The person who shot Charlie Kirk was clearly not an amateur

[Quiet Em]

That was a very precise shot from a long distance.

[ZDU]

1. Grassy Knolls

... and book repositories and will you LOOK at the travel path of the projectile!?!?! It's almost unbelievable, isn't it?

[malaise]

2. Just heard that Kirk is dead

That is all

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. I read reports Kirk is stable but critical. . . . nt

[malaise]

10. Agenda Free radio just announced

That he was dead - they were quoting someone linked to the military

[Maru Kitteh]

17. agenda free now stating that someone else is reporting him dead

But AF doesn’t yet know.

[Maru Kitteh]

20. Trump now posting Kirk is dead.

Per AF.

[bdamomma]

12. Independent

media will have the details.

[malaise]

15. And they have not got the shooter

Link to tweet

[AllyCat]

27. He did not deserve this.

He is not a good person, but no one deserves this.

[IbogaProject]

29. He did say some gun deaths are an acceptable tradeoff

So better him than a school kid or teacher.

[AllyCat]

42. He did. I really feel badly for his children.

[FoxNewsSucks]

108. I feel badly for the fact THAT they were his children.

[regnaD kciN]

58. He also called for the public execution of Trump's "political enemies"...

[SunSeeker]

62. Yep, Kirk legitimized political violence.

As the saying goes, "live by the gun, die by the gun."

[prodigitalson]

109. If he had actually murdered someone too your post

would at least have a barbaric internal logic

[SunSeeker]

110. What Kirk did, and what Trump is still doing, is stochastic terrorism.

The whole point of stochastic terrorism is to get someone to do the murdering for you so you don't have to get your hands dirty (i.e. face liability for the murder).

All you have to do is tell your cult followers that liberals are responsible for murder and you leave it up to the cultists to do your dirty work, like Trump does here:
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100220627245

[prodigitalson]

92. Which is constitutionally protected speech...

now if he had personally actually killed his political enemies, we'll I'd still want his arrested and tried.

[Orrex]

104. Constitutionally protected stochastic terrorism

I'll shed no tears over a POS dying for the gun zealotry for which he advocated so tirelessly.

[prodigitalson]

112. So don't. Has someone requested that you do so?

And if not, doesn't unsolicitedly announcing that you won't be doing so seem a bit gratuitous.

[Orrex]

113. Golly.

You sure told me.

[prodigitalson]

114. anytime

[RPM]

95. Why not both?

I'm more bothered by the concurrent school shooting.

sigh

[UpInArms]

102. I do not celebrate his death

Anymore than I celebrated his life …

All people bring joy,

Some when they enter

And some

When they leave

[meadowlander]

99. No, but those who live by the sword die by the sword.

It's not a question of what he deserves or not. But also how you choose to live your life and the things that you choose to put out into the universe can come back on you. I think there's a lot of Republicans running around now thinking that there will never be any consequences for the things they say and do and, without sanctioning shooting political rivals, I'm comfortable with saying that this was a not unforeseeable consequence of having a high public profile and whipping up maniacs into a frenzy.

[ancianita]

46. Me, too.

[Katnip.]

71. He died?

Okay.

[Bread and Circuses]

3. Could he have hired the shooter to gain attention?

[Rebl2]

7. Was my

first thought, but doubt it.

[tritsofme]

8. Good grief

[sarisataka]

11. If so, this one lacked the skill

to just graze him.

It shows why the other conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

[popsdenver]

85. As I understand it

Trained Snipers rarely, if ever, go for a head shot.........

Trump/Republicans will use this non-stop, to deflect the media from the constant barrage of Epstein stuff........

