Thomas Massie is, and always will be, a clown. He is not our ally. He is not our friend.

[Tommy Carcetti]

Ditto for MTG and James O'Keefe (which should be blatantly obvious).

These people are clowns and they don't deserve our respect.

They are not in the process of turning a corner or coming to a new realization about themselves (a la Joe Walsh). They will turn around and bite us the first opportunity they get.

This is not John McCain or Mitt Romney, or Adam Kinzinger, or Liz Cheney. These are not people of principle who we can disagree with on the issues but can trust to do the right thing in the interests of the country.

This isn't even Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski or Bill Cassidy who at least occasionally recognize when something is wrong, even if they lack the courage to ever act on it.

These guys are the bottom of the barrel and there's no use in lauding them for anything.

[gab13by13]

1. I hate to say this but,

We are going to need unwashed Magats to join us in throwing out the billionaires. The hard core Magats will always be with Krasnov.

Massie, MTG, Mace, Boebert most likely are hard core Magats but we can use them. The only controversy in Krasnov's terms as president that he truly fears is Epstein Gate. If Massey and MTG read names on the House floor provided by the victims why on earth would you bash them? The House Magats who have signed the discharge petition only did so because they believe that Krasnov was a Boy Scout at Epstein's parties, let them believe that until it is too late.

Those 4 Magats who signed the discharge petition are getting death threats.

How about we wait until Epstein Gate has run its course before we bash bad people who are doing the right thing once in their lives?

If those 4 people help bring down Krasnov then the end certainly justifies the means.

[Tommy Carcetti]

2. As I said previously, much as I hate to admit...

...I don't think the Epstein Gate thing will end Trump.

Something else might end him--including the man's own withered heart--but I don't put much hope in that this is what will do it.

I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong, and will fully admit it.

[viva la]

26. If he's not damaged by this and all the lies he told about Epstein and him looking so guilty when he says it's a hoax

and sets up to commute Maxwell's sentence-

Then he was right when he said he could kill someone on 5th Ave and get away with it.

[Tommy Carcetti]

29. He's a convicted felon and yet he's the President.

That says it all.

Not to mention being found liable for fraud, defamation and sexual assault.

Or being the motivating factor behind a violent insurrection at the US Capitol.

If those things didn't bring him down, this won't, either.

It sucks.

[Turbineguy]

42. ..

[mercuryblues]

40. Will it be road kill crow?

Or Cheney buckshot crow?

I am of 2 minds, on one hand I want to watch you eat crow. I'll even prepare it for you.

On the other, that is so gross, will chicken do?

[AltairIV]

13. I agree

They are useful tools to get the results we need.

[Bluetus]

46. Absolutely true. I am not a "find common ground" person

Our job is to make life so precarious for Republicans that they choose to move away from Trump. So we should help Massie and MTG along this path. If they can get away with separating from Trump, other Republicans will follow, and Trump's stranglehold will collapse.

And as loathsome as these MAGA people are, if not for Trump, they probably would not have given us Bob Kennedy and some of the other most vile characters.

We will never be on the same team philosophically. We must pressure all of them so hard that "common ground finds us", so to speak.

[Kaleva]

3. Attacking those who are fighting with Trump is helping defend Trump

[gab13by13]

8. Whatever, then why is Krasnov

sending death threats to the 4 who signed the discharge petition?

Krasnov wants Epstein Gate to go away.

[Kaleva]

31. Did you respond to the wrong person?

[AllyCat]

22. Never engage your enemy when they are fighting someone else.

It's a useful video game strategy that I think might work here.

We just need to be wary of trusting these people and be certain we know who they are.

[Kaleva]

32. I agree

[mercuryblues]

4. I agree for the most part.

Is their motive to report back to trump and CO? Maybe obstruct?
Or are they the few republicans that are truly repulsed by pedophilia? Repulsed enough that even trump isn't safe?

[Tommy Carcetti]

10. I know MTG is clearly not repulsed by many things she should be repulsed by.

So I wouldn't believe that one for a second.

[gab13by13]

12. I agree that she is not doing this for the victims,

MTG used to be one of Krasnov's favorites, now she is being replaced by the likes of Laura Loomer. I think MTG is mad at Krasnov for dumping her.

I saw her interview last night and she laughed at the death threats she is getting.

[Norbert]

5. He won't be bullied by the orange dip shit.

That puts him ahead of just about every spineless Republican in the lower house.

