Stop With The BS That "We" Don't Know What's In The Epstein Files

[gab13by13]

I see people here almost to the point of defending Krasnov. I see people here claiming that Krasnov only went to Epstein's parties to socialize because nothing has been proven and none of the victims have spoken out.

Let me clue everyone in as to why Krasnov sued the WSJ for eleventy billion dollars over reporting about the provable birthday letter that Krasnov sent to Epstein. I wouldn't doubt that Murdoch was complicit regarding the lawsuit. Krasnov sued the WSJ to send a message to the people who know what's in the Epstein files: the victims, the victim's lawyers the prosecutors such as Maureen Comey. If any of the above people make a statement about Krasnov, he will destroy their lives, he will sue them until the cows come home.

The victims, the victim's lawyers, the prosecutors, need those files released to give them cover to be able to speak out publicly. Without the backing of making those files public, powerful people, will destroy the lives of the victims and their lawyers and the prosecutors.

This is why the Epstein files can never be released, it keeps a muzzle on the many people who already know what's in those files.

It make me sick to hear people say we have no proof, the proof is out there, under lock and key.

To say that Krasnov, a piece of shit who raped a woman in a change room of a clothing store, who had sex with a porn star at a golfing event, only went to Epstein's parties to socialize is laughable. Krasnov made a deal with Maxwell to buy her silence, right out in the open, a quid pro quo. She sits in a fucking country club awaiting her freedom solely based on one word, "waiver." Whitehouse and Garcia sent stern letters to the head of the federal bureau of prisons asking for documents as to the reasons for Maxwell's transfer, still fucking waiting for a response. I asked the question back when those letters were sent, what if they get no response, then what? I guess the answer is we just keep using the one word, "waiver," and move on. There is no good reason to grant that waiver other than to protect Donald fucking Trump.

Rant off. The victims get screwed again.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/what-they-re-keeping-secret-survivors-lawyer-knows-what-s-in-the-epstein-files/ar-AA1LNCYZ?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[johnnyfins]

1. Yup.

[Escurumbele]

19. Lets not forget Alex Acosta, he knows what happened, he was the 1st to cover for Epstein and the rest.

[spanone]

2. K&R

[Emile]

3. You are spot on gab!

[writerJT]

4. The Stern Letters Caucus strikes again.

[gab13by13]

5. I forgot to add my link

about the victims' lawyer saying he knows what's in the files. It is now added.

[OC375]

6. Release Them ALL

Let the chips fall where they may. This going on as long as it has - years - is unconscionable. That there are actual accepted legal mechanisms to keep this quiet so long is even more disturbing.

[johnnyfins]

7. Has anyone asked the base question

What is the origin story of Alex Acosta being given a cabinet position in TSF's first term?

Why him? What was his connection to TSF?

[gab13by13]

8. Yes, Acosta needs to testify under oath,

His sweetheart deal with Epstein in Florida may give Maxwell her freedom, hopefully not.

If Krasnov was so innocent at those Epstein parties why did he get Maxwell moved to a country club, why did he give Acosta a job in his cabinet. C'mon everyone, we all know, to buy their silence?

Krasnov sued the WSJ for posting his birthday letter to Epstein. The letter is provable, so why did Krasnov sue anyway? We all know the answer, to show the victims, victim's lawyers, prosecutors, that he will sue them to kingdom come if they speak out. I have no doubt the WSJ lawsuit will go nowhere, I believe it was a plan devised by both Krasnov and Murdoch.

[LiberalArkie]

11. Story is that he found out that Epstein was a Russian Intel agent thus was untouchable.

[gab13by13]

18. There are many indications that Russia was involved.

Putin most likely has all the Epstein files.

[quakerboy]

49. Doesnt that just leave more questions?

Why would a Russian intel agent be untouchable in 2007?
Why wouldn't any such agreement get overturned or at least exposed in 2009?
I think we are all aware why it wasnt exposed in 2017.
But why in hell wouldn't it be made public in 2021?

[LiberalArkie]

50. It does kind of fit. Since the Russians have always been into brothels wired with sound and video (film) so as to

control wealthy people and politicians. If you are a federal attorney that hopes to advance what would you do with a case that would probably get you killed do to the level of money and influence that was involved. If you had the evidence that the west coast tech billionaires and major U.S. Senate and Congressmen and the European billionaires and politicians were involved, how would you handle it?

[niyad]

15. You mean, apart from him being the scum who gave epstein that

disgusting perversion of justice sweetheart "punishment", and without notifying his victims, as required by law?

