It's not a drawing of a nude woman.

[littlemissmartypants]

Because now we see that the fake drawings were so far off base... now we see his reality.

That what he drew, is a picture of a prepubescent female body.

It's as revealing as it is disgusting. He thought the whole thing was a joke among friends, all of his rich narcissistic psychopath friends.

It has never been a picture of a woman or a story about just women. These crimes are about children, too.

[FalloutShelter]

1. Not prepubescent female body.

prepubescent female TORSO.

That makes the drawing exponentially worse.
No head, no limbs... no life .

Did they ever dig up Epstein island? How many bodies are buried there?

Does any one else wonder why TSF has an obsession with Hannibal Lecter?
If he had not been born rich, he would be dead or in jail and the authorities would be digging up his basement looking for bodies.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Ultimate objectification of a person as thing to be used: no identity (head) no arms (resistance).

The drawing reveals Pedo-in-Chief's attitudes more than anything else.

[Texin]

17. The X-Files had an episode called "Home" that was about as chilling as that sick drawing.

I think anyone who ever saw it will remember it well.

[rhiannon55]

37. I remember that episode!

It was the creepiest episode ever! That family!

[cloudbase]

51. I can't listen to Johnny Mathis without thinking of that episode.

[Farmer-Rick]

50. No legs to run away.

Yeah, when I saw that drawing, I thought that's not a drawing of a woman's body. It's a child's body. It's a drawing of something to be used.

[littlemissmartypants]

5. No face. No eyes to look back at him.

Objectification. Which in any form should be at the very least objectionable.

In his case, deeply disturbing. In his case all people are reduced to his playthings.

We're all just objects in his imagination. He's completely void of empathetic human emotions.

He plays Army with the Armed Forces and the National Guard, like they're plastic toys. It's not hard to imagine what he does/has done with those he has had direct face-to-face power over and who are less equipped to resist.

It's all part of his psychopathic sickness.

We should all be terrified.

[allegorical oracle]

7. Thank you for that observation. When I first saw this drawing, it

looked "off" to me and I couldn't quantify it. Given his apparent desire to have women in his life to be seen as "well endowed," why was his drawing so unprovocative? Young girls is a fitting explanation.

[Bluetus]

16. This was exactly my reaction too.

From the earlier descriptions, I expected it to be more vivid -- a complete thing, hair, eyes, a smile, etc

This just gets creepier the more one looks at it.

And now that this objectification has been brought to my awareness, I have seen many such drawings in public bathroom stalls over the years. Some had complete bodies represented, but many had only the "parts of interest," so to speak. However, thinking back, all of these bathroom drawings depicted large breasts, of an idealized mature woman.

I doubt that most of these bathroom "artists" were serial killers and rapists in real life. I hope that they were just expressing their fantasies. In Trump's case, we know for certain that he was (and presumably still is) a sexual predator and convicted rapist, which makes this particular drawing so chilling. These were two guys deeply involved in sex trafficking, especially focusing on very young girls for the pleasure of very important people all over the world.

Trump has no filters. Everything he says and does is a confession.

[Mtnmama]

8. So true, but still republicans deny trump

drew this. "He's not an artist", and signature either fake or autopen. For pete's sake, that is not an "artistic " drawing. And the signature is exactly like other of trumps signatures, same time period. I guess those reasons are enough, though, for almost all republicans. Hard to believe these are the people controlling America.

[calimary]

19. "He's not an artist." Hell no!!!

It’s a “cartoon”. Of the only things he sees of “value” in anything female. It’s disgusting.

He’s one of those. The males who see women as mere body parts to be used and toyed with.

[Blue Full Moon]

10. Rumor is they killed the boys they used.

[BadgerMom]

15. The lack of arms, legs and head was the first thing I noticed,

before I saw the breasts and well before the significance of the placement of the signature registered. It screams his objectification of women. Selfish. Greedy. Inhumane.

[Hekate]

18. Now that you brought up that chilling thought, who does own & have jurisdiction over that property?

The sheer scope of the cover-up just broadened in my mind.

[mercuryblues]

23. I have said from the start

that some victims never made it off the island. Or boarded a plane and went missing before landing.

[yellow dahlia]

34. True!

[RVN VET71]

47. And as if that was not sufficiently perverted for Trump and his kind, there's that $22,000

He was paid for a "depreciated" prepubescent girl. Jesus Christ! Trafficking much?

As for buried bodies on Epstein's island -- - I hadn't thought of it, but I hope that the exhumations begin as soon as the shackles of fascism are thrown off our Government.

