you, give him a pass on this, as he clearly finds what Netanyahu et al are doing in Gaza. It's not surprising that Bernie does not support killing itty-bitty children. Only truly disturbed people seek to justify it.

lapucelle

(21,129 posts)
9. Nor do you have to be a bona fide genocide scholar
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 07:04 PM
Sep 2025

to become a member of what is touted as "the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association".

All you need is a checkbook or credit card.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
10. "Adolf Hitler" is a member.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 07:10 PM
Sep 2025
UNBELIEVABLE: The organization that the BBC credited as "the world's leading association of genocide scholars" merely requires a $30 fee to join.

The International Association of Genocide Scholars has no background checks and members with names like "Adolf Hitler" are free to vote on resolutions accusing Israel of genocide.

After this was brought to light, the once easily accessible members list on the website was hidden.

Nothing shady going on here, right?


Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
6. Democrats (77 - 11 percent) and independents (51 - 34 percent) think Israel is committing genocide,
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 02:50 AM
Sep 2025

I guess that makes Democrats terrorists hiding behind civilians in Gaza.

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3929


Six in 10 voters (60 percent) oppose the United States sending more military aid to Israel for their efforts in the war with Hamas, while 32 percent support it.

This is the highest level of opposition and lowest level of support for the United States sending more military aid to Israel since Quinnipiac University first asked this question of registered voters on November 2, 2023, in the wake of the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7, 2023.

In today's poll, Democrats (75 - 18 percent) and independents (66 - 27 percent) oppose sending more military aid to Israel for their efforts in the war with Hamas, while Republicans (56 - 37 percent) support it.

Voters were asked whether their sympathies lie more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians based on what they know about the situation in the Middle East. Thirty-seven percent of voters say the Palestinians, while 36 percent say the Israelis, and 27 percent did not offer an opinion

lapucelle

(21,129 posts)
14. Whistleblower reveals corruption of IAGS standards and practices in a rush to pass its anti-Israel genocide resolution.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 12:36 PM
Sep 2025
In the rush to vilify Israel, genocide scholars ignored the truth

This week, [21.6%] the International Association of Genocide Scholars passed a resolution stating Israel is committing genocide in Gaza

Under normal circumstances, [genocide scholar Dr. Sara] Brown said, any member can propose a resolution, which goes before a committee for comments and feedback. Controversial or high-stakes resolutions are brought before a virtual town hall to discuss the text. This time, when the resolution was proposed on an IAGS listserv, Brown said that she and others attempted to publish a dissent that was deleted by the moderators.

“One of the executive board members who moderates the listserv refused to publish it and said they are going to have a town hall,” Brown recalled. “Weeks passed as we waited for the town hall … I reached out to ask the president of the executive board when it would happen, and was told ‘we don’t have to hold one and we’re not going to.'”

In addition, Brown said, the resolution was posted anonymously, and the executive board refused to reveal its authorship, an unusual move that “raised red flags.

“It’s very telling about the biases and agenda of the leadership that they refused to host a town hall … There is no interest in having a transparent dialog and debate about such an important and damning [resolution] in terms of the reputation of the IAGS,” Brown said.

https://jewishinsider.com/2025/09/international-association-of-genocide-scholars-resolution-israel-sara-brown/

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"86% of the members who voted" was the tip off.

Out of 500 members, 126 voted. In other words, 25.2% of the members voted for the anonymous resolution distributed through a listserv. 109 of the those who voted wanted the resolution passed.

In other words, 21.8% (not 86%) of the IAGS members voted in favor of the resolution vilifying Israel. And due to its "you too can be a genocide scholar if you pay us $30" policy, 20% of the IAGS members are currently located in Iran. That information was available to journalists at the time that the story about the scam resolution broke.

However, IAGS has deleted its twitter account and closed down access to its membership list in an effort at damage control concerning the scam resolution that 74.8% of the IAGS members did not vote for.

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The Guardian (and any other media outlet) that fell for this scam without doing even the most research should be ashamed.

Rage baiting clicks is a great way for the MSM to raise revenue, but a downright disgusting abrogation of journalistic duty.

Uncle Joe

(65,538 posts)
15. I would agree with some of what you post but the entity most responsible for any
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 03:27 PM
Sep 2025
"abrogation of journalistic duty" in regards to covering the probable genocide and definite ethnic cleansing taking place in Gaza is Netanyahu's government in barring the world's journalists from covering this on going tragedy while deliberately targeting, and breaking records in the killing of Palestinian journalists that are or were in Gaza.

The truth will set you free and apparently Israel's government is doing everything under the sun to hide truth from the world. They wouldn't even allow U.S. Senators to fly in air drop flights over Gaza.

_____________________________________________

Senator Chris Van Hollen has said Israel has denied him and Senator Jeff Merkley permission to join a Jordanian flight to airdrop food in Gaza.

