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MTG having her Adam Kinzinger moment (Original Post) pbmus Sep 2025 OP
What's in it for Marge? Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #1
Getting out before the crushing debt of hypocrisy turns her into stone..... pbmus Sep 2025 #2
Frankly I'm baffled by it too. But tonight B.See Sep 2025 #6
You have a good point there. Miles Archer Sep 2025 #32
Probably. Not like she hasn't scored millions with all Dear Leader's pump and dump stock scamming. travelingthrulife Sep 2025 #44
Oh! Hadn't heard about Noem's Mt Rushmore gift! Yuck! electric_blue68 Sep 2025 #49
You may have a point there! some_of_us_are_sane Sep 2025 #62
I believe like so many women she was likely sexually abused or raped in her youth Pachamama Sep 2025 #10
Or she had knowledge and proximity to it in her sphere misanthrope Sep 2025 #14
Yes when something impacts the MAGAs directly they can finally do the right thing. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #29
Also, she is really speaking up against the genocide womanofthehills Sep 2025 #11
A flight into sanity and goodness? Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #28
They are anti-Jewish, that's all. yardwork Sep 2025 #51
Greene is trying to muddy the waters, diffuse the messaging, and capture the frame. Hugin Sep 2025 #18
How is she doing that? writerJT Sep 2025 #20
Just look at the half dozen or so threads about Greene right here in GD. Hugin Sep 2025 #22
She signed the discharge petition. writerJT Sep 2025 #36
Greene is only there because there are cameras there. Hugin Sep 2025 #39
And Rep Khanna? writerJT Sep 2025 #40
So MAGAs are going to create chaos and get attention by doing the right thing now? Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #26
I didn't say Greene is doing the correct thing. Only that cameras were there, so she has to be in front of them. n/t Hugin Sep 2025 #37
It's possible that she just hates pedo's Polybius Sep 2025 #19
Nope. She was good buddies with Matt Gaetz, a known trafficker of underage girls. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #25
Ehh, not a real pedo Polybius Sep 2025 #57
Gaetz was a well known sleaze bag. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #60
Certainly possible Polybius Sep 2025 #61
Gaetz sex trafficked minor females. THIS IS FACT. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #63
I consider him more of a statutory rapist if anything Polybius Sep 2025 #66
She loves and adores the Master Pedo. She loves and worships a rapist. travelingthrulife Sep 2025 #45
Perhaps not for long Polybius Sep 2025 #58
MTG is not to be trusted. She is no Adam Kinsiger.nt delisen Sep 2025 #21
Exactly. She must have some sort of angle. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #24
Of course she has an angle. FalloutShelter Sep 2025 #33
She thinks the GOP is not radical enough? Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #41
👍🏻 yup FalloutShelter Sep 2025 #42
Kingzinger moment? Nah. Kinzinger was altruistic regarding doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do tulipsandroses Sep 2025 #3
Altruistic hmmmm pbmus Sep 2025 #5
He voted to impeach Trump the second time, regretted not voting for impeachment the first time chia Sep 2025 #17
You are missing the point. The altruistic reference was regarding speaking out against the lawlessness and MAGA tulipsandroses Sep 2025 #35
I agree. True Dough Sep 2025 #31
In Addition... ProfessorGAC Sep 2025 #38
He now lives in the Houston area; I think he moved down here maybe 3 years ago yellowdogintexas Sep 2025 #43
You Are Correct ProfessorGAC Sep 2025 #47
I know lots of Rs who are good people otherwise Cosmocat Sep 2025 #52
Bad comparison. She might be ok on some issues JI7 Sep 2025 #4
She is also super passionate about the Palestinian children womanofthehills Sep 2025 #12
She has been cured of the cult. She has been talking like a normal human. Blue Full Moon Sep 2025 #7
Off her, or back on her meds. Prairie_Seagull Sep 2025 #55
Reality hit her and Nancy Mace over the head Blue Full Moon Sep 2025 #56
It won't last. RandySF Sep 2025 #8
"Democrat administrations" silenced victims? Bull. MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #9
The first person to blow the whistle on Epstein did it in 1996 misanthrope Sep 2025 #15
The first "person"? You mean a woman? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #53
Is a woman not a person? misanthrope Sep 2025 #65
I will be honest enough to say I'm glad she did and said that misanthrope Sep 2025 #13
yeah Skittles Sep 2025 #16
I suspect she thinks the names are Democrats... ananda Sep 2025 #23
I agree. Redleg Sep 2025 #59
Hardly. choie Sep 2025 #27
She thinks Republicans are safely in power forever, so time to finish off Democrats bucolic_frolic Sep 2025 #30
Kinzinger is a man of principle. MTG and Massie... Tommy Carcetti Sep 2025 #34
Color me heartless, but I don't care what she says. hamsterjill Sep 2025 #46
I think her role is to loudly proclaim Donald Trump was not involved when some more records trickle travelingthrulife Sep 2025 #48
I do not Believe her purr-rat beauty Sep 2025 #50
Has she named MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #54
Bless her heart and tiny brain! Brainfodder Sep 2025 #64

