WTF is WRONG with AMERICA? An adult man sending a nudie doodle love letter to a pedophile results in mass yawns.

[Miles Archer]

And NO, I AM NOT going to do the "IMAGINE IF BIDEN OR OBAMA DID THIS" thing.

TRUMP did it. People can BELIEVE what they WANT to BELIEVE, but TRUMP saying

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

...maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here, but this sort of tells me that Trump knew EXACTLY how far on "the younger side" Jeffy "liked" them.

WHY ISN'T AMERICA screaming for Trump's REMOVAL FROM OFFICE?

[1WorldHope]

1. I am.

[BlueTsunami2018]

2. Because nobody cares anymore.

It’s a partisan issue now, the cult doesn’t give a shit because their guy is in power. They think the people who do care only do because they hate Piss.

It just doesn’t matter.

I’m sorry but that’s the way it is.

[madinmaryland]

5. The republicans would still have power if trump resigned or was forced out.

They have control of all three branches and a republican would take over regardless of what happens to trump.

It. Is. A. Fucking. Cult.

[popsdenver]

18. Most MAGA men probably

are envious of him and Epstein, and all the other UBER Rich, along with Politcians that joined in with Epstein and Trump''s sickness.....

[2MuchNoise]

38. I think you're right. They want to do it too.

[Miles Archer]

46. I think the bigger picture is that they envy Trump GETTING AWAY WITH IT more than they envy what he does

The old "WITH IMPUNITY" thing.

They want to follow their own worst instincts, and just like Trump, never be held accountable for their actions. THAT'S what they REALLY envy.

[Silent Type]

54. And the only reason they want Epstein files released is they are hoping for photos.

Bunch of sick MFers.

[underpants]

76. I disagree. What I'm seeing is that it still in the conversation even in MAGA

X Facebook etc.

They sold themselves on this (and not just full QAnon folks) a long time ago. They see this as a direct betrayal.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. I think

When it first arose people were disgusted. The shock has worn off. We know he's a rapist and a pedo.

There will be a reckoning in this country if we have the WILL when the regime falls. Its going to take squashing talk of coming together for the greater good. Never this way pass again.

[Blue Owl]

4. Man, if this came from Clinton, Obama, or Biden -- the RW would be having an absolute MELTDOWN

If only they were capable of comprehending the degree of their own fucking goddamned HYPOCRISY....

[Bengus81]

26. They did have a meltdown (albeit feigned outrage) during the Clinton/Lewinsky years

[Miles Archer]

47. I VERY CLEARLY REMEMBER GWB campaigning on...quote..."RESTORING HONOR AND DIGNITY TO THE WHITE HOUSE."

Then he and Chaney led us into war in Iraq on bad, "cooked" intelligence, so that pretty much ended that idea.

[Bettie]

6. His supporters are used to seeing

youth pastors and pastors get busted for sexual abuse, they think it's OK.

They think it's even better that he is getting away with it.

So, him doing it just makes it seem like a good idea to their diseased magat brains.

[Wednesdays]

15. And that it's a hoax generated by Liberals

Yeah, pedos are only Democrats, in their minds.

[whathehell]

30. I have to respectfully disagree that

Trump's supporters "are used to seeing youth pastors and pastors get busted for sexual abuse, they think it's OK".

Virtually NO one thinks the sexual abuse of children, especially by religious clergy, is in any way "Ok".

[Bettie]

37. They SAY they disapprove

then, they go home and molest their daughters.

I'm glad you never experienced this.

My father was a fixture in the church, so was my uncle. Both super con and super religious.

They said one thing and did another.

[Miles Archer]

49. I have seen MAGAt responses to Trump's frequent incestuous remarks about his daughter...

...they basically normalize it, another "just Trump being Trump" thing, saying a lot of dads feel the same way.

I've never known a dad who felt that way, and if I did, i'd torch any bridges connecting me to him.

[whathehell]

85. Who are "they"?

Are you saying the entire conclave of conservative clergymen molest their daughters?.. I'm sorry, but that's broadbrushing in the extreme and just not credible.
I am sorry that you had such a terrible experienced.
As for me, you don't know me or what I've experienced.

[Bettie]

87. Not the "entire conclave", but

a significant number.

Have you never heard of child sexual abuse by Catholic priests for decades?

Youth pastors and pastors of various denominations arrested regularly?

