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bigtree

(94,667 posts)
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 07:02 PM Sep 2025

"Have we truly lost all sense of sanity in this nation that we treat this as normal?"

The Bulwark @BulwarkOnline
Gov. Pritzker: “When did we become a country where it’s ok for the U.S. president to insist on national television that a state should call him to beg for anything, especially something we don’t want? Have we truly lost all sense of sanity in this nation that we treat this as normal?”

"We have reason to believe that Stephen Miller chose the month of September to come to Chicago because of celebrations around Mexican Independence Day that happen here every year," Pritzker said. "It breaks my heart to report that we have been told ICE will try and disrupt community picnics and peaceful parades. Let's be clear: the terror and cruelty is the point, not the safety of anyone living here."

"[They said] they will begin operations here sometime in the coming week," Pritzker said in an exclusive interview earlier Tuesday. "That - literally after two weeks of all this talk about troops on the ground - that's the first time we've heard from the federal government on this."

In a Tuesday press conference from the White House, President Donald Trump called Chicago a "hell hole," and said he will in fact send National Guard troops in.

"If the governor of Illinois would call me up, I would love to do it,” he said. “Now, we're going to do it anyway. We have a right to do it.”

Pritzker responded by saying, "I refuse to play a reality game show with Donald Trump again."

"When did we become a country where it's OK for the US president to insist on national television that a state should call him to beg for anything, especially something we don't want? Have we truly lost all sense of sanity in this nation that we treat this as normal?" Pritzker said.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/pritzker-believes-staging-for-federal-enforcement-in-chicago-has-already-begun/3818551/


Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker press conference today:


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"Have we truly lost all sense of sanity in this nation that we treat this as normal?" (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2025 OP
What will happen if the Illinois National Guard blocks the invaders? Whose authority rules? question everything Sep 2025 #1
I'd advise against that, just to avoid the confrontation between Americans bigtree Sep 2025 #2
First thing they must do is cancel the celebrations, do not give these thugs the opportunity to do anything, Escurumbele Sep 2025 #25
I think so, too bigtree Sep 2025 #32
Illinois NG can be nationalized. Sneederbunk Sep 2025 #3
Yep, it's 100% going to be the same shit he pulled in LA. Citing some archaic law and "federalizing" their NG without Karasu Sep 2025 #8
If MAGA sets that precedent newdeal2 Sep 2025 #9
They are very clearly attempting to cement permanent control and aren't planning to have any more elections that are Karasu Sep 2025 #16
So that is Gov. Pritzker -- I am thoroughly impressed Hekate Sep 2025 #4
100% agreed! I'm liking the way this new front line is shaping up in both Maru Kitteh Sep 2025 #14
He's the best Illinois governor in my lifetime. By far. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2025 #30
People will open carry and the military better be careful! BidenRocks Sep 2025 #5
You might want to listen to Pritzker's speech first, as he KNOWS Trump/Hegseth are jonesing... Hekate Sep 2025 #31
I grew up with the Gulf of Tonkin incident? BidenRocks Sep 2025 #34
Sad to say, yes we have. ananda Sep 2025 #6
It's too bad Trump didn't have this attitude about deploying troops on 1/6/2021. Prof. Toru Tanaka Sep 2025 #7
Absolutely! He blamed Nancy Pelosi. KitFox Sep 2025 #13
A few months ago, he blamed NIKKI HALEY for not calling National Guard! 70sEraVet Sep 2025 #22
Oh geez! I missed that! Gawd, we are stuck in the twilight zone with this unhinged imbecile! KitFox Sep 2025 #33
Trumps actions on 1/6 were planned. hadEnuf Sep 2025 #15
Who would expect him to deploy the NG on Jan 6 when the insurrection was his plan? Escurumbele Sep 2025 #27
Yes lonely bird Sep 2025 #10
One state needs to arrest a bunch of these masked, badgeless , nameless, thugs ....... mjvpi Sep 2025 #11
K&R UTUSN Sep 2025 #12
Trump ignores laws but those who fight back don't; so far. twodogsbarking Sep 2025 #17
This message needs to be spread far and wide. kentuck Sep 2025 #18
Can the Illinois National Guard not be called up to protect celebrations, to ensure Bev54 Sep 2025 #19
President Trump and the GOP have lost their sanity. surfered Sep 2025 #20
Normal for Republican governing. republianmushroom Sep 2025 #21
January 20th, 2025. Ray Bruns Sep 2025 #23
We have an administration of bullies and deviants. Martin68 Sep 2025 #24
I thought the Republican Party is the party of state's rights ? paulrevere2018 Sep 2025 #26
It can be summed up in two words: FOX NEWS. Initech Sep 2025 #28
So.....is it the plan to put us all in jail so we can't vote!??? diverdownjt Sep 2025 #29

bigtree

(94,667 posts)
2. I'd advise against that, just to avoid the confrontation between Americans
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 07:13 PM
Sep 2025

...Trump will likely overreach and Illinois will have to look to the courts to restore or assert the primacy of the state in military deployments.

The caution for the governor would be the likely claim of an 'emergency' by the administration along the lines of the one they're operating under with their immigration raids. That's likely why they included that element in the planned invasion and occupation of Illinois.

The 'emergencies' have yet to be directly addressed by any court, but there's an air of compliance and complicity in the courts, especially the Supreme Court, so he's going to need to bend, at least initially.

The LA decision isn't much cover because that judge limited the ruling to LA, and left 300 troops in place, essentially telling them to behave in the future.

Escurumbele

(4,109 posts)
25. First thing they must do is cancel the celebrations, do not give these thugs the opportunity to do anything,
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 04:33 PM
Sep 2025

next year, when things change, and I believe they will change, they can resume them.

