My husband has said repeatedly that they "Just have not suffered enough"

[TNNurse]

to realize the damage this administration is doing. He meant financial but now it is going to be more and more preventable illnesses, more death from cancer and just plain medical incompetence. This is going to be literal suffering, pain and loss.

[The Madcap]

1. It won't matter.

They believe that suffering makes one stronger. All while falling apart both physically and mentally.

[cachukis]

5. They resent that we think they are unable to

make better choices.

[Quanta]

15. Then maybe they should, oh I don't know...

Prove us wrong?

[Shipwack]

55. How dare we be right!

I’m going to write them a completely contrite letter of apology…

… as soon as my “giv-a-fuck” tank is filled up.

Running on fumes right now…

[mcar]

23. They will find some way to blame Biden

and us "libtards." Or, Trump will tell them they've never been healthier and they'll believe it - even on their deathbeds.

[RVN VET71]

66. Yep

"But my cancer would have been so much worse if Trump hadn't shut down the CDC and banned vaccines and taken the so-called science out of medicine."


or

"My daughter died of the measles, but her death would have been much more painful if she'd been vaccinated. And at least she didn't get the autism!"

I could go, sadly, on.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Their hatred of others is more important than their own suffering.

They will even sacrifice their children.

[usaf-vet]

9. Need proof....? Jonestown 1978 mass suicide, INCLUDING children.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0762111/

[Attilatheblond]

40. While their hatred does lead them astray, many of them blame Biden for what Trump does/did

Man on the street interviews with maga twits have shown that over and over. "Biden did that!" syndrome and when interviewers correct them, more often than not, they persist in their delusions that it's all on Biden.

[Irish_Dem]

42. This is due to their hatred of Biden and liberals.

All roads lead back to their hatred of everyone but themselves.

[ananda]

47. That's because liberals are inclusive and egalitarian.

The white supremacist world cannot have that.

[BidenRocks]

51. We read!

Then we confirm what we read is true! Comprehension sure helps.

Plus reading is easier when your lips don't move!

Illiterates should never preach to anyone. They didn't read it or confirm it. It was told to them by reich wing media and they believe it.

The truth is out there!

I had a friend years ago and one today who are functionally illiterate. It is scary as hell. It leads to not reading due to the difficulty, and making up words if the other is too large. I have had to read and explain many things like instructions and the meaning of the large words and what they mean. The problem is when what you are reading conflicts with what they heard. I get aggravated when they dig in.

Patience is indeed a virtue. Where can I buy some?

[Irish_Dem]

60. It is estimated that 21% of all American adults are illiterate!

This is about 45 million adults in the US.

54% of all Americans have a reading level below 6th grade.

These figures are astounding to me. A big portion of the US cannot engage
in society because they cannot read.

No one seems to care about the US dismal literacy rate.

I am out of patience now, and out of words.
Some days my posts here are just cuss words.

[ananda]

46. They won't suffer quietly, and even if they blame Trump...

I still don't think they will ever vote Democratic.

The hate and fear do run that deep, and it's ripe
for exploitation as well.

The billionaires want to keep us divided.

[Irish_Dem]

57. When the USSR fell apart, Putin blamed the US and swore revenge.

He wants to shatter the US into small parts forever.

He is an old KGB agent and has been working on his plan for decades.
It has been quite successful.

Yes the billionaires are onboard too.

It is the old Roman strategy, divide and conquer.

All for money and power.

[ananda]

59. It wasn't that hard to do either...

since white supremacy, and the practice of
slavery and genocide are embedded in
the clollective psyche of this nation.

[Irish_Dem]

61. Yes it was quite easy to exploit America's original sin, slavery and racism.

And use it to divide the country.

[ananda]

63. Also consider it as the legacy of Queen Victoria.

Her children ruled several countries -- Kaiser Wilhelm in
Germany, Czar Nicholas in arussia, and several orhers.

And they left a trail of brutal autocracy, leading directly
to the way the USA has embraced it today.

I mean, Donald Trump wants to be king of Europe and
also the pope, with the legacy of the papacy stemming
from Avignon and a brutal history of brutal missionary
zwal combined with colonial exploitation.