If you've never heard about this...well, you must live under a rock or in a state of denial.

Not all, but enough to be concerning.

You seem to believe that it never happens, that all clergy and their followers are good people.

That just isn't true.

[BigMin28]

78. Take a deep look

Into the Southern Baptist Convention.

[Torchlight]

7. One way or another, the story's not going away.

I only wonder at how long before the dam breaks, and how much damage the ornage comrade will do in the meantimme.

[popsdenver]

20. You can be sure

that many in Germany felt that about Hitler..........

[BoRaGard]

8. It's the kind of pervo shit people expect from repubes

this is who they are

[wiggs]

9. Serious question: what's the best way to put context to this cartoon and to TSF's whole life wrt predatory

behavior?

It's not working to have a headline or two once in a while (and Fox viewers don't see any headlines of this type). It's not working to have long discussions on MSNBC panels devoted to his neediness and malignant narcissism and the expression of those pertaining to relationships with women. Books have been written on how awful of a human he is...doesn't leave a mark. He shouldn't have gotten close to a nomination in 2016, let alone 2020...so something is way off. With a couple of exceptions it's not working to take him to court (Cohen knows something about that). Millions of people protesting him and his policies are energizing, but hasn't changed much that i can see (maybe if they keep growing?). Running great candidates works, but it's an uphill battle and who is to say the next election and the one after that will be fair?

Something has to change because it's not happening on its own.

What else can be done? How can all the pieces of his degeneracy, immoral nature, and weirdness be put together in a compelling way that doesn't just focus on the latest outrage at the expense of previous outrages? Can we go all the way back to paint an accurate picture of his life wrt women?

Full page weekly ads about the latest outrages? A weekly cable series highlighting the history of this sorry, limited person? Each week could be a different aspect of his disorder. First week: women. Then financial cheating including stiffing anyone he can and cheating at golf. Then his 1,200 court cases in week 3. Week 4 is lying...or maybe that's week 4/5/6 since there's so much. Racism. Then ignorance. Bankruptcies and poor ideas. Covid.

Plenty of material, which gets forgotten as each outrage earns a bit of discussion as though nothing came before it.

[Miles Archer]

50. I think we first have to understand something that's inexplicable...

...and that is WHY PEOPLE DON'T CARE.

Can't craft a message that's effective until you truly understand the recipient. And the problem I have is that 100% of the people I know personally are sickened and outraged by Trump. I've never met an "I don't care" person. If I did, I'd endeavor to find out why they didn't, then try to reason with them on some level where this actually DID matter to them.

[Ray Bruns]

11. What's wrong with America is there are too many 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60

Year old toddlers running around unsupervised.

[Attilatheblond]

39. Narcissism is endemic in this country lately

We need a vaccine that will control THAT contagion.

[littlemissmartypants]

53. It's why I refer to social media as "so me" because we are a nation sick with narcissism. ❤️

[Karasu]

12. The love letter is coded as fuck. There hasn't been nearly enough emphasis on that. "May each day be a wonderful

secret?"

Men who aren't in a romantic relationship with each other don't usually sign their letters to their best friends that way. But there's definitely a "secret" here in plain sight, between the drawing itself and the fact that "enigmas never age" is a clear anagram for "gamines never age."

"But how would Trump know what a gamine is? He speaks at the level of a 4th grader."

True. But after hanging with Epstein and Maxwell for so fucking long, I'm sure he picked up on plenty of pedospeak.

[Attilatheblond]

42. Interesting thought

as for Trump knowing the word, he may have learned it from Ghislaine Maxwell when he asked where she found all the beautiful little girls.

[Joinfortmill]

57. It's been reported they did share a girlfriend at one point

[William Gustafson]

63. Yea. Malanie... Epstein had he first, then Trump nailed her on the plane

[Stargleamer]

13. They don't hear about this on Fox News. . .

so they don't know about it.

Constant Propaganda is what saves Trump.

My guess is a lot of them never heard the Access Hollywood tape either.

[progressoid]

32. This.

And it's not just Fox. They control most of the old school media in the US.

Meanwhile X, TicTok etc., have algorithms that keep them in their little misinformed bubble.

[DeeDeeNY]

68. Exactly!!

[wolfie001]

14. This POS in the WH calling Joe Biden and Tom Hanks horrible people

Disgusting fat orange slimy mf'er.