Irish_Dem

(81,989 posts)
1. What's in it for Marge?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:51 AM
Sep 2025

Totally out of character for her to do the right thing.

Must have some ulterior motive.

B.See

(8,668 posts)
6. Frankly I'm baffled by it too. But tonight
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:09 AM
Sep 2025

the Misses offered an interesting premise: something having to do with her having been scorned by Trump. After all she'd been one of Trump's most vocal cheerleaders (both male and female) yet Trump rewarded everyone from Fux news "journalists" (and I use that word with all mockery) to an assortment of other near nobodies. But not her.

So my best half might have a point. MTG is pssed.

Miles Archer

(23,945 posts)
32. You have a good point there.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 07:16 AM
Sep 2025

I am 100%, immovably CONVINCED that Trump wanted NOEM for his VP.

She reached that point in Donny's fevered little brain where she found the "EGO CENTER" and stroked it (her "gift" of a 4 foot "replica" of Mt Rushmore with his face on it).

The Story Behind Gov. Kristi Noem’s Weird Gift to Donald Trump



And then, "THE CRICKET STORY," and I believe he just didn't want the baggage that went with it. So he christened her "ICE BARBIE," which means she got a reward for her fealty.

ELISE STEFANIK: In terms of Trump's litmus test for "being pretty-slash-HOT," and having an ideal weight, um...no. Fealty? 100%. Is Stefanik as annoying as Jan Brady on The Brady Bunch? Yes, even more so. No MAGA soup for you, Elise.

KARI LAKE: The MILITANT MAGAt Bunny. Despised by many in her own state, and she committed the cardinal sin in Trump's mind...she lost an election. So he gave her a title to get her out of thee way.

MTG has the same level of fealty and has essentially received no reward from Dear Leader Kim Jong Don. So, she's trying to position herself for rewards after the fall of the empire.

travelingthrulife

(5,457 posts)
44. Probably. Not like she hasn't scored millions with all Dear Leader's pump and dump stock scamming.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:38 AM
Sep 2025

some_of_us_are_sane

(3,427 posts)
62. You may have a point there!
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:32 PM
Sep 2025

(I just took it as a sign that Marge smelled the tide turning against Trump and was swimming for a lifeboat.)

Pachamama

(17,565 posts)
10. I believe like so many women she was likely sexually abused or raped in her youth
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:45 AM
Sep 2025

It’s honestly the only thing that explains this from her because I actually think she is sincere about this. Even though she may have focused on this originally as being only the Dems committing and she needed to bring the Dem pedophile cabal down ala Q-Anon conspiracy theories - she now is determined to bring anyone down that has been part of this.

misanthrope

(9,561 posts)
14. Or she had knowledge and proximity to it in her sphere
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:21 AM
Sep 2025

I think women hear and see things that men just discount or don't want to be aware of.

Irish_Dem

(81,989 posts)
29. Yes when something impacts the MAGAs directly they can finally do the right thing.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 07:02 AM
Sep 2025

Not sure about Marge.

womanofthehills

(11,007 posts)
11. Also, she is really speaking up against the genocide
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:07 AM
Sep 2025

The polls now show the majority of Young Republicans are against sending more weapons to Gaza. Not as high as young Dems but climbing. I think it’s around 55% now.

I don’t know what her inspiration is but supposedly she’s really getting to Trump.

