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bigtree

(94,672 posts)
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:02 PM Sep 2025

He's going to get a lot of our troops killed sometime in the 3 years we have left to go, with this chickenhawk squawking

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Trump signs executive order renaming the Defense Department as Department of War: "It has to do with winning. We should have won every war. We could have won every war. We really chose to be a very politically correct or wokey and we just fight forever."


Sept. 5, NYT,
David E. Sanger
The Return of the ‘War Department’ Is More Than Nostalgia. It’s a Message.

“In a way it makes perfect sense: This administration is simply taking us back to that period before the Truman era,” said Douglas Lute, a career Army officer who played key roles in the National Security Council in the Bush and Obama administrations and served as the U.S. ambassador to NATO. “It has disassembled the processes, institutions and the norms that were established after World War II.

...words matter to other nations as well, allies and adversaries alike. And this change in name, assuming Congress is willing to rewrite the Truman-era laws, plays right into the narrative that Russia and China propagate about the United States.

In their telling, all of America’s talk about being a peace-loving, law-abiding international player is thin cover for a country that truly just wants to strike at any target it regards as a threat. To bolster their cases, their state-controlled commentators point to Mr. Trump’s unilateral decisions to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities in June or sink an open skiff of alleged drug runners, killing 11 people off the coast of Venezuela.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Hegseth may be granting President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia a similar opportunity. Long before he invaded Ukraine in 2022, Mr. Putin insisted the “root causes” of his determination to restore some of the old boundaries of the Russian empire included the American-led drive to expand NATO to Russia’s borders in the 1990s. The West’s response has always been that NATO’s presence is entirely defensive.

But the United States undercuts that case when it insists that it’s tired of playing defense, as the president and the defense secretary have insisted repeatedly in recent weeks. To them, the restoration of a War Department heralds the fact that there is a new sheriff in town, with a new way of looking at the use of force.

read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/us/politics/trump-war-department-defense-history.html


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He's going to get a lot of our troops killed sometime in the 3 years we have left to go, with this chickenhawk squawking (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2025 OP
How do you tell the world you have a small penis C_U_L8R Sep 2025 #1
that's the message of gun humpers Skittles Sep 2025 #2
yep bigtree Sep 2025 #3
You don't rename the Department of Defense johnnyfins Sep 2025 #4
Barron exempt even pre draft. Kingofalldems Sep 2025 #6
Bone spurs IS hereditary johnnyfins Sep 2025 #8
3 years? I love your optimism 0rganism Sep 2025 #5
That's what happens when they start shooting back. Iggo Sep 2025 #7
Isn't that what almost ALL US presidents do? johnnyfins Sep 2025 #9
Try to start wars so that they can suspend the constitution and seize dictatorial powers? Iggo Sep 2025 #10
the word 'specious' comes to mind bigtree Sep 2025 #11
Name them. mcar Sep 2025 #12
Name a modern US president that didnt use johnnyfins Sep 2025 #13

C_U_L8R

(49,534 posts)
1. How do you tell the world you have a small penis
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:25 PM
Sep 2025

And even smaller brains. That's the message.

bigtree

(94,672 posts)
3. yep
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:33 PM
Sep 2025

...I've heard this from them since I was a kid in the '70's.

'Could have won Vietnam if we just kept fighting' is the gist of it. Vengence, really.

And small dicks.

johnnyfins

(3,993 posts)
4. You don't rename the Department of Defense
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:32 PM
Sep 2025

the Department of War and then NOT use it offensively. What a peaceful peace potus we have. Youngins? DRAFT is coming. MARK MY WORDS.

Anyone keeping tabs on war production besides weapons? Body bags, mres, uniforms, etc.?

Armies don't get built in the dark. It takes a huge effort.

0rganism

(25,715 posts)
5. 3 years? I love your optimism
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:36 PM
Sep 2025

Looks to me like F47 and his dunce dynasty will be holding the wheel for at least 10. I much prefer the 3-year plan.

Iggo

(50,059 posts)
7. That's what happens when they start shooting back.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:42 PM
Sep 2025

He killed 11 iffy dudes in Venezuela. And he killed two completely innocent people off North Korea.

He needs a war so he can claim super extra special strongman powers. And he’s gonna get one, soon as somebody’s had enough. And that’s what he’s counting on.

Iggo

(50,059 posts)
10. Try to start wars so that they can suspend the constitution and seize dictatorial powers?
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:54 PM
Sep 2025

bigtree

(94,672 posts)
11. the word 'specious' comes to mind
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 09:23 PM
Sep 2025

...without any care to debate the fallacies in that observation.

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