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Talking Points Memo - By Josh Marshall
|September 6, 2025
Yesterday Speaker Mike Johnson was on the Hill talking to reporters running Trump defense on the Epstein files. It sounds like pretty standard stuff and then he says this: When he first heard the rumor he kicked [Epstein] out of Mar-a-Lago. He was an FBI informant who tried to take this stuff down.
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Well, this reminded me of something I saw in one of those recent interviews with journalist Michael Wolff, who has been out in the media letting everyone know that he has some large quantity of taped interviews with Epstein from during Trumps first presidency but before his rearrest and eventual suicide.
Wolff said that Epstein suspected that Trump was the guy who ratted him out to the authorities. So maybe some version of Johnsons claim isnt that far-fetched. But of course this isnt actually exonerating at all. In fact, it implicates Trump about as badly as anything weve heard to date.
Epstein was trying to buy a South Florida estate. He brought Trump along to see it one time. A short time later Epstein found out that Trump had gone behind his back and placed a higher and ultimately successful bid on the property. Hed snatched it out from under him with a much higher bid. The problem was that Trumps entire empire in 2004 was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. It made no sense that Trump was coming up with $41 million to buy this property. Epstein suspected that Trump was acting as a front for a Russian oligarch as a money-laundering scheme. And in fact Trump did purchase and flip the estate two years later to a Russian oligarch named Dmitry Rybolovlev for $95 million, or a profit of over $50 million dollars.
To sum up: Epstein may have planned to turn djt in for money laundering... djt turned Epstein in on pedo charges first.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/is-this-the-hidden-part-of-the-trump-epstein-drama
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Turning-in is a one-time event. Being an informer is a long duration sequence of events.
I think you are right, Moses Johnson will hang his "informer" claim on the "turning-in" hook.
dflprincess
(29,083 posts)If Trump was an informant it's because he cut a deal to rat Epstein out in exchange for immunity from prosecution.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)JoseBalow
(8,913 posts)That would be my follow-up question.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)allegorical oracle
(5,987 posts)employees -- but perhaps over a real estate deal. If Johnson asked djt about it, odds are good that djt made up a story about being an informant.
JoseBalow
(8,913 posts)This is something drumpf is trying to plant, floating another bullshit story to see if it gains traction.
It's typical of him to try to paint himself as some kind of hero to distract from his culpability and involvement. And he lacks any self-awareness of how obvious and pathetic that looks to everyone else who isn't kissing his ass and is on to his shtick.
He is a legend in his own mind.
Ocelot II
(128,290 posts)If he was an informant that meant he knew what Epstein was up to. And much of the time, informants (or percipient witnesses) are coconspirators who roll on their associates in exchange for immunity - did Trump roll on Epstein to avoid prosecution along with him for sex trafficking and money laundering? Is that why Trump doesn't want the complete Epstein files released? And did Johnson just roll on Trump, accidentally or otherwise? Does he actually know something or was he just making shit up to try to save Trump's ass?
EarthAbides
(403 posts)Either it is a hoax spun by the democrats or the fascist pig is an informant. If it is a hoax, how can you be an informant? If you are an informant, how can it be a hoax? Do they ever think this stuff through?
allegorical oracle
(5,987 posts)Timewas
(2,576 posts)One doesn't exclude the other. I would not be surprise at all to find that they were close as hell until t-rump didn't get his way about something and decided to rat him out, loyalty is not big on t-rumps agenda...
Jarqui
(10,784 posts)that is used by FBI agents to record their contacts with unofficial criminal informants
or whatever other FBI documents that recorded this.
And the time stamped backup media of scans of this evidence to substantiate it was not just created.
There is nothing classified with those facts as the Speaker of the House has already revealed it. They can redact classified info in the report/form if there is any. Trump was not an elected official at the time so he shouldn't have any classified info.
Since Trump allegedly did this, those reports or references to them (that an informant claimed " xxx ..."
should have been turned over to Epstein's defense team and probably Ghislaine Maxwell's as the prosecution is supposed to reveal what evidence they had against the criminals. Epstein is dead. Trump has disclosed he was an informant against Epstein so there are no excuses to not disclose what Trump told the FBI. If Maxwell's team didn't not get them, she can appeal her conviction.
Among other adjectives, we can now add "rat" to describe the most decrepit pig to ever work in the Oval office.
proud patriot
(102,319 posts)Ilsa
(63,610 posts)take to the local jurisdiction.
Johonny
(25,070 posts)And only after it finally broke with the public did the awful nature of the deal lead to his second arrest.
Ilsa
(63,610 posts)Raven123
(7,313 posts)If Trump knew about Epstein, you cant convince me he didnt know about Maxwell.
JoseBalow
(8,913 posts)drumpf has "rat" written all over him.
Johonny
(25,070 posts)Trump would have released the files. So this isn't the whole story or maybe any part of it. Although the Wolf story is likely true and the actual reason they had a falling out.
SunSeeker
(57,255 posts)Heather Cox Richardson reiterated this:
Yesterday, talking to reporters about the Epstein files, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) said that Trump was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down. The idea that Trump was secretly working to bring Epstein down is common fare among conspiracy theorists, but as Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo suggests, Johnsons embrace of it might well be an attempt to spin material in the files before it becomes public.
Marshall notes that journalist Michael Wolff, who interviewed Epstein at length during Trumps first presidency, says that Epstein suspected it was Trump who told the authorities about his systemic sexual assault of girls. But if so, Marshall explains, this is damning rather than exonerating.
Its pretty well known that Trump and Epstein had a falling out in 2004 after Trump went behind Epsteins back to buy an estate in South Florida that Epstein wanted. But at the time, Trump was headed toward bankruptcy, and it was not clear where he was getting the money to buy the estate.
Marshall calls attention to a recent interview in which Wolff said that Epstein suspected Trump was laundering money for a Russian oligarchand indeed, Trump did flip the property to a Russian oligarch for a profit of more than $50 million a few years after buying itand threatened to sue Trump, bringing the money laundering to light. At that point, the Epstein investigation began.
According to Wolff, Epstein believed Trump had notified the police about what was going on at Epsteins house, which he knew because he was a frequent visitor. Marshall speculates that Johnson mentioned that Trump was an informant because that information could well be in the files the Department of Justice has, and theyre trying to spin it ahead of time to make it sound like Trump was a hero.
But both Wolff and Marshall note that if indeed Trump turned the FBI onto Epstein, it shows he knew what was taking place at Epsteins properties.
Johnsons claim that Trump was an FBI informant suggests Trumps team is worried that as more and more people get access to the files, it will be increasingly difficult to hide whats in them. Trump's demand for Republicans loyalty suggests that at least some of them are starting to recalculate it. And that, in turn, might have something to do with why he is putting troops in the streets.
https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/september-6-2025?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email