A little group of Republicans against Trump’s Gaza policy is forming - MTG, Tucker, Candice, Massie, Bannon and growing.

yardwork

(69,513 posts)
51. They are anti-Jewish, that's all.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:28 AM
Sep 2025

Tucker Carlson recently suggested that we should not have fought against Hitler.

These people are driven by hatred of Jews. MRG has said crazy things about Jewish people before. She once said that "Jewish space lasers" caused wildfires in California.

She's nuts. She's mean. She's bigoted.

It's not surprising that these awful people are turning on one another.

Hugin

(37,938 posts)
18. Greene is trying to muddy the waters, diffuse the messaging, and capture the frame.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:27 AM
Sep 2025

It’s the Retrumplican political equivalent of regulatory capture.

writerJT

(467 posts)
20. How is she doing that?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:54 AM
Sep 2025

Any examples of her “muddying the waters” or “diffusing the message” on this issue?

Do you think she is fooling Ro Khanna? How so?

Hugin

(37,938 posts)
22. Just look at the half dozen or so threads about Greene right here in GD.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:25 AM
Sep 2025

Greene. Greene. Greene.

Get back to me when she endorses a democratic candidate or votes to impeach the Tangeranus.

writerJT

(467 posts)
36. She signed the discharge petition.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:02 AM
Sep 2025

I’m simply asking for how that and other actions are muddying the waters and whatever else it is you said. Seems like it would be easy to show, but I suppose not.

But maybe the really important angle is this:

Why do you think Rep. Ro Khanna doesn’t see what you’re seeing? How is she fooling him? Have you alerted his office? He’s one of the leaders of this effort and he’s letting her get away with whatever it is you’re alleging. Maybe tip him off!

Hugin

(37,938 posts)
39. Greene is only there because there are cameras there.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:13 AM
Sep 2025

She's no different than Trump.

A half-dozen threads on GD. Now it's my turn to ask a question, how many people here can name a half-dozen of Trump's victims? That's mudding the waters.

Get back to me when Greene doesn't actively participate in an armed insurrection on behalf of a tyrant.

writerJT

(467 posts)
40. And Rep Khanna?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:18 AM
Sep 2025

What do you know that he doesn’t?

Why do you think he doesn’t know what’s really happening, that you are able to see so clearly?

It’s sad that he got tricked on live tv yesterday. Did you even try to warn him?

Irish_Dem

(81,989 posts)
26. So MAGAs are going to create chaos and get attention by doing the right thing now?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 07:00 AM
Sep 2025

Would be nice, but doubtful.

Hugin

(37,938 posts)
37. I didn't say Greene is doing the correct thing. Only that cameras were there, so she has to be in front of them. n/t
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:07 AM
Sep 2025

Polybius

(22,033 posts)
19. It's possible that she just hates pedo's
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:18 AM
Sep 2025

You can be a crazy right-winger and still hate them, especially if you are a woman (since most happen to be men).

Irish_Dem

(81,989 posts)
60. Gaetz was a well known sleaze bag.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:23 PM
Sep 2025

When there is one underage girl victim there are always others.

Gaetz was so disgusting even the other well known sleazy GOP congressmen
would have nothing to do with him.

No one would let their daughters anywhere near him.

Polybius

(22,033 posts)
61. Certainly possible
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:27 PM
Sep 2025

But unless hard evidence comes up where he went after early teens, I'm hesitant to call him a pedo.

Polybius

(22,033 posts)
66. I consider him more of a statutory rapist if anything
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:52 PM
Sep 2025

My opinion will change and I will call him a pedo if you can link him with girls under 16/17.

FalloutShelter

(14,558 posts)
33. Of course she has an angle.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 07:18 AM
Sep 2025

Her numbers must be in the toilet with the rest of the Grand Ole Pederasts’ internal polling.

So… she’s repositioning herself as “Mother Courage”.

A GOP purge is coming and she wants to be on top of the wave and not under it.

Irish_Dem

(81,989 posts)
41. She thinks the GOP is not radical enough?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:18 AM
Sep 2025

Yes her dream has been to be a top echelon MAGA/GOPer.

