Epstein Victims for Trump?

[BaronChocula]

"I voted for him. I voted for trump and for him to say what he is saying is beyond me because I put my hope in him, and he's supposed to protect us, and for him to say that this is a joke and it's sides, this is not sides."
- Jena-Lisa Jones
Just now on Lawrence

That says a lot.

[newdeal2]

1. Well that's a scary thought

But we've seen plenty of other odd examples: Gays for Trump, Latinos for Trump, etc.

[BaronChocula]

3. Windmills for for Trump, Bic Macs for Trump

It just doesn't end

[GreenWave]

35. Basically any non rich that vote for the GOP...

Voting that way is bad for them.

[EnergizedLib]

2. When will they ever learn?

There’s only one stinking person in the whole wide universe trump cares about, and it’s the one he sees in the mirror.

The sooner people see that, the more sense everything makes.

He has yet to show any limits to his depravity or that any low is too low for him.

[BaronChocula]

4. Maybe Jena-Lisa Jones learned today

Hopefully.

[chicoescuela]

7. I doubt it

[chowder66]

5. Her whole story was hard to hear but to cognitively disconnect and vote for a sexual predator boggles my mind.

[Ilsa]

6. Sadly, she's confused. She's so victimized, she didn't learn

anything in Civic or Government or Political Science classes. I hope someone helps her understand the job of a president.

I guess she never heard about Krasnov being sued for sexual battery and sexual assault of a minor. I'm shocked any of them voted for trump given his long time association with their rapist. It makes no damn sense.

[EnergizedLib]

8. If any of this made sense

He’d have been laughed off the stage in 2015 and would’ve been locked up for all his crimes.

Maybe in an alternate, fairer universe, he is.

[BaronChocula]

9. She had also mentioned in her comments

in front of the Capitol that she still deals with issues of blaming herself. And I think that mindset is related to the mental frame of many maga women, whether or not they've been the victims of child sexual assault/rape.

[Ilsa]

10. Yeah, she's still dealing with PTSD. nt

[The Wizard]

11. Vermin for Trumple4Skin

[elleng]

12. There was at least another.

[stopdiggin]

13. yeah. commented on this total mind f*ck on another thread.

I suppose one could ask, "What were you thinking, dear .. ?"

But, really ... Why bother ?

[H2O Man]

14. Perhaps

she believed the campaign promise to make the Epstein files public.

[stopdiggin]

17. and that would have been enough ... ?

Sorry. Brain is still bleeding ...

( In fairness - which I generally lean real hard toward - there is probably always a way to construct something semi-plausible ... Rationale, justification ... If one works at it hard enough. But, frankly - with this situation - I'm just not going to bother. )

[H2O Man]

18. See response #16.

Blaming victims for future questionable behavior is an unattractive way of viewing others.

[stopdiggin]

23. so victims are not held accountable for future behavior(s) .. ?

Wrong is now OK - if you have enough check marks and qualifiers by your name? Nope. Not thinking that works all that well either.

How about we just say she's another Trump supporting assh*le .. and be done with it? They're a dime a dozen anyway. And, as stated previously - I really don't have the time, energy - or indeed the interest ... To deconstruct the various rationale ...

The OP handled quite nicely. 'Victims For Trump!" Step right up! Line forms to the right ...

[BaronChocula]

36. Thank you!

What if we discovered tomorrow that What's-his-felon was the victim of abuse when he was younger, which drives his behavior today. I certainly wouldn't let him off the hook.

[John1956PA]

29. Yes. And, perhaps, the canard that Trump turned against JE in 2003 after learning of his perversions.

[Celerity]

15. Video

[H2O Man]

16. Heavens.

Epstein & Maxwell were predators who would target vulnerable girls. The girls were then exploited sexually (aka raped) by powerful adults. It amazes me that anyone would be so shallow to anticipate that many of them would not be well-rounded adults.

[BaronChocula]

25. I don't think the self-identifying republican victims

are republican because of the abuse. I don't think they voted for trump because of the abuse. I just think they're like so many other people in their demo who are rote republicans.

They testified in court (at least one of them did) against Maxwell. They hold Maxwell and Epstein accountable for their crimes. That alone shows an ability to overcome some of that trauma. I don't take their courage to come forward for granted. But I also don't find it unreasonable or shallow to note their political support of such a close associate of Epstein and Maxwell knowing what we know about said associate.

Not every observation about someone in this case is blaming the victim.

[H2O Man]

30. Interesting.

I started my career in social work dealing with domestic -- or family -- violence. Children, parents, spouses/SO, and a few grandparents. Mainly children & teens who were neglected and/or abused. Many of those cases ended up with kids being put in foster care. Without a single exception, every single one wanted to return to the abusive situation. This was almost always true with abused spouses. They identified their being in terms of their abusers.

Judging people is a common sport these days. It is one thing, in my opinion, to judge an abuser ..... an Epstein, Maxwell, and felon in the White House. Or the Stephen Millers of the world. It is quite another to blame victims. And I did not say "every observation about someone in this case is blaming the victim," any more than you have.

Malcolm X said don't judge people for not knowing something you know, for there was a time when you didn't know it, either. One of the greatest things about Malcolm was that his ministry wasn't with the high & mighty, but to rescue broken people, most often found on the margins of society. That included drug addicts and people in jail. The victims of Epstein, no matter how strong and intelligent, still have to deal with the incarcertion of their being in years past.

[BaronChocula]

31. I feel like you think my post was a judgement.

I was careful not to judge. I simply made an observation that stoked my curiosity. Am I critical of her choice? absolutely as I'm sure many other people would be.

Just to dig a little deeper though, it seems you're assuming she voted for trump as a result of the abuse. That's what I'm getting from your inclusion of your experience with abused people. I'm not making that same assumption.

I have a friend who, as an adult is finally realizing that he can't have a relationship with a father who did a lot of damage. He readily attributes dysfunctional behavior in anyone he sympathizes with as trauma since that's his experience. I've explained to him that trauma is not the only root of dysfunction in the population. As Malcolm X also said, some people are just figgin' pricks. OK, I can't find that he said that, but I'm pretty sure he thought it once or twice.

[H2O Man]

32. He didn't say that.

Seems to be a pattern of attributing things people didn't say.

[RainCaster]

19. Her choice in people hasn't improved thru the years

Complete lack of judgement.

[ecstatic]

20. Why don't they see what we see? It's so mind-boggling

To me, his flaws and criminality are so obvious and blatant. Why do so many people, including sexual assault survivors, have a hard time seeing it? What am I missing?

[tazcat]

21. Unbelievable. After access Hollywood tape, rape accusations, dishonoring John McCain, and on & on. Tuned her OUT! WTF???

[BidenRocks]

22. Stockholm Syndrome

Is that still a thing?

[JI7]

24. Even people who are victimized can have prejudices and bad views

[BaronChocula]

26. That's definitely one lesson here.

Just peculiar how they (those specific republicans) would be willing to come forward and hold Epstein and Maxwell accountable while giving trump the pass.

[RockRaven]

27. Even abuse victims can have dogshit for brains. nt

[MrWowWow]

28. Experience is a dear school but....

a fool will learn in no other.

-Ben Franklin
* Grammer School Graduate
* Founder, U.S. Post Office
* Co-Founder, USA's Form of Govt.

[BoRaGard]

33. G.O.P.'s Pedo BESTIE really suckered this woman

like they sucker everyone

[Emile]

34. but, Trump still saying it's a Democrat hoax.

Will his voters ever wake up?