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Question: If the trumpstein files are a "Democrat (sic) hoax", wouldn't (Original Post) niyad Sep 2025 OP
And wouldn't Trump stumble over himself in his rush to release them? kentuck Sep 2025 #1
Things don't need to make sense when people don't have any sense. live love laugh Sep 2025 #18
Except Dolt45 DID Stumble Over Himself... The_Counsel Sep 2025 #28
Conversations With a Stone Are More Meaningful Than Any Attempt to Find Meaning Here The Roux Comes First Sep 2025 #2
Moreover... ProfessorGAC Sep 2025 #3
I suspect the existence of tapes "probably" Justice matters. Sep 2025 #29
Trump has tangled himself up in his own excuses. Ocelot II Sep 2025 #4
I think maybe his "FBI informant" days was his connection to Rudy... kentuck Sep 2025 #5
If it's a "Democrat Hoax" MLWR Sep 2025 #11
You recognized a common Trump tactic (making peoples' heads hurt). nt BootinUp Sep 2025 #6
My head, my stomach, my heart. . . niyad Sep 2025 #24
Since we're all speculating... Trueblue Texan Sep 2025 #7
Whether Trump was fully guilty of all the Epstein atrocities or tipped off the FBI, he is in deep trouble. colorado_ufo Sep 2025 #13
If that were the case, the Feds would have prosecuted Epstein in 2006/2007. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #16
Thanks for knowing... Trueblue Texan Sep 2025 #30
In your first scenario (Farmer) misanthrope Sep 2025 #20
An act of revenge born of frustration... Trueblue Texan Sep 2025 #31
Yeah, something where Epstein got between misanthrope Sep 2025 #32
GOP pretzel logic increases Tylenol sales surfered Sep 2025 #8
So, does that make RFKjr's claim that Tylenol + pregnant women equals autism a wash on the sales reports? Attilatheblond Sep 2025 #14
and alcohol. niyad Sep 2025 #25
Dems had amazing foresight Mblaze Sep 2025 #9
Nice post . . . comments too. yonder Sep 2025 #10
You are most welcome. niyad Sep 2025 #26
There you go "thunking" again SheltieLover Sep 2025 #12
I know. . see what happens when I have coffee and a few idle minutes? niyad Sep 2025 #27
unleashed poozwah Sep 2025 #15
Never try to rationalize TSF cray cray. Sneederbunk Sep 2025 #17
This claim is stupid LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2025 #19
I am sure MAGA can't/won't see the problem with their logic. LoisB Sep 2025 #21
It doesn't do any good to argue with stupid Nigrum Cattus Sep 2025 #22
there was something about drumpf ratting his good buddy out Kali Sep 2025 #23

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
1. And wouldn't Trump stumble over himself in his rush to release them?
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 11:28 AM
Sep 2025

If it was a "Democrat hoax"?

As usual, nothing he says makes any sense.

The_Counsel

(1,757 posts)
28. Except Dolt45 DID Stumble Over Himself...
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 03:59 PM
Sep 2025

…trying to make this thing public—until he realized his name was all up and through it.

Seems this idiot HAD to know he was knee deep in this mess and didn’t need to be told by the Attorney General.

But again, he’s an idiot. So…there’s that.

ProfessorGAC

(76,703 posts)
3. Moreover...
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 12:07 PM
Sep 2025

...wouldn't it encourage releasing the files? That would prove the "hoax".
But, they don't want to do that. I wonder why.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
29. I suspect the existence of tapes "probably"
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 05:34 PM
Sep 2025

tapes that would be hard to claim they are AI-generated because "AI" did not even "exists" at the time they were recorded.

Pedo felon is scared of them being made public so he hopes to con the gullible maga voters again because he's an expert at that (the only thing he's an expert of apart from scamming them over and over again while they lose their small businesses).

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
4. Trump has tangled himself up in his own excuses.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 12:12 PM
Sep 2025

If he he had been an FBI informant against Epstein, why wouldn't he have said so and even bragged about it? Since Epstein is dead and the case against him permanently shelved, why wouldn't he exalt himself as the guy who helped bring that evildoer to justice? It's quite possible that the FBI might have interviewed him at some point during the Florida investigation that resulted in Acosta's sweetheart plea deal, and maybe he's one of the unnamed people in the non-prosecution agreement that was part of that deal? The FBI often immunizes coconspirators in exchange for cooperation and information. If that's what happened, of course he doesn't want to talk about it, but why would Mike Johnson make that claim when everyone knows the FBI flips coconspirators?

