What Epstein's Sex With Little Girls Was Really About

[gab13by13]

Just my opinion, no links, sorry DU police. There is evidence that at least 2 foreign countries were involved. I will let you figure out which two.

Epstein, was being funded, partly, by foreign people, Jasmine Crockett talked last night about the huge implications of foreign governments and Epstein.

Foreign governments were getting kompromat on powerful people to blackmail them. Rachel Maddow said last night that in Maxwell's deposition she stated that people (plural) are in Krasnov's cabinet who were involved with Epstein, she was not asked a follow up question about it.

How many more powerful people would kill to keep the Epstein files under lock and key?

Good luck getting them all released.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Little Girls are the ultimate bait for trapping vulnerable men.

[Johnny2X2X]

8. No they aren't

The vast majority of men, even rich and powerful ones, are appalled by the thought of sex with minors, even teenagers.

This bait was useless for all but the most disturbed of Epstein's friends. People like Trump for whom sex is about debasing and humiliating a partner. And let's not forget the kind of sex Trump is accused of here, it wasn't fooling around, it was the brutal rapes of young girls, one of who was 12 or 13 and was tied to a bed so she couldn't get away while Trump brutally assaulted her. She was left bleeding and full of bruises after Trump raped her and then threatened to kill her family if she told anyone.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Reiteration: vulnerable men. Not all of them.

[niyad]

14. I am guessing that you did not mean it that way, but repeating

"vulnerable" men almost sounds like an excuse. They were too weak to resist? They couldn't help thmselves? Help me out here, please.

[no_hypocrisy]

17. "Vulnerable" means men who are in high positions who can't risk scandal,

yet believe themselves to be Masters of the Universe and can get away with anything.

[tinrobot]

15. It was about recruiting the ones who were vulnerable

Sure, not every powerful man would take the bait.

But the ones who did partake would be yours to control for life. Keep them in power and you have a lot of influence.

[erronis]

37. I would bet that the CIA/KGB/FSB/MI6 have dossiers of "good" men who were turned.

Most normal people have an aversion to what is not sanctioned in their society. Call it morals or ethics or whatever.

But put "good" people in places where slowly their societal aversions are eroded and I'm sure you'll even find some Popes, Presidents, Priests, and Proselytizers failing bigly - unless they succeeded in hiding the history - as is being done now.

Get that little brain involved and big-brain cerebral function follows like a lap-dog. In the trump model of this, the shrunken shroom has more impact than the addled pate kept alive by a squirrel.

[RVN VET71]

53. Who you gonna believe? A publicity seeking 12 year old (I know she wasn't) or the President of these

Newnited States? (With no apologies to the dead hypocrite, Jimmy Swaggert who always called us that, "Newnited States" because it pleased his idiot tribe of morons" on accounta it means he's like one a us".)

As more stuff -- tantalizingly evidence "stuff" -- comes out, it becomes much, much easier to trust the words of his little victim than anything, ANYTHING!, this fat and childish madman says.

Just remember this: Epsteins clients were so rich and so powerful that no one blinked an eye when they touted the boners they got fantasizing and raping little girls. Trump was just one of many.

Release the goddamned files or be known as a lowlife predatory scumbag. And yes, I'm talking to you Blondie!

[LiberalArkie]

23. Not just little girls, but little boys also. I believe they are more afraid of the boys than the girls.

[Traildogbob]

28. Graham, Graham, uh, Lindsay,

[LiberalArkie]

34. And many others more than likely.

There has been stories for a few decades of an island that catered to those who liked their boys young. Sometimes modified, as they were the most exotic. After all if the boy is not really a boy any more then it is not homosexual sex.

[radical noodle]

44. Seems like there was one in Michigan

An island owned by a wealthy pedophile. I think there was a documentary about it. Just looked it up, it was North Fox Island in Oakland County, Michigan. They were doing porno stuff there in addition to raping the kids. Some kids were stolen and then murdered. This was in the 70s.

[Scrivener7]

2. The financial files the Treasury is sitting on, the ones that Senator Wyden is trying to

get released and that he is being blocked from releasing, will have ALL the details on that web.

Wyden says he has seen financial records that include A SINGLE Epstein account through which a billion dollars passed. That's one account out of many. Those accounts, the recipients and payers of those billions of dollars will tell this whole story.