[malaise]

2. THIS

Rec

[OLDMDDEM]

4. Excellent point.

[bluestarone]

6. Right on the mark!!

So true here.

[Silver Gaia]

9. I thought the same when I first saw it,

and found it disturbing in the same way. Thank you for articulating tbis so well.

[dixiegrrrrl]

11. Might possibly be the "secret" he referred to with Epstein. n/t

[Wednesdays]

12. K&R.

[Sea A Chell]

13. Yes I agree

The breasts are much higher than a mature woman would carry them. And most disturbing to me...no arms. No open space where you'd expect arms..

[speak easy]

14. Narrow shoulders - tick

Small breasts - tick
Wide hips - cross
Public hair - cross

Not a "prepubescent female body"

[misanthrope]

22. Correct

Those things would mean the figure is pubescent. Which doesn't excuse it because that would still put the figure in early adolescence, way too young for a 19-year-old, much less a 50-year-old.

[niyad]

40. "public" hair?

[TommyT139]

42. My autocorrect does that

...as of to imply, "Why would someone be typing 'pubic' this often??"

[niyad]

43. Will keep that in mind. One is reminded, in the opposite direction,

of a tasteless nickname for a supermarket chain in florida.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

20. MaddowBlog-Why the White House's unpersuasive pitch on the 'birthday book' seems so familiar

Republicans had to choose: acknowledge the letter as legitimate or insist that a Trump-signed document wasn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

There’s an approach to reality that says a Trump-signed document isn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

It’s the same approach that says job numbers are fake. And polls are fake. And election results are fake. And science is fake. And evidence of crimes is fake. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-09-09T13:13:45.110Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-donald-trump-rcna230024

Eight weeks later, the story took a rather dramatic turn. My MSNBC colleague Erum Salam reported on the new batch of material from the Epstein estate released by Democrats on the U.S. House Oversight Committee — including the contents of the so-called “birthday book.” From the report:

A copy of the book submitted to Congress (which was not reviewed by MSNBC) included a typed message, inside the outline of a woman’s torso, that read, in part, ‘A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.’ At the bottom of the message is a signature that appears to be Donald Trump’s.

The image looks like the one the Journal described in July.


......White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed that it’s “very clear” that Trump didn’t draw the figure or sign the letter. Other White House officials pushed the same line, and true to form, several congressional Republicans soon followed, echoing the new party line.

At face value, the pushback was — and is — difficult to take seriously. The signature on the letter resembles other documents from that era that Trump signed.

ThAt’a nOt TrUmP’s SiGnAtUrE www.wsj.com/us-news/law/...

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-08T21:38:29.142Z

For that matter, it’s difficult to imagine how the document in question could’ve been fabricated in the first place. As CNN’s Aaron Blake summarized, “The key fact here is that this comes from Epstein’s estate. In other words, for this letter to have been fake, someone would have had to plant it in Epstein’s possessions a long time ago, somehow.”.......

There’s a quote that’s often attributed to political theorist Hannah Arendt: “This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.” As it happens, Arendt didn’t actually say this (at least not exactly), but the quote resonates because of its salience:

Trump obviously tries to get people to believe lies all the time, but nearly as often, the president and his allies try to get people to give up on the idea that facts exist. With too many Americans, these tactics are effective, which helps explain why they’ve become so common.

[littlemissmartypants]

21. This is why ...

Every time I get the opportunity, I point out how important it is to make a distinction between mis- and dis-information.

It's easy to create misinformation. We do it all the time. Inadvertently. When we're mistaken about facts. Innocently. When we get bad, misleading information. Maliciously. When we lie.

But disinformation, the insidious deliberate sharing of misinformation when you know it to be false or bad information, is propaganda designed to decieve, mislead and confuse.

This creates the atmosphere that nothing and no one can be trusted.

It is destabilizing in many ways. Deliberately.

Worst of all, it creates separation between individuals and groups of people, isolates us and causes fractures in the very fabric of society.

Thanks for sharing this. ❤️

[allegorical oracle]

25. Makes sense. Like the "fog of war," djt lives in a "fog of life."

[Pachamama]

24. Boxing Helena

That’s what I thought of too when I saw this drawing….

[LAS14]

26. What he drew was an abstraction that looks like a seamstress's dummy.

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I'm pissed at the left for sensationalizing the drawing. And stretching to get the location of the signature sensationalistic. I like to think we're better than that, but we're often not.