[BaronChocula]

16. Who's Epstein again?

Yeah I heard something about him on Fallon. Some sex scandal. He's a senator or something right? Those guys are all scumbags. You know what I'm talking about.

I think that's what we're dealing with.

[Evolve Dammit]

17. Seriously

[moonshinegnomie]

19. he sued the jounal for 10B

at teh very least the journal should sue him back for teh same 10B

[H2O Man]

21. Recommended.

I agree 100% with you. However, I would take it a step further -- rather than screaming, why aren't people taking constructive actions to at least clog the gears of the maga machinery, as the first step needed to remove him from office?

[Arazi]

22. That drawing doesn't look like a grown ass woman either

[Midnight Writer]

52. Exactly. She is deliberately drawn to look like a young girl.

And the odd language is wink and a nod from one partner to another.

Something cute here is being played between these two men.

[malaise]

23. Folks are waking up

This shit is getting real

[calimary]

66. Dear God I hope so!

We haven’t reached critical mass yet, though.

[sheshe2]

24. This image:

— 𝖣 𝖪 𝖡𝗈𝖽𝗁𝗂 (@dkbohdi.bsky.social) 2025-09-08T22:23:18.370Z

Epstein and Trump with two of his very young children, Jr and Ivanka.

[mcar]

25. Front page of both WaPo and NYT

Nicole did her first hour on it. It's getting attention.

But yes, there should be screaming about it from pundits and Republicans.

As a side note, I'm enjoying MAGAts on social media trying to spin this. "That's not his signature."

[jgmiller]

27. America has been screaming for his removal for years

The difference is that the people who have been screaming (and there are millions of them) believe in the rule of law and don't support insurections. The people that keep Trump in power know this and so they just ignore those of us screaming.

[Bengus81]

28. It took two years and two months to take Nixon down after the Watergate break-in

Don't give up,keep talking it up..........

[LeftInTX]

34. Hello? He did much worse his first term.

Unfortunately, this card isn't impeachment material since it was likely sent before he was in office.

It shows a horrible moral character, but sending a card isn't a crime.

If it had been exposed before he ran he in 2016, it may have had an impact. But now that he's in office...again....what can it do?

[malaise]

44. THIS

Rec

[Chasstev365]

29. 25 % of his supporters are gone

They parrot things like "fake" and "hoax" and will stay with him forever. You will never returm them to realitly

I imagine some would even blame the under age victims stating "she tempted him."

We need to mobilize the 40 % of people who don't vote if we are to save American democracy.

[ToxMarz]

31. Much of America is screaming that

And a significant portion is thinking it if not screaming it.

THE PROBLEM:
1/3 of this country ( or more conservatively about 25% strongly and 10% generally) are FUCKING MAGAts!!

THAT is what is wrong with this country!

Trump is a manifestation of these MAGAts. He made himself their "vessel" and they grabbed it. He knew they were too stupid to do anything about it if he got power, and how easily he could keep thier support by being as ugly as they are.

And the media amplifys the MAGAt voices , so they seem universal and poison those not already MAGAts.

[creeksneakers2]

33. National mass psychosis.

[Karasu]

41. Republican mass psychosis, at the very least, but that's been going on for a long fucking time now.

[creeksneakers2]

61. Yep. It really took off when the right wing took over AM radio.

[usonian]

35. He's pretty clear on this matter.

Brain and anti-brain cancel out to zero.

Kinda like his Christ and Antichrist.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20617620

[Fiddlelady11]

36. Nobody. Is

Yawning. It’s a huge deal!

[ZDU]

40. Cult. Cult. Cult.

Cults gonna cult...
Getting through this is not going to be easy. Getting through this is not a certainty. I wish I had an answer and a solution to this madness. I am in a self-survival mode. I feel deeply uncertain about my future and very destabilized

[SidneyR]

43. It would only matter if he was a Democrat.

Simple as that.

[pansypoo53219]

45. media is still protecting their golden squirrel. just like w. + ronald az raygun.

[RainCaster]

48. Clear evidence of pedophilia and the GOP yawns

Those asshats would all line up their granddaughters for TSF to molest. They are shameless.

[RockRaven]

51. And calling their activities a "WONDERFUL secret"

MAGAts and Repugs and Cons, whatever label they use, are fucking scum to support or even "merely" tolerate this sick bastard.