This kind of autocracy and the wish to plunder resources
just won't die, not even after revolutions and the wish
to be free and equal.

It's like a devolution that just keeps going lower and lower,
with no end in sight... at least not yet.

[Irish_Dem]

64. yes the battle between good and evil is never ending.

It is the iconic human condition.

[ananda]

65. It's interesting that you used the word "iconic".

As though it stems directly from the gilded
saints of Russia,...

Have you seen any films by Tarkovsky,
like Andrei Rublev?

[Irish_Dem]

69. I have not seen the films you reference.

Perhaps I should look them up!

[ananda]

71. Well, I think of Tarkovsky as a kind of harbinger...

for what the Soviet Union and the USA would become.

He is arguably the greatest filmmaker of all time.

He started out filming in Russia, mostly futuristic, sci fi
genres so as to escape arrest and exile.

He did finally have to flee from Russia to Europe, where
he made a few wonderful films before dying of brain
cancer caused by filming in toxic waste sites in Russia.

Andrei Rublev is his masterpiece detailing the life of
the greatest icon maker of all time.

Enjoy.

[Irish_Dem]

72. Many thanks!

During the winter I love watching as many movies as I can.
I don't go out in the ice and snow since I have osteoporosis.
But I am very active the rest of the year outside.

I am putting the films you reference on my list of things to watch.

[ananda]

74. Excellent!

Let me know what you think of them.

BTW, Ingmar Bergman said of one of Tarkovsky's
later films: That's the film I would have made if
I'd known how.

[Irish_Dem]

75. Yes. I will!

Wow. Coming from Bergman that is high praise.

[Johonny]

49. Look how many red states are going down the shithole

In terms of standard of living, education, health, . . . These states if anything are going redder and redder while voting themselves into a living hell. But it owes the libs, so they think it's worth it.

[Irish_Dem]

58. The more hell they are in, the more they keep voting for it.

[Butterflylady]

3. I agree with your husband.......

[calimary]

17. So do I.

[LakeVermilion]

4. American farmers have not sold one; not one soybean to China this year.

I heard that on a farm report, during a University of Minnesota football game yesterday.

Could be a lot of whining in a month or two.

[TNNurse]

6. We went to Indiana in August

We drove by miles and miles and acres and acres of soybeans. They were beautiful fields. We wondered if there would be a market for them.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

12. Same here in southeast South Dakota...

... soybeans on my friends farm look fantastic and have since the end of June. Wondering if he will be able to sell them. His corn looks great, too!

[YodaMom2]

18. Market, hell -

I wonder if there’ll be anyone left to harvest them.

[Cirsium]

25. No need

Row crops are mechanically harvested.

Soy:

Corn:

Wheat:

[YodaMom2]

31. I didn't realize soy bean harvest was 100% mechanized now.

Thanks for educating this life-long suburban Cali girl!

[TNNurse]

36. But if you cannot sell those soybeans

where will you get the money to repair and maintain those expensive machines???

[Attilatheblond]

41. If soy harvesters are like most wheat harvesters, it is done by traveling troups, not the land owners

unless they own a huge swath of land. Those machines are very expensive and there are big companies what come thru the plains harvesting. A team of them will go thru the fields fast then move on to the next farm.

[FHRRK]

53. Multiple impacts

Thus the John Deere layoffs last month.

Farmers will be looking to cut equipment costs, resale market will be inflationary, so equupment mfg and farmers will take a hit.

[stopdiggin]

26. other crops may require additional 'workers' for harvest

the crops mentioned here - no.
( if that is what you were referring to. realize there might be other interpretations ... )

[Cirsium]

38. Yes

Fruits and vegetables are mostly hand harvested, although the main fruit crop here is not.