And no, it's much too hefty to be an outline of a young person.

[littlemissmartypants]

29. Hefty? What exactly does that mean?

[LAS14]

31. wide waist and hips

[ecstatic]

53. Girls can go through puberty pretty early

I started around 9 or 10 but others start around 12 or 13. I'm confused about why you're focused on the shape of the drawing and not the substance.

Remember, we're talking about the sitting president of the United States here. He already has several accusations of sexual assault.

Do we have standards anymore or don't we?

[LAS14]

55. I was talking about the drawing. nt

[Mossfern]

33. My question as well

I went back to look at it and I see no indication of what I would consider as "hefty."
I was a figure painter and I know that figure is no way hefty - I taught life drawing as well so I've seen a good number of adult body types.

The only thing I can say that may be considered is that Trump never had a sense of proportion.

[niyad]

57. Keep trying.

[EarthAbides]

28. A sketch of a teenager

The fascist pig knows it is a sketch of a teenager. Jeffrey knew it was a sketch of a teenager. His signature is him grabbing the teenager by her p****. The fascist pig did not want this drawing released because it depicted a teenager. The fascist pig knows that it being a teenager makes him look very very guilty.

[Jilly_in_VA]

30. When you think about how

he talked about Ivanka when she was younger, let alone how he acted around her and the pictures of them....I mean, the whole business gives me THE ICK!!!

[BidenRocks]

32. I posted this last night.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220620539

Note the first response I received!

I guess you told it better.

[yellow dahlia]

35. You have it right!

And enigma is a an anagram for "gamine". I do not think that is an accident.

From Wikipedia:
"The gamine is a popular archetype of a slim, often boyish, elegant young woman who is described as mischievous or teasing, popularized in film and fashion from the turn of the 20th century through to the 1950s. The word gamine is a French word, the feminine form of gamin, originally meaning urchin, waif or playful, naughty child."

[niyad]

41. Somebody menttioned that before, when we first heard about this.

Absolutely chilling. I have to wonder where he learned it.

[yellow dahlia]

54. From Ghislaine, perhaps?

[niyad]

56. Perhaps. He certainly did not come up with it on his own. Coded language?

[yellow dahlia]

58. Right.

But he is such a loser than when he learns a "sophisticated" word or concept, he has to try and throw it around...so he can think he's cool.

[niyad]

60. Like when he learned "groceries" recently.

[yellow dahlia]

61. Exactly!

Underneath all the aggression and attacks and violence and destruction and bravado is a loser.

[niyad]

62. A very frightened one.

[Karasu]

36. Very clearly not. "Enigmas never age."

[swong19104]

38. It's just a sketch of a generic female form

I’m not going to give that hack any credit regarding his artistic skills to discern the subtle differences between a 13-year old girl’s body versus an adult woman’s body.

Don’t read anything more into that sketch, other than that both he and Epstein like gazing at the female figure.

[littlemissmartypants]

46. Sorry, wrong thread.

[niyad]

59. Sorry, there is plenty to be read into that drawing. Why the dismissive tone?

[swong19104]

64. Because the dude

ain’t got a bit of artistic bone in his body. And people are trying to read into it his ability to sketch out a young girl’s form that differentiates from a generic female form? That’s reading tea-leaves level of introducing one’s own preconceived notions into schlock “art”.

I mean, Picasso can whip out a quick sketch of an outline of a female form and we can all rightly argue whether that female form is of an 18-year old or a 28-year old. That’s because it’s by Picasso and he would be able to make distinguishing differences for the two ages.

To claim that Trump meant to sketch out a young girl gives that clod far too much credit for his drawing skills.

Let’s just say his drawing skills are about as artistic as his dancing skills.

[niyad]

65. You see what you see. Others see different things, being all-too- familiar

with his sick twisted brain.

[swong19104]

66. And all I'm saying is

don’t ascribe to malice when mere incompetence suffices.

[Grins]

39. Jeff Tiedrich said the same thing - it's a early teen GIRL!

And good catch.

[Aussie105]

44. Trump has just given every male MAGA voter who worries about his young daughter

a good reason to not vote for him in future.

For the rest of us, t's another reason to want to see him out of the Oval Office.

[niyad]

63. Pretty sure those daughters need to be worrying about the fathers.

[orangecrush]

48. Precisely

[DownriverDem]

49. We need to see

the flight logs/records to Epstein's Island.

[lapfog_1]

52. President Pubic Hair

PPH for short.

My new nickname for Hair Hitler