[Orrex]

28. Only if he paid the shooter in advance

[littlemissmartypants]

80. Never underestimate the power of a wife.

[Orrex]

105. Fair point!

[Rocknation]

101. Or to blame it on the alt left in hopes that a member of the alt left retailiates

which would allow him to sic his Gestapo on anyone who has publicly opposed him


Rocknation

[Fla_Democrat]

111. Because no one knew who he was?

[prodigitalson]

115. Suspects do look familiar

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=?q%3Dw_256,c_fill&imgrefurl=https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/01/us/jussie-smollett-case-brothers-statement&h=289&w=256&tbnid=ZftIjwDXTNRgdM&source=sa.im&tbnh=289&tbnw=256&usg=AI4_-kRg9DsReSyVHRZpRIuLU-Ix4UpTyA&vet=1&docid=ifF8EQOBFxXgdM

[haele]

4. Whom in the Organization did Kirk or his fellow travellers piss off?

Was he starting to stray from the talking points too much? Did he weasel his smarmy punk way into learning about a "future event" he couldn't be trusted to keep quiet about before it happened?

[BeyondGeography]

9. He did go mushy on Epstein

fwiw. That has been known to anger people.

?si=7kI6Iub0OWH0vybb

[markodochartaigh]

35. The maga right, and the reich-wing in general

have made it their policy for decades to stir up their vicious base. When you have so many loose cannons on your own ship it is hardly surprising when one of them blows a hole in your own ship.

[Shipwack]

86. The white nationalists weren't happy with him.

Kirk had banned the most extreme groups from his rallies and conventions.



Everything is speculation, though. It could have been his haircut for all we know…

[Strelnikov_]

100. Became expendable

enough to use as a diversion.

With Epstein looming, could not wait around for a Grynszpa.

[Justice Brandeis]

6. Well, since Trump drummed all the trans people out of the military

it seems unlikely that the shooter is trans, and I sure hope he/she/they isn't.

[quakerboy]

44. wanna bet?

My instinct is regardless of who actually shot him, there will ve a full court press to hang a trans person. Or immigrant. I guess they could go with a gay person, but I think they want to go after trans folk first.

[PJMcK]

76. They will make sure the accused...

…. is a Democrat.

[mainer]

13. That old guy suspect doesn't fit the image

Did they get the right guy?

[obamanut2012]

18. No

[malaise]

19. No

They did not

[sarisataka]

14. Or just lucky to hit a vital area if they were aiming center of mass

200 yards is not terribly difficult for an experienced person, so not an amateur probably.
For a skilled person the neck is a very good target, you are nearly guaranteed to cause a critical, if not fatal injury. Having seen the more graphic video, he had just sat back and was holding his body straight. The perfect time/posture for someone trying to kill him.

[SSJVegeta]

33. With a well zeroed and clean weapon, an AR15 could maybe get it done

Military is usually somewhat comfortable with 300 yard targets

[Katcat]

75. Once upon a time

I saw an elderly man in his 60s or early 70s shoot through the hole in a beer can and come out the bottom from a good distance away. The elderly man was my dad and he bragged her could do it and he did. Oh and he used a 22 rifle.

[SSJVegeta]

79. Mad skillz

[markodochartaigh]

41. If they are saying specifically 200 yards

it seems like they at least have some more information on the shooter. Hopefully they catch them quick. And hopefully Kirk doesn't become a martyr.

[Bev54]

60. Doesn't matter they will make him a martyr regardless.

[markodochartaigh]

70. True. As opposed to when Democratic politicians

are shot like in Minnesota and then it is just allowed to blow over.

[Bev54]

74. Exactly, how long do you think we will be hearing about this compared to the 2 dems killed?

Total gaslighting sanctimonious bullshit.

[AverageOldGuy]

52. 200 yards is a piece of cake for anyone with even minimal training and a decent weapon.

My arsenal includes:

-- .243 cal Remington 700 with a no-name scope, zeroed at 150 yards. I use it to shoot graoundhogs, mainly; most of them between 75 and 250 yards. In 15 years I have killed 6-8 a year and have never missed.

-- .308 Weatherby Mark V Deluxe with a Leupold Mark5 scope. Zeroed at 200 yards. At 300 yards the round drops 6-7 inches, at 400 yards between 19-21 inches. With about 20 minutes of coaching and firing, my 14-yr-old grandson was putting three-round groups into the bullseye at 300 yards.

-- My favorite is a Daisy Red Ryder Deluxe BB rifle. Never shot my eye out.

[Straw Man]

63. Yes, it is.

The military trains at 300 yards with iron sights. For a skilled shooter with a scoped rifle, 200 yards is a walk in the park.