She is hopping on the Epstein bandwagon.

tulipsandroses

(8,296 posts)
3. Kingzinger moment? Nah. Kinzinger was altruistic regarding doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:01 AM
Sep 2025

I think in Marge's case, her constituents are probably so entrenched in the conspiracy - she has to dig in as well to keep her seat. Still, I am glad she's siding with the victims, whatever her motive is.

pbmus

(13,141 posts)
5. Altruistic hmmmm
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:06 AM
Sep 2025

Here’s a detailed look at former Representative **Adam Kinzinger’s voting record**, drawn from multiple sources that track congressional activity:

### 🗳️ Key Votes & Positions
According to [Vote Smart](https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/116559/adam-kinzinger), Kinzinger’s votes reflect a mix of bipartisan support and traditional Republican stances:

- ✅ **Supported**:
- *Right to Contraception Act (H.R. 8373)* – Protecting access to contraceptives
- *Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023* – Funding government operations
- *Veteran Service Recognition Act of 2022* – Supporting veterans

- ❌ **Opposed or Did Not Vote**:
- *Puerto Rico Status Act* – Did not support changes to Puerto Rico’s status
- *Respect for Marriage Act* – Did not vote on this LGBTQ+ rights bill
- *Law Enforcement De-Escalation Training Act* – Missed vote

### 📊 Voting Trends & Ideology
From [Politics That Work](http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Adam-Kinzinger-412421), his record shows:

| **Policy Area** | **Support Level** |
|------------------------------------|-------------------|
| Big Business | 100% |
| Military Spending | 100% |
| LGBT Rights | 27.6% |
| Women's Rights | 13.7% |
| Environmental Protection | 6.6% |
| Consumer Protection | 0% |
| Gun Control | 0% |
| Taxing the Wealthy | 0% |

This suggests a strong alignment with pro-business and defense policies, while showing limited support for progressive social and economic reforms.

### 📉 Legislative Effectiveness
On [GovTrack](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/adam_kinzinger/412421/report-card/2020), during the 116th Congress:

- He missed **7% of votes**, ranking high in absenteeism.
- His bills had **few cosponsors**, indicating lower legislative influence.
- He scored low on leadership metrics compared to other Illinois representatives.

If you want a breakdown by issue—like healthcare, immigration, or civil rights—I can pull that up too. Just say the word.

chia

(2,828 posts)
17. He voted to impeach Trump the second time, regretted not voting for impeachment the first time
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:02 AM
Sep 2025

He was on the Jan 6 committee. He recognized and actively fought against the extremist takeover of the GOP. A breakdown by issue would show he didn't walk in lockstep, so to not take the wins where we could get them is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

tulipsandroses

(8,296 posts)
35. You are missing the point. The altruistic reference was regarding speaking out against the lawlessness and MAGA
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 07:41 AM
Sep 2025

Anti -MAGA folks that want to save democracy don’t have to be democrats. It is just the right thing to do.

ProfessorGAC

(77,081 posts)
38. In Addition...
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:11 AM
Sep 2025

...he's a pretty nice guy. He was our representative and I talked with him a few times.
I agree with him on very, very little, but he's not a radical tool
I can't believe that is true of MTG.

yellowdogintexas

(23,741 posts)
43. He now lives in the Houston area; I think he moved down here maybe 3 years ago
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:35 AM
Sep 2025

We need a decent Republican down here, that's for sure. I for one would greatly enjoy seeing him knock off one of our many MAGA politicians. He is not running for anything this cycle though.

ProfessorGAC

(77,081 posts)
47. You Are Correct
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 10:10 AM
Sep 2025

Might even been 4.
He lost his seat here due to redistricting. Once they redraw the lines, he had no chance to win, and his anti-Trump stance meant farther west or south was a non-starter.
District was already purple, and the redraw turned it hard blue.
He worked for CNN for a while. Don't know if he still does.

Cosmocat

(15,456 posts)
52. I know lots of Rs who are good people otherwise
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:44 AM
Sep 2025

Their bullshit is so strong and diverse they suck a lot of otherwise decent people in.

Best way I can say it is Kinzinger appears to have a soul, and it kicked in at some point.

While it appears that this issue has some very small windwo into her soul, I don't otherwise see any redeeming qualities in her and she has a LONG ways to go before I would reach a point where I thought she could come over the light fully.