Best thing is to keep everyone away from the thugs, have watch groups who can advice where they are, if the thigs f=go this way, then everyone leave, or go the other way, keep them guessing, but don't allow them to commit their crimes.

Karasu

(2,066 posts)
8. Yep, it's 100% going to be the same shit he pulled in LA. Citing some archaic law and "federalizing" their NG without
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 09:16 PM
Sep 2025

having to give so much as a fucking justification. Because "crime."

newdeal2

(5,601 posts)
9. If MAGA sets that precedent
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 09:23 PM
Sep 2025

They will be sorry one day. They will face the consequences under a future president.

Karasu

(2,066 posts)
16. They are very clearly attempting to cement permanent control and aren't planning to have any more elections that are
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 03:40 AM
Sep 2025

both free and fair, but one can hope.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
4. So that is Gov. Pritzker -- I am thoroughly impressed
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 07:32 PM
Sep 2025

We actually have seen this “beg me” behavior from Trump before — during the Covid pandemic. Trump is without question a sadist, and he appoints sadists to do his bidding.

Maru Kitteh

(32,009 posts)
14. 100% agreed! I'm liking the way this new front line is shaping up in both
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 09:42 PM
Sep 2025

substance and style. Pritzger was quite impressive indeed!

greatauntoftriplets

(179,343 posts)
30. He's the best Illinois governor in my lifetime. By far.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 05:13 PM
Sep 2025

It's hard to reckon that with his being a billionaire, but J.B. is the exception to the rule.

BidenRocks

(3,487 posts)
5. People will open carry and the military better be careful!
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:16 PM
Sep 2025

They are out manned and outgunned.

If the military attacks us on illegal orders, veterans will lead the resistance.

Sniper attacks and drones. Just like Ukraine.

Will OUR military follow a diktator or the Constitution?

Many lives depend on that decision!

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
31. You might want to listen to Pritzker's speech first, as he KNOWS Trump/Hegseth are jonesing...
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 06:18 PM
Sep 2025

…. for an excuse, any excuse, to gun you down and declare martial law on the rest of us.

Therefore Gov. Pritzker is advising Chicagoans to chill out and go about their business.

But I get the impression from what you wrote that you yourself want a bloody battle. Yes? That’s what you describe.

BidenRocks

(3,487 posts)
34. I grew up with the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 10:47 PM
Sep 2025

Chump doesn't need an excuse. Like that small boat getting blown up because he says so?

What happens after he invades the fifth, sixth ... city?

This books been written.

Resist!

ananda

(35,504 posts)
6. Sad to say, yes we have.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:45 PM
Sep 2025

Not only are so many minds descending into madness
and chaos, coupled with abject cruelty... but the world
around us is being systematically destroyed and will
be made unliveable sooner rather than later.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,958 posts)
7. It's too bad Trump didn't have this attitude about deploying troops on 1/6/2021.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:59 PM
Sep 2025

If I remember correctly, he claimed he didn’t have the authority to do so.

70sEraVet

(5,615 posts)
22. A few months ago, he blamed NIKKI HALEY for not calling National Guard!
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 01:11 PM
Sep 2025
"Nikki Haley, you know they, do you know they destroyed all of the information, all of the evidence, everything, deleted and destroyed all of it. All of it, because of lots of things like Nikki Haley is in charge of security. We offered her 10,000 people, soldiers, National Guard, whatever they want.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-confuses-nikki-haley-pelosi-talking-jan-6-rcna134863
You know, he's that genius who can supposedly remember a string of five words -- and "they said, we've never seen anything like it!"

KitFox

(596 posts)
33. Oh geez! I missed that! Gawd, we are stuck in the twilight zone with this unhinged imbecile!
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 09:21 PM
Sep 2025

hadEnuf

(3,657 posts)
15. Trumps actions on 1/6 were planned.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 09:53 PM
Sep 2025

His actions now are planned. It's never been a question of his attitude.

His actions and the actions of those who run him are as clear as day. They have crossed too many lines already and it's just going to continue.

Escurumbele

(4,109 posts)
27. Who would expect him to deploy the NG on Jan 6 when the insurrection was his plan?
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 04:37 PM
Sep 2025

He helped the insurrection exactly the best way he could, by allowing them to destroy and try to stop the confirmation, anyone who expected the opposite has not realized yet who trump is.

mjvpi

(1,935 posts)
11. One state needs to arrest a bunch of these masked, badgeless , nameless, thugs .......
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 09:30 PM
Sep 2025

And hold them on state charges with no bail. IL might be pissed enough. J

Bev54

(13,517 posts)
19. Can the Illinois National Guard not be called up to protect celebrations, to ensure
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 11:29 AM
Sep 2025

no masked ice allowed without specific warrants and if they have specific warrants that the local law enforcement will go with one ice agent to pickup the individual in a lawful manner?

Ray Bruns

(6,725 posts)
23. January 20th, 2025.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 01:17 PM
Sep 2025

"When did we become a country where it's OK for the US president to insist on national television that a state should call him to beg for anything”

Initech

(109,262 posts)
28. It can be summed up in two words: FOX NEWS.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 04:41 PM
Sep 2025

Fox News is the worst thing that's happened to the United States since the Civil War. Hell other countries are importing Fox' brand of fascism and making it their own (see: Hungary, Russia, etc). It's scary. Fox is the enemy of freedom, common sense, and basic human decency.

diverdownjt

(747 posts)
29. So.....is it the plan to put us all in jail so we can't vote!???
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 04:51 PM
Sep 2025

If you think all the internment camps are for the mexican's? Trump is deploying troops into blue cities so when he announces no more elections the nat. guard will already be there to quell the riots. Anyone rioting(protesting) will be arrested and off to the camp with you.

This is my fear. I'm a registered voter. My address is known in a voter database....is it so unreasonable...not to be a possibility.
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