[Ocelot II]

34. That's a really important question.

Supposedly Acosta got involved in the plea agreement at the behest of higher-ups, and possibly because Epstein had information useful to them in investigating the collapse of Bear Stearns and other financial crimes. I suspect Trump's involvement in Epstein's activities was at least as much financial as sexual, and that they were into some very illegal stuff such as money laundering. Nothing is more important to Trump than money, so if we want to find out how Trump was involved, follow the money! Was Acosta rewarded later for making sure Trump's fingerprints weren't on the Epstein plea deal?

[gab13by13]

37. Deutsche bank was also involved with Epstein,

It had to pay a multimillion dollar settlement for profiting off Epstein's sex trafficking. As a part of the settlement I believe the bank was not charged with criminal crimes.

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. This needs to be a never ending story.

[rubbersole]

25. At this point it's republican kryptonite.

For politicians and donors. It's bad and getting worse. Could slow or stop Project 2025 when nothing but the lower courts are in the way of these fascist bastards.

[Skittles]

47. I relish the thought that the guilty parties are likely shitting bricks on a daily basis now

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[Paladin]

10. Beautifully stated, gab13.

trump's frantic actions as to the Epstein files tells us just how damaging they are going to be. Only the details remain to be known.

Believe the victims, release all the files!

[Scruffy1]

12. Even if they are released I don't think we will get the truth.

Withh Attorney Generals like Barr and Bondi I wouldn't trust any "evidence". I still remember the Wounded Knee trials in Minneapolis where the feds committed perjury and other crimes.

[OldBaldy1701E]

13. Yep.

Although, I myself am not as interested in 'what' is in those files as I am in 'who' is in those files.

But yes, this is all a cover for many important people in our society as well as in the world. They know what will happen if that stuff gets out. They will kill in order to keep it under wraps.

Which is why it is still under wraps.

[DownriverDem]

14. How about showing

the flight records?

[Ol Janx Spirit]

16. The firestorm surrounding this serves to highlight another blaring failure of the DOJ...

...under Merrick Garland--especially if what is in the files had any potential to bring down TSF before he ever posed a threat of being reelected.

It seems like Garland's DOJ protected the Pedophile-in-Chief about as well as the Bill Barr DOJ. Why?

Neera Tanden was there and has insights that make sense:

“I can’t really tell you why Merrick Garland didn’t do it. I would say that he was hypersensitive about any perceptions of unfairness to a point where, I think, you know, I’m not sure justice was always even done,” Tanden said.

“And I can imagine he thought, you know, after he’s doing [Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot cases] and all the conservative blowback on that — maybe he wouldn’t even look into Ghislaine Maxwell — but someone should ask him,” she added.

“I wish he had looked into it.”

Link to tweet

[Farmer-Rick]

21. Is there any hint that Garland was an Epstein "client"?

Or that a close family member or friend of Garland's was an Epstein "client"?

Some of Epstein's "clients" have totally surprised me.

It just strikes me as very strange that he never moved on the Epstein files especially after pedo Trump made it a political issue in the last election.

[Hornedfrog2000]

24. The guy let krasnov sell national secrets

Out of his dump in florida, and he did nothing. He is just as guilty as anyone and belongs in prison.

[Ol Janx Spirit]

26. I'm choosing to believe that he was doing as Neera suggests and being far too deferential to...

...the politics of pursuing cases against anyone from the former administration.

I've never had reason to believe otherwise.

What does seem clear is that neither Biden nor Garland took the threat of TSF getting back into power seriously after January 6th and therefore did not believe action on their part was necessary until far too late to stop it through the legal process.

Given where we are today I really do wonder how both men feel now given the enormous resources and information at their disposal that they never brought to bear.

[JustAnotherGen]

17. Well written

We know enough to know that it terrifies the magapub party that they even EXIST.

[Joinfortmill]

20. Agree with all of this. Regarding defending Krasnov...

I think we've been infiltrated by certain elements. Have thought so for awhile, but kept my concerns to myself. Thanks for the post.

[RoeVWade]

22. I've considered Trump may be afraid when others are revealed they may spill financial crimes on him they know about.

I've considered it may not be about sex crimes at all, but other crimes he's afraid of.

[Clouds Passing]

23. Kras trafficked young girls too.

That is the dirty secret.

He learned from his grampa.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Thank you for this, they don't dare name names in public because

Even though obviously piece of shit is guilty along with others if they name him and can’t prove it, he will sue them and destroy them.

The reason they wouldn’t be able to prove it is because HE CONTROLS THE FUCKING EVIDENCE and they are LIKELY going to alter it and they are going to create AI evidence to cover for him etc.

[gab13by13]

32. If is a big word, the Epstein files are released

and they are altered a lot of people will know they were altered; the victims, victims' lawyers, prosecutors. Will those people be able or have the guts to accuse Bondi of altering them?