And if the whole thing is just a "Democrat hoax," why doesn't he order the files released so we can see that it's a hoax? If the files name a bunch of Democrats as among Epstein's "clients," that would be an even more compelling reason for him to do it. So why doesn't he do it?

Whatever is in those files must be so bad - probably involving not only sexual acts with minors but participation in Epstein's money laundering and international sex trafficking schemes - that Trump is willing to risk incurring the wrath of MAGA. He probably didn't know what the FBI really had on him until Bondi had the FBI scour the files for his name, or else he had either enough influence to avoid prosecution or a nonprosecution deal in exchange for cooperation - but now he does know and he's willing to move heaven and earth to keep them under wraps.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
5. I think maybe his "FBI informant" days was his connection to Rudy...
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 12:16 PM
Sep 2025

...who had his own friends working in the FBI for him when he was with the SDNY, and after he became mayor. He and Trump have always been best buds.

Trueblue Texan

(4,464 posts)
7. Since we're all speculating...
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 12:25 PM
Sep 2025

What if the FBI was conducting surveillance due to Maria Farmer's complaint? What if TSF was caught and FBI offered him a deal to inform on the Epstein trafficking scheme? TSF would take the deal in a heartbeat. I think it's either that or when TSF told Epstein he wanted a cut of the profits and Epstein refused, TSF went to the FBI. Though that would involve risking his own butt. I think the former idea has more logic. Either way, Epstein told Michael Wolfe he believed TSF was the one who tipped off the FBI.

colorado_ufo

(6,252 posts)
13. Whether Trump was fully guilty of all the Epstein atrocities or tipped off the FBI, he is in deep trouble.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 01:34 PM
Sep 2025

Either legally, or at the hands of the rich and powerful people he gave up to the FBI.

I hope the truth comes out before he dies.

Wiz Imp

(9,996 posts)
16. If that were the case, the Feds would have prosecuted Epstein in 2006/2007.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 01:52 PM
Sep 2025

Not to mention the fact that Maria Farmer called the FBI in 1996 and the FBI didn't investigate until 2006. The Palm Beach police didn't even investigate until 2005.

I know you're not trying to defend Trump, so don't twist yourself in knots trying to think of a rational explanation for Trump's rantings. Trump never went to the FBI about Epstein's sex trafficking. If Trump ever talked to the FBI about Epstein, it was about financial crimes and money laundering. This claim is just another figment of Trump's imagination.

Trueblue Texan

(4,464 posts)
30. Thanks for knowing...
Sun Sep 7, 2025, 10:52 AM
Sep 2025

I would NEVER, EVER in a million years defend that scumbag! I completely believe Katie Johnson's account that he raped a 12-year old girl and then complained about her performance.

misanthrope

(9,495 posts)
20. In your first scenario (Farmer)
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 02:13 PM
Sep 2025

an agreement to cooperate as a response to a threat would be against character for Trump. Even if it was federal law enforcement, Trump would want to become the aggressor and turn the tables using attorneys.

If Trump tipped off the FBI, I think it was more likely some act of revenge born from frustration.

Trueblue Texan

(4,464 posts)
31. An act of revenge born of frustration...
Sun Sep 7, 2025, 10:53 AM
Sep 2025

...that Epstein wouldn't give him a cut of the profits would be my guess.

Attilatheblond

(8,877 posts)
14. So, does that make RFKjr's claim that Tylenol + pregnant women equals autism a wash on the sales reports?
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 01:39 PM
Sep 2025

Are the idiots chasing their own tails or each others'?

poozwah

(413 posts)
15. unleashed
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 01:51 PM
Sep 2025

with all their bullshit about democrats being the sick sexual predators, the trumpublicans never realized that this scandal, like an angry pit bull, will turn on you. while trump is president, we most likely will not discover the people and the organizations involved in these crimes. the republican party now requires its an oath of omerta to be taken by every member of the magafia.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,317 posts)
22. It doesn't do any good to argue with stupid
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 02:23 PM
Sep 2025

The only true substitute for intelligence is silence -
and ignorant/dense/shallow/witless people won't stop talking

Kali

(56,829 posts)
23. there was something about drumpf ratting his good buddy out
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 03:00 PM
Sep 2025

after good buddy scooped him in some real estate deal. could that be it?

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