[NJCher]

55. What's your evidence that there a massive yawn?

It appears to me this is a subjective judgment on your part and people are commenting on it like it's a given. I'd like to know on what you are basing your assumption that there is a "massive yawn."

After you answer that question, I'd like to know what you would like to see. What would the appropriate amount of outrage/disgust/disapproval, etc., look like to you?

Everywhere I look, I am seeing the story covered. So far tonight I have watched ABC News, which covered it. Later I tuned into Rachel, who covered it. I am watching Lawrence right now and he is covering it and showing the drawing.

The drawing and the story is front and center on the NY Times digital page but is on p. 9 of the print edition.

The digital edition has 11.3 million subscribers and the print edition has 580,000.

The story is front and center of the online edition of the Washington Post, too. The drawing is on the front page, under the masthead.

Again, what do you want to see?

[Miles Archer]

59. It's probably one of those "I'd know it when I see it" things.

That and the fact that I live in a very small, very red town in the South. I don't rub elbows with the locals much because I was born a Yankee and will probably die one. I do get along well enough when i have to interact with people here because I put the effort into being polite and courteous but a good ol' boy is something I've never been and never wanted to be.

So, to answer your question(s), "I don't know." I'm just not feeling it because it seems like we are way past the point of "how much is too much" where Trump is concerned.

[NJCher]

65. thanks for answering my question

sorry you have to live in a red town.

[Joinfortmill]

56. Why, indeed. We have a sexual predator in the goddamn White House

[MerryBlooms]

58. Because a lot of men are looking at boobies all over the internet

They don't care! They voted for him. Hell, they're even looking at AI booby now, they don't care if it's drawings, AI, real... it's boobage! 🙄🙄🙄

[Initech]

60. Too many people brainwashed by Fox and the MAGA dude bro sphere.

[soldierant]

62. Because those of us who most passionately want him gone

are terrified of JD Vance, Stephen Miller, Kash Patel, Russell Voght?

I actually do sign every petition to get rid of him but the truth is that I am even more scared of this regime without him.

[Ilsa]

64. Creepy women wore tshirts asking trump to grab their

pussies. They wore them to campaign events on Saturday and then to church on Sunday, judging by the way evangelicals have embraced the rapist.

[returnee]

67. Trump has tapped into America's addiction...

…to TV reality shows, and running his own. Everything is designed to distract from the fascist agenda from the fascists Republicans that are guiding the movement to fascism from the shadows.

[DeeDeeNY]

69. A bigger question-

WTF is wrong with America that this moron won the presidential election IN THE FIRST PLACE ???

[Emile]

70. Trump says he's going to bring back religion to America.

Hangs out with pedophiles, and never goes to church is bringing back religion. Really, people wtf.

[Omnipresent]

72. I guess they are so jaded now.

We could fill a book the size of an unabridged dictionary with all of the abhorrent things the felon has said and done, and none of it would raise the eyes of the general public.

[RVN VET71]

73. America cares and America is outraged

But the Big Balding Buffoon owns the seats of power in the Government -- including the SCOTUS -- and so American outrage has no way to vent its anger peacefully.

Moreover, any attempts to wrest control through violence would be suicidal. Trump's handlers are well prepared for it. They know whom they can count on to destroy the enemy in the streets. It would be the Battle of Vinegar Hill all over again, pikes against cannon.

So we don't condone the horrors that have been visited on the innocent by friends and colleagues of Trump -- and by the Fat Buffoon himself -- but are, quite literally, helpless against it.

The Courts will acquit; The Legislature will turn its head -- or actually cheer on the MAGA destruction. The States and Localities -- Cities! -- will have their power subsumed by the National Military.

The result is that, today, the choices for good citizens are to flee, to hide in silence, or to fight and be "disappeared".

[Bettie]

74. A pedophile sending a nudie doodle letter

to another pedophile.

Unfortunately, it's who he is and his cult both accepts and denies it.

He. Is. Their. God.

And they really don't care about pedophiles in their own party. They truly don't.

Look at how much they hate gay people, well, not the ones in their own party...

It is an entire party of hypocrites.

If we found out that anyone from our party had done....anything that the orange man has done, they'd be gone, because we have actual values, not a bunch of "for thee but not for me" boilerplate.

[melm00se]

75. Control

Trump is a master at manipulating messages, information and attention span.