I will file him under 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

[gab13by13]

9. Me too.

[haele]

14. More like "The Enemy of my Enemy is in alignment with me today"....

Doesn't mean they still aren't an asshole or won't turn on me and decide I'm their Enemy tomorrow.

[gab13by13]

15. Well, Massie isn't running for reelection.

[ms liberty]

6. No they are not...but

When they turn on and disobey their Dear Leader, I WILL point it out and laugh at their temerity.

[JI7]

7. Who cares ? Are people saying to support them for political office

Every vote counts the same . If we can get their vote on certain things we support then what's the problem in that ?

That's what politics is.

I agree most of these people are shit.

But Elizabeth Warren has worked with Hawley on many bills. She is working with him to push her agenda .

[maxrandb]

11. I come not to praise Tom Massie, but to bury him

Count me among those that are all out of fucks to give about these worthless Retrumplican congressional/senate fucksticks..

Apparently, I am supposed to view Massie. MTG. Murkowski, Collins, et al as some kind of allies? Or worse, consider them among American heroes like John Paul Jones, David Farragut, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

Massie's deathbed conversion is about as worthless as teats on a bullfrog.

He holds 1 insignificant House seat out of 435, in a fucked up State that Hitler would carry by 47 points if he ran with an "R" next to his name.

Massie must have appeared on the thankfully now dead Rush Limbaugh program about 1,000 times.

His fucked up party has so poisoned politics in this country that they have just about killed it.

I proudly served 30 years in the United States Navy. I can't even tune my car radio to an AM station to get a fucking traffic or weather report, without first having to hear some bloviating "bag of dicks" call me a "communist, anti-American French Surrender Monkey" simply because I have a different political philosophy.

We're supposed to pretend that Tom Massie is a "good Retrumplican", or even a "good person" because he draws the line at a fucking pedophilia?

Sure, he wants to fuck over my mom and kill her Social Security and Medicare, and require 12 year olds to carry their dad's baby to term, but he draws a firm line at child rape???

I am sorry that I can't muster a care for whatever the fuck Massie MAGAt says, but I am a little busy worrying if my LGBTQ daughter is going to have to live in fear for the rest of her life. I am a little busy worrying if she will be fired, denied housing, lose her rights and be criminalized simply because she is gay. Sorry Tom, but I am also a little busy worrying if one of my nieces may be forced to carry a rapists baby, or die on an operating table because her fetus has a medical condition not covered by whatever the Dipshits in Dumbfuckistan Murika decide is "life threatening"

No! I will give not one-quarter to Tom Massie but I will simply say, in the immortal words of Dick Cheney; "GO FUCK YOURSELF!!"

[gab13by13]

16. You are mixing apples and oranges

This is about 4 House Magats who signed a discharge petition to release the Epstein Files. Epstein Gate is the only controversy that Krasnov has feared. If Massie and MTG read the names of people supplied by the victims on the House floor that will counter what Bondi is doing purging all Republican names.

We are talking about one issue here, maybe the only issue that can bring Krasnov down.

What is your suggestion for throwing out the billionaires who are making this country a dictatorship? We need some unwashed Magats to throw them out, the zombie Magats will always be with Krasnov.

So far as I have seen, this is the best shot we got.

Krasnov wants Epstein gate to go away, those 4 magats are keeping on the front page.

[SSJVegeta]

18. 💯

[womanofthehills]

38. Actually, as far as Republicans go I prefer the anti war ones

Massie is one of the few Republicans not taking AIPAC money and he has voted against sending more bombs to Israel. He's crummy on lots of stuff but on the two very important issues right now- Epstein and genocide- he's with the majority of the people.

I love that Trump is losing it over Massie and MTG.

Some in the Republican party get that the young Republicans are not into genocide according to latest poll. Some even talk about MTG getting Republican youth on her side and running for President. How off the wall is that!

[Gimpyknee]

25. This old Navy Corpsman agrees with you 100%

[mountain grammy]

28. Agree 100%

[calimary]

34. "... about as worthless as teats on a bullfrog."

Good one. Seriously!

[SSJVegeta]

17. Wrong.

He is our ally in releasing the epstein files and holding high profile influential billionaires and politicians accountable for raping children. If you want child rapists to be revealed, we need to support him. Every human should.

[angrychair]

21. Not our ally

That was proven late yesterday. This whole thing with Massie and MTG was a setup.