[sarisataka]

72. USMC does iron sights out to 500 yds

And sometimes we went out farther. Yess, 200 is no big deal if you train for it

[NickB79]

65. I was kind of thinking the same

With a cheap $75 laser rangefinder to get the drop right, I could probably make a headshot with my CZ 457 .22LR bolt action rifle. I know I can hit Coke cans in the field behind my house out to 150 yd if the wind isn't bad.

A center-fire rifle and a 14-16x scope with a good rest is nothing at 200 yd.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

67. I was thinking that

sadly, marksmanship in Utah is more proficient than in Pennsylvania.

[hamsterjill]

91. I agree, but

Shooting an animal is an entirely different thing than shooting another human being with the intent to kill. Especially in a crowd.

Whoever this person is, they had confidence in their ability.

[prodigitalson]

88. Without a scope thats a good shot for a civilian.

[malaise]

16. And he is not in custody n/t

[maxsolomon]

21. An amateur almost took MFer out.

Missed his head by an inch from 140 yards.

Fuck Thomas Crooks. He assured MFer's victory.

[usonian]

36. What makes you think he was an amateur?

1. A wounded Trump won. A dead Trump wouldn't have.
2. He gone. Dead men tell no lies.

How? Why? Don't ask.

[Orrex]

43. Almost hit the blood capsule

[mountain grammy]

51. snort!

[littlemissmartypants]

82. If only he'd been holding it in his right hand over his heart.

[LeftInTX]

22. I think we can agree on that!

[hamsterjill]

23. Interesting to me the timing.

The day after Putin went after Poland.

Maybe this is a message to Trump that no one is safe???

Just thinking out loud as we obviously don’t have details of the motive, etc.

[quakerboy]

47. Days after trumps love note to esptein was released

[mainer]

24. Laura Loomer now calling for "leftist" organizations to be shut down

Maybe Charlie was a necessary sacrifice to kick off Trump's purge of his enemies.
And MAGA is all over X calling Democrats the party of violence.
Is this the beginning of a new reign of terror?

[orangecrush]

26. I'm skeered

Not really.

[Vinca]

32. Leftist organizations? Like the mothers against gun violence leftist organization?

[rubbersole]

34. Motive or not, this will stir the hate.

Reprisals are coming.

[hadEnuf]

68. Laura Loomer can go to hell.

Hate mongers like her need to be shut down. They are a large part of the cause of all of this mess we are in with Trumpedo.

[Nigrum Cattus]

87. they are always looking to declare an "emergency"

Lets see if one is declared to take away civil liberties

[orangecrush]

25. ...

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[calimary]

103. Thank you very much, Little Ms Heartless.

That certainly is the quote of the season.

[Scrivener7]

30. It sounds like earlier reports that the shooter is in custody were premature. Reports are saying he isn't.

[Raster]

31. Does this mean the National Guard and Marines will be invading Utah?

Or are they not black and brown enough?

[markodochartaigh]

45. Well, Saudi terrorists hijacked the planes

and the US attacked Afghanistan, which offered to turn Bin Laden over, and Iraq. Hardly surprising if a shooting in Utah provokes an invasion of Chicago.

[Arazi]

37. Agreed. I'm actually impressed 😈

[mnhtnbb]

38. Nicolle Wallace has an excellent discussion

going on her show today.

The female very experienced and well respected head of the Salt Lake City FBI office was summarily dismissed 3 weeks ago. Retired FBI agent discussion suggesting that the purging that has been going on of the leadership of the FBI will not help the search for the shooter.
Discussing this 200 yard shot is not difficult for a professional. There was also discussion of this murder in context of political attacks and shootings over the last year or so.

[usonian]

39. "Libs" responsible? Only in the crazy world. Unfortunately that's rather large.

More likely?

[Doodley]

40. I believe Trump would stop at nothing to take heat off the Epstein situation. Just saying.

[dalton99a]

50. And he has complete immunity for every order he issues

[Red Mountain]

48. 200 yards keeps being mentioned

Was the shooter seen? I realize the person was not caught.

[mnhtnbb]

55. 200 yards away suggests shooter

would have decent opportunity to easily leave the area. There was not much, if any, security at that distance from the tent where Kirk was speaking.