The Treasury files are just as important as the DOJ files, if not more because they no doubt detail factual, provable crimes.

[gab13by13]

3. This tale is well known,

There was a multimillion dollar mansion for sale in Florida. Epstein was getting ready to buy it. Epstein made the mistake of asking Krasnov's advice about the price of it. Krasnov jumped the shark on Epstein and bought mansion from under his nose.

Krasnov then sold the mansion to a Russian oligarch for double the price. The Russian oligarch just bulldozed it over.

I was never aware that the mansion was supposed to be bought by Epstein.

This was the reason that Krasnov and Epstein broke up, it was over money, not over sex trafficking. Krasnov was perfectly OK with Epstein's sex trafficking.

[Scrivener7]

5. Certainly I think that is an example of Cankles laundering money for the Russians.

I wonder if this story is truly why they fell out, or if Epstein, after their breakup, spread it because he wanted to tell the world that Cankles was in bed with the Russians.

There's another story out there about why they fell out: there was a 13 year old girl that both wanted and Epstein was angry when the Cankles violated her first. (Read at your own risk. It's nauseating: https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-accused-of-savage-sexual-attack-on-a-13yearold-girl/news-story/6585a49357159ff2fdc3ff3933370500)

To me, that seems more in character than the official story of the real estate deal that Epstein floated.

[LastDemocratInSC]

25. This sounds like movie mogul Jack Woltz

in The Godfather saying that "Johnnie Fontaine will never have a part in that movie" because he "spoiled" an aspiring actress that was an object of Woltz's desires.

[misanthrope]

48. This sounds like the Katie Johnson story

The story has its doubters here on DU. I've seen them chime in over the last few weeks.

[writerJT]

18. Absolutely. As always: "Follow the money."

[BoRaGard]

4. repubes in the Cabinet are also in the Epstein book?

not surprised. this is who the repubes have become...

[gab13by13]

6. Rachel Maddow said it came out in the Maxwell interview.

Straight from the horses mouth, Maxwell said there were "members" of Krasnov's cabinet who were involved with Epstein.

Just pure speculation, but what if Accosta, the person who gave Epstein the sweetheart deal in Florida and then later was briefly in Krasnov's cabinet, was one of the people? I can't think of another good reason for Accosta to make such a deal.

[Trueblue Texan]

10. I think money would be an incentive to Acosta.

But who knows, there could be other incentives, as well.

[OldBaldy1701E]

7. "How many more powerful people would kill to keep the Epstein files under lock and key?"

Enough.

Too many.

The programming worked until now. There are cracks forming.

So, more than likely, they are willing to throw Krasnov (maybe a few others of the 'lower rich' as well) under the bus, which is one main reason that he wanted the protection of the office.

And, he plans to keep it. We need to take that seriously.

[twodogsbarking]

11. It isn't sex when it is with little girls, it is rape, a violent crime.

[leftstreet]

20. +1

[obamanut2012]

12. A corrction: you can't have sex with little girls

It's rape. Always.

[IronLionZion]

13. I'm guessing Israel and UK are the governments

since Maxwell and Prince Andrew, and there have been reports of Mossad involvement.

It is very suspicious that Cabinet members and GOP congresspeople are trying to keep the files hidden. Every now and then a DUer will parrot the MAGA line of "there is no list". There are files that have names, records, and other identifying info. It's not like a grocery list.

[WA-03 Democrat]

19. Russia

[gab13by13]

31. Yes, many of the girls were brought in from Russia,

visas taken care of.

[niyad]

16. Not "sex with", but "rape of".

[Wiz Imp]

21. To clarify, the statement about cabinet members being involved with Epstein, was not in a typical legal deposition

but rather during Todd Blanche's recent interview with Maxwell. She said it as if to prove that Epstein wasn't doing the things he was accused of because surely Trump's cabinet members would never associate with such a creep. In reality, it seems to have been a warning shot saying, "hey, I know stuff that could take Trump down if you don't play ball with me"

The audio is here:

[misanthrope]

50. Blanche's silence after Maxwell's statement says a lot

It was a pause so pregnant that its water broke all over the table. He sort of pivoted with no follow-up down that newly opened line of thought.