A senior DOJ official admitted on a hidden camera that DOJ intends to redact all Republican names and only expose Democrats on the list.

So I assume the game is to get out on the House floor and just start reading off all the Democrats names from the DOJ and Mango Mussolini approved list, because once they start, you can't stop them.

Fuck all Republicans. All of them. All of them. They are pure evil to their very cores. All. Of them. Not one is good, fair or honest.

[SSJVegeta]

36. The list is being compiled by the victims not the DOJ

And Democrats are being given the list as well as Republicans. All of them can read off the names. The first name Massie read off proves your claim untrue: John Paulsen is a prominent republican billionaire donor. Not a Democrat.

But clearly there are Democrats scared of teh Democratic power brokers and donors who are also likely to be named.

[angrychair]

47. Massie and MTG

Are fire breathing MAGA Republicans. Whomever that Republican is, I have zero doubts he pissed off their orange god in some way and their revealing of his name was just Mango Mussolini getting his revenge.

These people have voted 100% of the time to do Mango Mussolini's bidding.
I'm not going to believe that, suddenly, they got ethics and morals...or a spine.

[SSJVegeta]

48. Again. Actions speak louder than words. They outed an important GOP donor as a child rapist. That's enough for me.

[Cosmocat]

43. Yep

nm

[womanofthehills]

39. Plus - he voted against sending bombs to Israel and get's no AIPAC money

The Republican youth love him and Trump hates him.

[SSJVegeta]

41. Exactly. The common denominator between these crazies is they take very little -if any. Corporate money.

That goes a long ways when your principles are not for sale (even if they are incredibly misled on most things).

[comradebillyboy]

19. But they are Useful Idiots in the Leninist sense

and should definitely be used against the Trump regime whenever possible. And promptly discarded when their usefulness is done.

[Ocelot II]

20. The enemy of my enemy might not be my friend, but sometimes he's a useful temporary ally.

[NNadir]

23. I am reminded of Winston Churchill's remark in June of 1941 when Germany invaded the Soviet Union.

“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”

Nobody here should have much to agree with these people, but if the enemy of my enemy is not my friend, it is also true that it's good that my enemy has enemies other than myself, I can wish them well in the specific case.

[womanofthehills]

44. Israel hates Massie

& now that he might run for Senate they are out to get him big time.

“Israel-First Groups Target Thomas Massie”

“Jewish Insider reports: “The Republican Jewish Coalition pledged ‘unlimited’ spending to block Massie if he decides to run.”

“’We are shining a spotlight on Tom Massie’s atrocious anti-Israel record,’ UDP spokesperson Patrick Dorton said at the time. ‘We are going to make sure every voter in the state of Kentucky knows how bad Tom Massie is on Israel.’
https://imemc.org/article/israel-first-groups-target-thomas-massie/

[Mblaze]

24. I used to think that of Joe Walsh

Sometimes the evidence is just too dramatic to deny.

[Tommy Carcetti]

27. There's no evidence that either Massie or MTG have had any Walsh type awakening. nt

[Mblaze]

33. Not yet

But I was seriously surprised by Walsh as well. Once the light goes on, it is hard to go back to the dark. 😀

[Bettie]

30. Never trust a Republican

but he's a useful tool at this moment.

Trust? Never. Not in a million years.

Accept what he's currently saying? Sure, for now.

This won't end Trump, heck, MAGAts are used to their pastors and youth pastors raping children, so this is probably not something they particularly care about.

[AStern]

35. Agreed. I feel the same way about ALL of the GOP Never Trumpers - Including The Bulkward, Cheney etc.

nt

[LexVegas]

37. Do the Epstein victims view him as an ally? nt

[Cosmocat]

45. The bottom line is a CLEAN accounting for all the perpetrators revealed in the JE investigations

IF they help to reveal them ALL, they get credit on this issue.

But, if they selectively omit anyone, they are just as dirty on it as the ones who are holding it all back.

EVERYTHING we have seen with Rs generally over many decades, and 1,000 times more with MAGA makes it a near complete certainty that if push comes to shove and some of it comes out they will wipe themselves from it and make it about Ds.

See Reagen and Contra arms, W and lying the county into Iraq, the Mueller Report, etc.

Not talking some nominal R donors or whatnot that didn't give them money or some out of favor MAGAs.

[Hassler]

49. Putin has his useful idiot, in the WH. So do we. I'll take the win.

It's not like we have much choice in coming up with the numbers to beat Julius Seizure without the Massies.