JI7

(93,808 posts)
4. Bad comparison. She might be ok on some issues
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:01 AM
Sep 2025

but she still has the crazy fucked up views.

I don't see this as a change in her.

But we can still use these things to our advantage if possible.

womanofthehills

(11,007 posts)
12. She is also super passionate about the Palestinian children
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:12 AM
Sep 2025

I don’t care about her motivations - I’m glad she is speaking out for the victims of Epstein and the victims of Netanyu.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,687 posts)
9. "Democrat administrations" silenced victims? Bull.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:14 AM
Sep 2025

Has she named *rump?

Disgusting racist Howler Monkey isn't fit to wipe Adam Kinzinger's boots.

misanthrope

(9,561 posts)
15. The first person to blow the whistle on Epstein did it in 1996
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:26 AM
Sep 2025

The FBI was informed and the GOP wasn't running the DOJ then. This has been kept at the back of the shelf for several administrations.

The investigation and prosecution of this appears to have been purposefully lax since about the full flowering of the internet era.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,687 posts)
53. The first "person"? You mean a woman?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:03 PM
Sep 2025

Who blew the whistle? Who informed the FBI? What was said about Epstein? What evidence was presented when and to whom?

The FBI was informed about Beer Boofer Kavanaugh, by a doctor, under oath, in 2018 and after a week their pretend investigation was over and guess where he is now.

1996 was almost thirty years ago. Before Me Too, before Cosby, before Weinstein.

Spurious accusations against Democrats don't work for me.





misanthrope

(9,561 posts)
65. Is a woman not a person?
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 09:53 AM
Sep 2025

Is that what you are insisting?

What “works for you” has no sway on historical data. The FBI was first approached about Epstein’s predations in 1996. It went nowhere in deference to Epstein’s influence. The survivors’ stories are clear.

misanthrope

(9,561 posts)
13. I will be honest enough to say I'm glad she did and said that
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:19 AM
Sep 2025

I don't have a problem with anything she said in that clip, regardless of whatever her motivation might be.

Redleg

(6,997 posts)
59. I agree.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:59 PM
Sep 2025

She is a conspiracy believer and probably believes that Trump played the hero's role in the Epstein saga by informing the FBI.

Tommy Carcetti

(44,572 posts)
34. Kinzinger is a man of principle. MTG and Massie...
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 07:19 AM
Sep 2025

…are just two idiots having their broken clock moment.

Don’t confuse the two.

hamsterjill

(17,709 posts)
46. Color me heartless, but I don't care what she says.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:46 AM
Sep 2025

I don't believe her. If she actually does something to help our cause, then so be it. But I'm not going to be fooled by this person. She's shown her true colors too many times.

We need to take what we can get from her, but we don't need to EVER forget who and what she is, and what she has said and done in the past.

Democrats are typically good people. We want to allow people redemption. But we get into trouble with Republicans when we don't remember who and what they are. So, let's not make that mistake with MTG.

travelingthrulife

(5,457 posts)
48. I think her role is to loudly proclaim Donald Trump was not involved when some more records trickle
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 10:18 AM
Sep 2025

out. Those records carefully chosen to not include Donald Trump.

purr-rat beauty

(1,358 posts)
50. I do not Believe her
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:23 AM
Sep 2025

She's proven how unsavory of a character she is. She is certainly a rabid opportunist, she is an adulterer, and she has already lied how she would vote ( having voted for Medicaid cuts and voted against releasing the Epstein files just a few weeks ago ). She has known of these files for awhile but has kept mum....

I think she's trying to churn up support for the mid terms, possibly a presidential run as well.

It's about her, not the victims

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,687 posts)
54. Has she named
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:34 PM
Sep 2025

the Orange Rapist?

Amnesiacs forget she grabbed the Pedo Felon's cardboard mushroom on camera?

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Forget how she held up naked pics of President Biden's son on the House floor?

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Meanwhile Adam Kinzinger's opening statement for the January 6th Committee:

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How brief the American attention span.

What next? Greene for President?

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
64. Bless her heart and tiny brain!
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 06:34 AM
Sep 2025

Maybe it finally dawn on her that if you flush the country/economy all those acquired millions aint worth a squirt?

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