[littlemissmartypants]

13. U.S. Soy and Soy Product Usage, USDA

Typically, U.S. domestic meal consumption is the largest demand driver of U.S. soybean meal production, accounting for 74 percent of U.S. soybean meal production. Since marketing year 2023/24, U.S. soybean meal exports have reached record highs, as crush expansion has expanded more than the domestic demand can utilize (for more information, see Oil Crops Outlook, January 2025)*. While a higher share of soybean meal is going to the export market, more of the soybean oil is being used domestically as a feedstock for biomass-based diesel production. In turn, this development has reduced the share of soybean oil being exported and used in food, feed, and other industrial, which includes stocks at biofuel processing facilities (for more information, see Oil Crops Outlook, December 2023)**.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/soybeans-and-oil-crops/oil-crops-sector-at-a-glance

*https://ers.usda.gov/publications/pub-details?pubid=110702

**https://ers.usda.gov/publications/pub-details?pubid=108090

[Heidi]

16. Farms are a major exploiter of undocumented workers,

so these ICE raids come at a particularly inconvenient time for them. It pains me to say it because I have beloved friends in the Midwest who’ve managed to keep their family farms despite the 80s farm crisis, but the truth is that price supports and exploitation of undocumented laborers are what keep US food prices lower than those in other developed nations. I’m torn because US farmers turned out en masse to vote for a Lying Loser who told everyone exactly who je was/is and what he would do if he were elected. So here we are.

In 2020–22, 32 percent of crop farmworkers were U.S. born, 7 percent were immigrants who had obtained U.S. citizenship, 19 percent were other authorized immigrants (primarily permanent residents or green-card holders), and the remaining 42 percent held no work authorization.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=63466

[Cirsium]

29. Row crops

Soy, corn and wheat are mechanically harvested.

Farmers do not represent a large enough voting bloc to influence elections.

Terrorizing immigrants, abuse and civil rights violations, mass detention and deportation have been going on for a long time under every administration.

The timeline of deportations from President Reagan to President Biden reveals intriguing shifts in immigration enforcement. During Reagan's administration, deportations were relatively high, with 3,548,382 in his first term and 4,444,364 in his second. President H.W. Bush saw a slight increase to 4,728,471. Under Clinton, deportations surged, reaching 5,368,529 in the first term and peaking at 6,922,376 in the second. The W. Bush administration maintained high numbers with 5,279,314 in the first term and 4,760,410 in the second. President Obama’s first term saw 3,160,140 deportations, decreasing to 2,871,899 in his second term. Under Trump, the count was 2,073,208, while Biden, as of 2022, has seen 2,808,946 deportations.

[Heidi]

32. Did I say "row-crop farmers"?

No, I did not.

[Cirsium]

37. Context

LakeVermilion: "American farmers have not sold one; not one soybean to China this year..."

You: "Farms are a major exploiter of undocumented workers..."

Me: "Soy, corn and wheat are mechanically harvested."

[NickB79]

48. After the first tariffs in 2016, China basically decoupled from the US Midwest

They invested heavily in trade deals with Brazil and Argentina for their grain imports. They have the added benefit of cropping 2 or even 3 harvests a year with their tropical climate.

China even went so far as to construct megaports there specifically to handle all the corn and soy exports.

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/china-is-building-megaports-in-south-america-to-feed-its-need-for-crops-8831748e?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAhj3YbvUEIlDPdLybpx3E5lbB7vp1zHyt8cqb9IfuvA5Vtr4zvslKx5z973Gdo%3D&gaa_ts=68be3169&gaa_sig=KpDHcqvcWr7KG0UtwJFmBfPxx8-YLnWRvbjwntTjeQZHUPbL03GGVYG-KFNOB1ap-yO9uJK_jMgrPGxEGz0zzw%3D%3D

Trump has likely killed grain deals that took decades to establish. US farmers will be hurting for years to come now.

[CincyDem]

7. Nope - they've got a lot of hatred built up, a lot of it generational.

They will see the suffering as further proof that Trump hasn’t gone far enough. They see this as something they have to go through…their salvation is on the other side of the suffering. I’ve actually heard a MAGAt complaining about food prices resigned to it because “it’s what we gotta do for our children to have a better world”.

That’s the real Trump Derangement Syndrome. I suspect it’s the same will all cults. The folks at Jonestown through they were the ones with he clear view of the world while everyone else was wrong. Sad that the human psyche works that way.

[Nasruddin]

39. There's no end to this

They could be lying in a ditch, homeless, starving, and sick, with an ICEtapo masked man beating them to within an inch of their lives, and the last words on their lips would be "MAGA! More Trump!"

Trump cannot fail. He can only be failed.