If they can prove a few examples of alterations it will put the heat on Bondi. Yeah, I remember Bill Barr, hope springs eternal.

[SheltieLover]

28. EPSTEIN, MAXWELL & MALARIA

[Just Jerome]

29. "Eleventy billion?"

Wonder where you got THAT number?

[gab13by13]

30. From watching Stephanie Miller

on freespeechtv.com, she uses it a lot.

[Just Jerome]

31. Abso-damned-lutely!

Gotta be there!

[sueh]

43. I know when I see Steph-Heads on DU.

[Ocelot II]

33. Whatever is in those files is likely to be an even bigger deal than Trump's own behavior

with underage girls. I have no doubt that his sexual activities were absolutely heinous, but he's gone to such extreme lengths to block the release of everything that there must be even more, and even more damaging politically. A big question, I think, is why Epstein got just a slap on the wrist back in 2008, and that almost everything about that plea deal was kept confidential. Why where the federal charges kicked back to the state of Florida as merely two charges of engaging a minor for prostitution? Why did Acosta fail to notify the victims, in clear violation of the law? Why did the plea deal include immunity for unnamed coconspirators/codefendants, and who were they? It could be significant that this all occurred in Florida. And why was Acosta given a cabinet position when Trump became president?

At the time of the investigation into the sex crimes, Epstein had significant investments in Bear Stearns, which was heavily leveraged and finally collapsed in 2007. A month after the fund collapsed, Acosta became involved in negotiating Epstein's plea agreement. Acosta was allegedly ordered to make the deal by "higher government officials," who told him that Epstein was an individual "of importance to the government." He might have been an unnamed witness in another financial case in NY. And somehow Epstein's investment had managed to pay back all of its debt.

Where does Trump come in, and why is he so intent on keeping the files, or at least some parts of them, from becoming public? I suspect it's a financial matter rather than a sexual one because nothing matters more to Trump than money, and we already know that a lot of his gains are ill-gotten. There are still a lot of questions relating to how and where Epstein got his money. Was Trump involved in the financial side of Epstein's sex trafficking? Were the two of them involved in a money-laundering scheme? Follow the money!

[gab13by13]

35. Yes, the money trail,

Epstein dealt with Deutsche bank, and the bank had to pay a multimillion dollar settlement because it profited from Epstein's sex trafficking.

The involvement of Deutsche bank makes me think Putin for some reason.

Epstein's will put his money in a trust which kept it hidden and protected from claims from his victims.

[AverageOldGuy]

45. Could it be:

Epstein was working for Russia.

Epstein was furnishing young girls to powerful people, Russian was paying the bills, and Epstein was sending the details -- video, names, dates, times -- to Putin who is using this info to blackmail Epstein's clients -- clients including you-know-who.

[Ocelot II]

36. The AG at most of the time of Epstein's first criminal case and plea deal

was Alberto Gonzales, and it was negotiated on Epstein's side by Alan Dershowitz. Steve Bannon was also involved; Epstein hired him to prepare for a media appearance that never took place. Usually I hate these kinds of videos but this one is pretty interesting.

[gab13by13]

38. Forgive me, I so much want the victims

to give Massey and MTG their list of names to be read on the House floor, and let Alan Dershowitz be the first name on the list.

[Ocelot II]

39. Dershowitz is *so* creepy! He'll be on the list.

[Magada]

40. MAGA

Moscow
Agent
Governs
America

[Zackzzzz]

41. PERFECT!!!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

48. Welcome to DU

[Bluetus]

42. Stop with the BS that this is all about sex trafficking.

This has very little to do with sex. This was an international operation that involved extortion, foreign policy manipulation, and lots of money laundering. Sex was just the bait to compromise important people from all over the globe.

Epstein's accounts had hundreds of millions of dollars flowing through them. You don't get that kind of money from arranging sex for wealthy people. You get that kind of money through extortion, money laundering and such.

Why is Trump (and nearly every Republican) fighting this becoming public? Well, it looks like some of the people using his "services" (including sex and money laundering) are among the GOP's (Guardians of Pedophiles) biggest donors. Peter Their will be all over those files, for example.

But Trump will be exposed as a person who recruited a lot of powerful people into Epstein's sex trap.

[AverageOldGuy]

44. "The victims get screwed again."

And Trump walks away from his crimes. Again.

[Skittles]

46. the fly-under-the-radar trolls

they don't pass MY radar though

[wordstroken]

51. Yes!

[Norrrm]

52. JD Vance is out here saying Epstein had ties to many top Democrats.

JD Vance is out here saying Epstein had ties to many top Democrats.

OK, why aren't they releasing the files then? - Devin Duke