There are a lot people in the country who do not, cannot or will not see it. If you try to force them to face the reality, you will quickly gain one or more labels:

- Woke
- Libtard
- TDS
- Deep State
- Traitor

and your credibility with them goes out the window.

It appears that we are stuck until they, themselves, come to the realization that they have been had.

The only good news is when they do, they will act as they will see that they have been betrayed.

[OC375]

77. "No One" Cares Anymore

Morale is low. I think COVID was the straw that broke the back for a lot of folks. The overall zeitgeist afterwards felt decidedly "Me, ME, MEEE!" and "YOLO" for a while. I think that's petering out into other things. I think there are alot more Nihilists at the moment than is readily apparent. Altruism beyond electronically sending money to the shelter, the party or the rescue is drying up. I hear a lot of "I'm tired of being angry.", and as with grieving, many people are moving on to other stages of grief. Also, when your focus is on keeping your job, apartment, car, the kids happy... there can often be little left over for the righteous indignation that leads to the follow up actions that actually get things done.

[OLDMDDEM]

79. People are getting to used to Trump's lies and felonies. This creates apathy. Too bad. This will bite the

Dems in the ass unless they start getting aggressive.

[DownriverDem]

80. Not mass yawns

unless you mean the MSM. Go to YouTube (free one) & search MeidasTouch. They never yawn when it comes to trump and the MAGAs.

[Queso Delicioso]

81. Outrage fatigue.

Which is, of course, one of the main benefits conferred by Trump's strategy of flooding the zone 24/7 with fresh outrages. Whatever it is, no matter how egregious, within a day or two it's yesterday's news.

[young_at_heart]

82. Why did the GOP think he'd be fine?

I believe, if they'd wanted to, they wouldn't have ever made him their candidate. They would have figured out some way to move him out of the picture. A lot of people blame McConnell but others ought to have seen the danger and cared about the consequences. They did nothing and now our country is suffering. Hard not to hate the GOP!

[OMGWTF]

83. Fux News just interrupted its broadcast to say that T💩p just declared "victory" over 'wokeness' which he called a weed.

Curiously, when MAGAt churchgoers were read Jesus' teachings (love, etc.) they call it woke bullshit. JFC! I fking hate it here.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

84. MaddowBlog-Why the White House's unpersuasive pitch on the 'birthday book' seems so familiar

Republicans had to choose: acknowledge the letter as legitimate or insist that a Trump-signed document wasn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

There’s an approach to reality that says a Trump-signed document isn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

It’s the same approach that says job numbers are fake. And polls are fake. And election results are fake. And science is fake. And evidence of crimes is fake. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-09-09T13:13:45.110Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-donald-trump-rcna230024

Eight weeks later, the story took a rather dramatic turn. My MSNBC colleague Erum Salam reported on the new batch of material from the Epstein estate released by Democrats on the U.S. House Oversight Committee — including the contents of the so-called “birthday book.” From the report:

A copy of the book submitted to Congress (which was not reviewed by MSNBC) included a typed message, inside the outline of a woman’s torso, that read, in part, ‘A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.’ At the bottom of the message is a signature that appears to be Donald Trump’s.

The image looks like the one the Journal described in July.


......White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed that it’s “very clear” that Trump didn’t draw the figure or sign the letter. Other White House officials pushed the same line, and true to form, several congressional Republicans soon followed, echoing the new party line.

At face value, the pushback was — and is — difficult to take seriously. The signature on the letter resembles other documents from that era that Trump signed.

ThAt’a nOt TrUmP’s SiGnAtUrE www.wsj.com/us-news/law/...

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-08T21:38:29.142Z

For that matter, it’s difficult to imagine how the document in question could’ve been fabricated in the first place. As CNN’s Aaron Blake summarized, “The key fact here is that this comes from Epstein’s estate. In other words, for this letter to have been fake, someone would have had to plant it in Epstein’s possessions a long time ago, somehow.”.......

There’s a quote that’s often attributed to political theorist Hannah Arendt: “This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.” As it happens, Arendt didn’t actually say this (at least not exactly), but the quote resonates because of its salience:

Trump obviously tries to get people to believe lies all the time, but nearly as often, the president and his allies try to get people to give up on the idea that facts exist. With too many Americans, these tactics are effective, which helps explain why they’ve become so common.

[bdamomma]

86. tRump

is trying to bury evidence on Epstein, he will go down. It's a scandal that many have profited from.