“Netanyahu is restricting aid trucks into Gaza — the best way to get food to starving people there — so Jordan is delivering some with air drops,” Van Hollen wrote on X.

“The Jordanians said Senator Jeff Merkley and I could join one of those flights to see the devastation, but Israel denied authorisation for our scheduled flight.”

He added that Israel had also denied the duo’s entry into Gaza to “see first-hand the destruction” of Gaza.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1938673/us-senators-say-israel-denied-their-entry-to-gaza-participation-in-airdrop-flight

___________________________________

Apparently Senator Chris Van Hollen still has his Twitter/X account and one can view him and Senator Jeff Merkley's statement on this link.

The circumstantial evidence for genocide is overwhelming and one can't blame Hamas for not allowing baby food into Gaza.

Power abhors a vacuum, that includes journalistic power, and Netanyahu has no one to blame but himself and the fascist members of his government for the world drawing its' own conclusions based in large part on his actions; which are visible.

Uncle Joe

(65,538 posts)
18. I was addressing your post. You're the one that brought up "journalistic integrity" without mentioning that Netanyahu,
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 04:03 PM
Sep 2025

and his fascist government is preventing the world's journalists from entering Gaza to cover it.

Uncle Joe

(65,538 posts)
20. Your post # 14 also blames the media without addressing Netanyahu's role in this.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 05:07 PM
Sep 2025
"The Guardian (and any other media outlet) that fell for this scam without doing even the most research should be ashamed.

Rage baiting clicks is a great way for the MSM to raise revenue, but a downright disgusting abrogation of journalistic duty."

lapucelle

(21,129 posts)
24. Now that the truth is known about the anonymous resolution passed by a mere 21.8% of IAGS members,
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 07:08 PM
Sep 2025

(in violation of the group's usual principles and practices) hopefully anyone who spread misinformation by failing to vet the details will correct and/or retract.

Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #20)

gulliver

(14,075 posts)
16. Leila Fadel talked this up on NPR, harming NPR in the process
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 03:34 PM
Sep 2025

I'm a long-time supporter of NPR. Leila Fadel talked with IAGS on Morning Edition last week.

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/02/nx-s1-5524995/group-of-scholars-declares-israels-actions-in-gaza-meet-definition-of-genocide

Not good. It harms NPRs reputation, because the resolution is of less validity than an online poll.

Fadel needs to retract. There's no way anyone in the legitimate media doing due diligence with regard to the facts would have done anything with this IAGS resolution except ignore it.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
21. Why should it be ignored?
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 05:28 PM
Sep 2025

2 million lives are at stake. If there were any decency in this world, all nations would be aligned in stopping it.

gulliver

(14,075 posts)
22. The poster above (lapucelle) makes it clear
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 05:34 PM
Sep 2025

But search the Internet for yourself if you doubt those posts. I think you'll come to agree (as I did) that the "resolution" is unscientific and unscholarly at best, deliberately propagandistic misinformation at worst. That discredits whoever propagates it, and it weakens any legitimate arguments they might have. In this case, it's bad both for the NPR (as I argue in my post) and Palestinians. Fadel should retract.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
23. I most certainly will not agree
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 05:53 PM
Sep 2025

Do you believe Israel has the right to kill 2 million Palestinians?

Celerity

(54,890 posts)
26. No. Here is the response from the IAGS to Brown's failed attempt to delegitimise the resolution:
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 07:31 PM
Sep 2025
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/genocide-scholar-says-group-pushed-through-israel-condemnation-without-debate/amp/

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Emily Sample, the association’s communications officer, rejected Brown’s account of the process. Town hall discussions are not required by the association’s bylaws and have not happened for all resolutions, Sample said, adding that open discussions on the association’s list serve were too unwieldy to moderate and there were few requests from members for an open discussion about the resolution against Israel over its war with Hamas in Gaza.

“We felt, and the authors of the resolution felt that there was sufficient contextual information for all of the scholars in the community to make their own informed decision before the vote,” she said. “The space for discussion is through articles and other publications.” Sample said the proportion of voting members — below 30% — was “pretty standard” and “represents a much larger percentage of the organization that did support this.”

The vote adhered to the association’s bylaws, which require a 20% quorum for a resolution, and, among that voting group, two-thirds support to pass, she said. The resolution passed with 86% support. She confirmed that the association was open to non-scholars such as policymakers and civil society members who are interested in genocide, but said that, “We are not accepting large swaths of activists who are anti-Israel.”

indusurb

(348 posts)
28. IAGS, resolutions, personalities, and politicians aside
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 07:42 PM
Sep 2025

One has but to look what is happening, and what is planned and you can see Israel is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. It is as obvious as the sun in the sky, and if you deny what is going on in Gaza, then you are ethically, morally, with a lacking of any sort of empathy. There is no need to debate who or what is a legit source to say what is genocide, just look, truly look for yourself.

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