[dlk]

22. Russians have the best kompromat

They are masters of it.

[phylny]

24. It's rape, not sex.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Seems beyond obvious.

Epstein was connected to Israel and Russia.
Huge funding from Russia.
Rape victims were from Eastern Europe.
Putin has ties to sex and drug trafficking.
Trump has ties to Russia and Putin.

Putin benefits greatly from the blackmail potential.

This is not rocket science.
Anyone can connect the dots and put the puzzle pieces together.

[Maru Kitteh]

27. There is no sex WITH little girls. There is only RAPE of them.

Having sex WITH someone requres their consent, which children cannot give. Adults can only rape and exploit children sexually, they cannot have “sex with” them.

[Traildogbob]

29. Men like trump

Cursed with the needle Dick issue, (According to eye witnesses) demand they are to be feared and bowed to. But in the presence on grown women, when the drawers drop, are laughed at. So they prey on little girls that make them fill like big dick studs, and require them to be afraid of their massive manhood.
He, and all like him, are pure evil, and we need not be surprised at how little they give a damn about slaughtered young children. I am not religious, but mutherfuckers like trump make me believe in a Satan. And he is kicking the ass of the other side, where “good” (Gawd) is suppose to be protecting his “believers”.

[misanthrope]

49. In this nation, it isn't God's believers who need His protection

It is the truly meek, the gentle and kind.

[Deep State Witch]

30. Probably More than Two Foreign Leaders

We know that Ehud Barak of Israel and Prince Andrew were involved - although I'm not sure that Andrew counts as a foreign leader. I'm betting that there are more than two current and former world leaders involved in Epstein's honey trap. My bets are on: Mohamad Bin Salman; Mohamad Bin Zayed of the UAE; Bibi Netanyahu; Tony Blair; that guy from the Philippines, Duterte, that's currently under indictment for extrajudicial killings; Putin, Medvedev, and probably a whole bunch of other Russian oligarchs; and probably a few other notables. Remember, a lot of this was going on in the 90's and 2000's. So, think who was in power back then. I'm also thinking that at least 2 current Supremes - Thomas and Kavanaugh - are on the list. Plus probably Scalia as well. I wouldn't put it past a couple more of them as well.

[gab13by13]

32. The two countries that look to be involved,

are Russia and Israel. Deutsche Bank was involved.

The main point of my thread is that foreign countries may have copies of the Epstein file, or direct evidence of the rapes that went on.

Krasnov is compromised, he is a puppet for Putin and Bibi.

[Joinfortmill]

33. Yup, this story is HUGE!

[yardwork]

35. Russia, Saudis Arabia, and Afghanistan have all been involved in trafficking children.

[Jilly_in_VA]

36. Saudis and Afghans probably

traffic little boys for the enjoyment of people like Lindsay Graham. Just saying.

[aggiesal]

38. Maddow showed video & quoted Maxwell ''... that some people in the cabinet ...'' Yes, SOME means plural. n/t

[Johonny]

46. Howard Lutnik seems like an obvious choice

He was in the same financial world in New York with Epstein. It would be amazing if they didn't cross paths.

[Dave Bowman]

39. K&R, interesting stuff.

[Beartracks]

40. "How many more powerful people would kill to keep the Epstein files under lock and key?"

Right? Even being Jeffrey Epstein didn't save Jeffrey Epstein.

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[swong19104]

41. Lemme guess

Russia and Israel.

[Alpeduez21]

42. For this to used as blackmail or whatever

The targets must have shame or integrity or consider social norms something to strive for. Repukes are selfish assholes who don’t give a shit. Repuke voters will continue to vote for anything that pushes the racism and misogyny. Fuck em all

[superpatriotman]

43. Pam Bondi - FL AG 2011-2019

Eom

[FadedMullet]

51. Was Bondi the Attorney General who prosecuted Epstein in Florida?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

45. "Sex With Little Girls"

It's RAPE, as multiple posters have pointed out.

But not corrected.

[Aussie105]

47. Reading this thread makes me sick in the stomach.

Hoping it will blow up in Trump's face and take a lot of involved people with him.
D or R, I don't care.

This is not about politics, it is about human decency and morality.

[NBachers]

52. I'd like to see a full-on cadaver dog and team investigation of Epstein's Island.