[IbogaProject]

8. It will still be our party's fault to them

They don't exist in reality so the will just circle to the next excuse for their failures and shortcomings just like their role model DJT.

[nuxvomica]

10. It will be as absurd as "Why didn't the Dems stop this?"

If they can't find someone else to blame for a bad result from a Trump policy, they will blame it on the Democrats for not stopping him.

[Katinfl]

11. It's not "them". They will never get it. They think he is great and the suffering is okay because he will fix it.

It’s the millions of other people that sat out the election because “they are all alike”. May they suffer for their ignorance. But, unfortunately, we all suffer for their ignorance. If this does not wake up people to the damage he is doing to our country, I don’t know what will. These are dire times we are living in.

[3825-87867]

14. It's like religion.

They've been told something for so long, they automatically believe it even though they have no proof. Sadly, there is no way to make most of them understand.

[thomski64]

20. ...the mind fuck is in place" Joe Bageant..

[wolfie001]

62. Just looked that fellow up

He died too young and has been ignored by mainstream publishers. Great critiques from his vantage point about the idiot poor whites that vote against their own interests. I hope he gets some coverage in the future because he was a wise sage.

[Joinfortmill]

19. Yes, and if they survive, they will carry the stain, like all the 'good Germans' who knew nothing.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

21. They will never blame Trump

It will always be [Obama, Biden, Hillary or any convenient Democrat]'s fault. No matter what. Nothing can ever be blamed on Trump - that is their First Commandment.

[DownriverDem]

22. Much of suffering

won't happen until after the Midterms. It was part of the plan to get their nasty bill passed.

[Orrex]

24. For what they've inlicted upon us, they can *never* suffer enough

[marble falls]

27. They are sowing the winds, and they will reap the whirlwinds. Count on it and we need to shelter ourselves ...

... from the inevitable.

[mainer]

28. No, they will go to their graves shouting "MAGA!"

They will let their kids die of communicable diseases.Like that family in Texas who said their unvaccinated daughter who died of measles, was in "a better place."
They will eat Ivermectin and refuse vaccines as H5N1 kills them and their neighbors.
They will starve to death and blame it on Biden.
They will lose their homes and jobs and still worship Trump.
There is no getting through to these people.

[Heidi]

33. Cult (nt)

[DBoon]

30. like the people who were dying of Covid

Who insisted up to their last breath that Covid was a liberal plot and there was nothing wrong with them

We had over a million deaths and to this day people still deny it

[mucifer]

34. It's like other authoritarian regimes. We are no different . Lots of people are brainwashed.

[Mysterian]

35. I've thought that for a long time

People who vote for republicans need to see the end result of republican policies to learn that they're not members of the club.

[ClickClack]

43. "They" WHO? I left my mind-reading hat in another dimension. (eom)

[progressoid]

52. They Trump voters (eom)

[SupportSanity]

44. Agreed. You want suffering? No masks and the latest epidemic. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers.

Thoughts and prayers worked so well with Covid.

When enough MAGAs start dying............

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

45. "Lets see what happens" is what they say..per someone redditor

MAGAs already hurting from Trump's policies were saying to this week's based job numbers. Nothing will shake their love if Trump.

The deportation actions are making them so happy.

[kimbutgar]

50. And the red states will suffer more than the blue ones that still believe in science and running government for the

Citizens. As opposed as to the red states bowing to the billionaire donors and screwing over the working class people.Get sick and die will be their motive for governing.

[betsuni]

54. Stubborn. Unwillingly to admit it when wrong. Defensive. Insecure. Arrogant.

[edhopper]

56. The Russians worshipped Stalin

as he dragged their neighbors into the Streets and shot them.
There is no amount of suffering that will sway some MAGA.

[OldBaldy1701E]

67. All by design. (n/t)

[Best_man23]

68. Pain is the ONLY thing a MAGAT understands

That's all.

[Ursus Rex]

70. Making America Russia Again?

Same plans and templates, same beneficiaries, same results.

[Johnny2X2X]

73. Soup lines

Even when they're standing in soup lines by the thousands, they still won't get it.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. This is why I'm opposed

To bailing out farmers in Arkansas. They made their bed, now they have to lie in it.