[radical noodle]

77. I heard there was really no security at all, other than his normal crew

but I think they have an idea now what building the shot came from. If so, that's where the distance came from.

[markodochartaigh]

69. From Reddit/Utah

it seems that there is a building 200 yards away that may have been used.

[scipan]

106. People noticed someone on a roof nearby, before the shooting.

[LT Barclay]

49. Finally a good guy with a gun?

But on a more serious note, since I don’t listen to him, was he pushing for release of the Epstein files? If so he won’t be the last.

[VMA131Marine]

53. I think you mean the person who shot him

clearly has a lot of experience. There are a lot of people in the country who could have pulled that off. The bigger question is whether or not the shooter acted on his own initiative. At some point the issue will be raised whether this was a false flag: kill one of your own to incite others on your side to violence.

[edbermac]

54. AP posted this graphic.

Kirk was at the red spot, shooter was on a roof 200 yards away from the Losee Center.

Kirk was speaking at a debate hosted by his nonprofit political organization. Immediately before the shooting, Kirk was taking questions for an audience member about mass shootings and gun violence.

“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience members asked. Kirk responded: “Too many.”

The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.

Then a single shot rang out.

How ironic.

https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-shot-546165a8151104e0938a5e085be1e8bd

[RPM]

97. there's something about all of those angles which upsets me

it's oddly unnerving architecture

[colorado_ufo]

57. Not necessarily a professional. Many hunters routinely sight in their rifles at 200 yards. especially with a scope.

My husband works at the gun department of a sporting goods store and is a hunter. Although he is well into his senior years, he practices at 200 yards at the local shooting range and has no trouble hitting the target center, and he is definitely an amateur. This person may or may not be a professional, but he/she was definitely an experienced shooter.

[Sneederbunk]

59. The shooter was a gun owner. So he apparently had some kind of sainthood.

[jmowreader]

61. Stop. Just stop.

Probably 85 percent of western hunters could have made that shot.

[Warpy]

64. Dunno, stae of the art kit, fancy laser scope

Modern gear makes maiming and killing too easy.

I'll be surprised if the weapon was any sort of a hunting gun, but I suppose that's possible, too.

[chowmama]

66. Was it a Swiftie?

Please, please, let it be a Swiftie.

But it was probably a RW nut job for reasons we will find out later. Even if most of them opt for the 'spray and sweep' guns that require little training and less skill. This was a sniper.

I shouldn't be celebrating. But anybody who delegates all females to second-class, subservient, "Dumb, docile and decorative" status isn't worth space, oxygen, or my personal time. The world is a better place this afternoon than it was this morning. I won't miss him.

[OverBurn]

90. Does Kirk have beef with TayTay? I wasn't aware.

[chowmama]

107. On the announcement of her engagement

He told her she was going to have to submit to her husband from now on; she wasn't in charge now.

[WestMichRad]

73. Well, the military trains quite a few snipers.

Statistics says they’re not all right wingers.

I do not condone this violent act in any way, even though Kirk was an extremist Nazi. Expect that some extremist zealot will try to “even the score” on some left-leaning politician.

[Kaleva]

78. A shot well within the capability of many hunters

[twodogsbarking]

81. I think we have established that Americans know how easy it is to get guns and learn to shoot others.

When the President preaches violence on a daily basis we shouldn't be surprised.

[BidenRocks]

83. 200 yards with an M-14?

Even without sighting in, 9/10 black.

The shooter was supposed to graze him.

[Submariner]

84. Thank you for NOT happening in a Blue state

[AmandaRuth]

94. weirdest thought i had, after all the vomit spew he has made towards women,

what if the shooter was a women? (look, i'm not proud of this thought, but i can't get rid of it)

[Deep State Witch]

96. My thoughts exactly

This isn't even like the Butler shooter, who was shooting from 50 yards away. This was a professional. My guess is that it was some kind of accelerationist who wanted to bring about the civil war.

[Crowman2009]

98. What a shame! I was hoping...

...that he would live long enough to see his movement turn to shit, get ruined financially, his trad wife divorce him, and his children disown him.