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In It to Win It

(12,828 posts)
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 10:55 PM Sep 2025

#BREAKING: 5th Circuit holds that Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act against Tren de Aragua is unlawful

#BREAKING: Fifth Circuit (Southwick & Ramirez, JJ.) holds that President Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act against Tren de Aragua is unlawful, and blocks AEA removals in the Northern District of Texas (over a lengthy dissent from Judge Oldham):

www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub...

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-09-03T02:28:48.200Z

A different majority (Southwick & Oldham, over Ramirez’s dissent) holds that the notice currently provided to AEA detainees satisfies due process—which doesn’t matter that much if they can’t be lawfully removed under the statute.

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-09-03T02:31:56.177Z

This obviously won’t be the last word here. The question to me is just whether DOJ goes straight to #SCOTUS or seeks rehearing en banc from the Fifth Circuit first.

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-09-03T02:32:45.496Z

And as a reminder, this ruling has no immediate effect because #SCOTUS *already* blocked any AEA removals from the Northern District of Texas back in May.

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-09-03T02:35:24.620Z
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#BREAKING: 5th Circuit holds that Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act against Tren de Aragua is unlawful (Original Post) In It to Win It Sep 2025 OP
Good? OldBaldy1701E Sep 2025 #1
Good. His use of the Alien Enemies Act to rush deportations of people he labels as "Tren da Aragua" is illegal In It to Win It Sep 2025 #2
Yes, I understand that. OldBaldy1701E Sep 2025 #3
To be determined. In It to Win It Sep 2025 #4
Deadline: Legal Blog-The Trump Justice Department has lost the benefit of the doubt with (some) judges LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2025 #5
K&R UTUSN Sep 2025 #6

In It to Win It

(12,828 posts)
2. Good. His use of the Alien Enemies Act to rush deportations of people he labels as "Tren da Aragua" is illegal
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 12:50 AM
Sep 2025

OldBaldy1701E

(11,553 posts)
3. Yes, I understand that.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 01:03 AM
Sep 2025

But...

Will they actually stop? They have ignored judges telling them to stop deportations before... pled ignorance of timelines to squeeze more trips in... hired private contractors so that they don't have to use 'official transportation'

Hell, their labeling of people by questionable (and obviously arbitrary) criteria is profiling anyway.

I am afraid that they will just pull the 'Who, me??' and stall the court while they keep on sneaking in transports.

LetMyPeopleVote

(182,091 posts)
5. Deadline: Legal Blog-The Trump Justice Department has lost the benefit of the doubt with (some) judges
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 05:45 PM
Sep 2025

A new ruling on the Alien Enemies Act provides a snapshot of the “presumption of regularity” that previous administrations have enjoyed.



https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-justice-department-lost-benefit-doubt-judges-rcna228763

The “presumption of regularity” is a boring-sounding but important phrase in the law. It signals the deference that courts have historically given the government. One of the Trump Justice Department’s latest legal losses highlights how his DOJ has lost that good faith from the judiciary — or some of the judiciary, anyway.

The latest defeat came late Tuesday from a divided panel of judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit. The topic was the Alien Enemies Act, the 18th-century law that President Donald Trump invoked to deport alleged Venezuelan gang members. The panel majority granted a preliminary injunction against the administration’s use of the law for deportations in Northern Texas......

In granting the injunction Tuesday, the 5th Circuit majority had to analyze the likelihood that the plaintiffs would suffer irreparable harm without preliminary legal relief. Siding with the plaintiffs, the majority cited (among other things) previous litigation at the Supreme Court where the justices sided with plaintiffs despite the government’s assurances. The two judges in the majority on the 5th Circuit panel were George W. Bush appointee Leslie Southwick and Joe Biden appointee Irma Ramirez.

In a lengthy dissent, Trump appointee Andrew Oldham was bothered by (among other things) the majority refusing to give greater deference to the government. More dramatically, Oldham accused the majority of suggesting that DOJ lawyers are lying. “If they are, I suppose they should be sanctioned. But it is astounding to say that lawyers from the United States Department of Justice are lying,” wrote the judge, who’s a contender for any Supreme Court vacancy that emerges under Trump......

Oldham’s complaint calls to mind Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s recent complaint that her colleagues invariably find a way to side with the administration, lamenting that the high court is playing a version of “Calvinball” in which “this Administration always wins.”

If this latest Alien Enemies Act litigation makes it to the justices, it can provide the latest test of whether Oldham’s or Jackson’s views are vindicated.

This is a decision from the 5th Circuit which surprised me. If the trump administration loses the presumption of regularity, then you will see more decisions like this

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