The gleefulness of some of us upon hearing of Kirk's shooting

[hueymahl]

Is frankly disgusting. Be better people. Disagree with his policies all you want, but don’t delight in violence.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. This violence helps nothing and makes a bunch of stuff worse. Emotional people can be very short-sighted. . . nt

[wolfie001]

121. It's basically the fuel of republicans

Hate and violence that is. A natural reaction is to "fight fire with fire." Not ecstatic for his demise but he really was an awful misogynistic racist POS. That's all I'll say about him.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

123. Well stated and a good point. . . . nt

[popsdenver]

125. It is being said

that one of his favorite lines, is: "liberal dissenters should all be executed in Public".........

I wonder if this shooter was a Republican like the two that supposedly went after Trump??????????????

[mr715]

2. Sometimes a catharsis is necessary

There is no glamor in taking a big shit, but it has to come out.

[SoFlaBro]

10. It was time for a gigantic MAGA shit. Piss on those fucking MAGA turds.

[QueerDuck]

89. Well stated! --- Thank you.

[mr715]

92. No, thank you

for not suffering the vapid orthodoxy among some that believe we fight best when we do not fight at all.

Thank you for the consistency for being more disgusted by Charlie Kirk's life than by his death.

Today is not gleeful or joyous. It is auspicious.

[QueerDuck]

97. You sound like my husband... he thinks (wonders? theorizes?) that Trump had him killed.

Crazy? (maybe) Possible? (probably)

[mr715]

99. Why?

Does your husband think Charlie Kirk knows something, or thinks that he is a useful martyr to mobilize undergrad males?

I'm not sure I buy it.

[QueerDuck]

103. They need a martyr... that's the gist of it.

[mr715]

106. That is the worry.

I think it may have the opposite effect and serve as a mortal reminder for Trump who, in case you haven't heard, is concerned he isn't getting into heaven.

As if that were in question.

[QueerDuck]

109. Fingers crossed.

[Escurumbele]

142. Do we know the reason(s) why the shooter decided to kill him?

He seems to be a man between 60-70 years of age. Did one of his kids went to the dark side because of Mr. Kirk's vial rhetoric?

I do not condone violence, but Kirk did, always thinking that it could never happen to him because the people he wanted dead were Democrats, and those he incited were on his side.

I don't know how much hurt and damage Kirk caused with his speeches, and let us not forget that his target audience was college kids, impressionable young people, that is the place where he got shot.

I feel bad for his family, his kids, but I do hope that those who preach hate and violence learn that one cannot go through life advocating violence against people one does not like, and expect that someone who does not agree with your rhetoric may not decide it is time to stop the awful messages of violence.

[mr715]

144. We do not know. nt

[barbtries]

154. the older guy I saw in handcuffs

I believe is not the suspect. All I know about the suspect at this moment is he was dressed in all black.

[NH Ethylene]

120. I would put nothing past those in charge in the WH.

Particularly Stephen Miller.

[barbtries]

155. first person i thought of

same age roughly. miller may have considered mr kirk a threat. and who can doubt miller's willingness to do such a thing.

[littlemissmartypants]

115. He's president psychopath and thanks to SCOTUS,

He's immune from any direct order he issues as president.

Characteristics of Psychopaths

*1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
*2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
*3. Very adept at manipulating others
*4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
*5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
*6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
*7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
*8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
*9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
*10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
*11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
*12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
*13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
*15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
*16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
*17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
*18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
*19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

[pat_k]

153. He absolutely meets the criteria for BOTH Antisocial and Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Anyone who argues his is not mentally ill is deluding themselves. We don't need an "examination" or structured interview using the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. Decades of real-world observation of public behavior tells the story.

Post from 2017: DT is mentally ill: Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder
____________________________________________
DT is mentally ill. He meets the criteria for Antisocial and Narcissistic Personality Disorders. And based on public conduct, I have no doubt that an evaluation would put him way up on the Psychopathy Checklist.

Lying and "distorting reality" are hallmarks. He breaks every rule in the book in pursuit of his own ends. He lies and distorts reality to rationalize and justify his wrongful conduct. To puff up his over-inflated ego he stereotypes and denigrates those he sees as out-groups. His callous disregard for others and sense of entitlement appear to know no bounds. He weaves grandiose tales of his fearsome power, omnipotence, and unequaled brilliance. He is proudly abrasive and offensive. He clearly enjoys humiliating and embarrassing others, but reacts to any perceived slight to his own person, appearance, or accomplishments aggressively and vindictively.

I'm sure there have been U.S. presidential candidates, and presidents, who could be diagnosed with a personality disorder of some sort, but I can't think any of who exhibited this level of psychopathy. I can't think of any who met as many diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder, or who met as many criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Regarding Personality Disorders in general

There are four defining features of personality disorders. These are:

1) Distorted thinking patterns,
2) Problematic emotional responses,
3) Over- or under-regulated impulse control, and
4) Interpersonal difficulties.

I think it is pretty clear that DT exhibits these defining features.

Antisocial Personality Disorder DSM-5 301.7 (F60.2)

{Lengthy discussion that proceeds diagnostic criteria omitted}

There are four diagnostic criterion, of which Criterion A has seven sub-features
.
A. Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by three of the seven sub features:

1. Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest
2. Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit tor self-amusement,
3. Impulsive behavior
4. Irritability and aggression, assaults others, or engages in fighting
5. Blatantly disregards safety of self and others,
6. A pattern of irresponsibility and
7. Lack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

The other diagnostic Criterion are:
B. The person is at least age 18,
C. Conduct disorder was present by history before age 15
D. and the antisocial behavior does not occur in the context of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder

(American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

DT meets A. He shows "Disregard for and violation of the rights of others." He exhibits at least four of the seven "sub-features."
Specifically 1 (sexual assault clearly warrants arrest), 2, 3, and 7 (I don't think there would be any argument on these three). Arguably he exhibits some of the remaining features. For example, he probably meets 3. He is clearly "irritable and aggressive," but I don't know of any reports of physical assaults in adulthood.

He only needs three of the sub-features to meet the criteria for A "Disregard for and violation of the rights of others"

He is certainly over 18, and from descriptions of him as a kid in Frontline: The Choice 2016 he exhibited the same characteristics (plus physical aggression) from a young age.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder DSM-5 301.81 (F60.81)

The definition of NPD states that it is comprised of a persistent manner of grandiosity, a continuous desire for admiration, along with a lack of empathy. It starts by early adulthood and occurs in a range of situations, as signified by the existence of any 5 of the next 9 standards (American Psychiatric Association, 2013):
-- A grandiose logic of self-importance
-- A fixation with fantasies of infinite success, control, brilliance, beauty, or idyllic love
-- A credence that he or she is extraordinary and exceptional and can only be understood by, or should connect with, other extraordinary or important people or institutions
-- A desire for unwarranted admiration
-- sense of entitlement
-- Interpersonally oppressive behavior
-- No form of empathy
-- Resentment of others or a conviction that others are resentful of him or her
-- A display of egotistical and conceited behaviors or attitudes

On this one I'd say he's nine for nine (and only needs five for diagnosis).

The "Psychopathy Checklist" is highly correlated with the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Scoring is based on a structured interview, but, given the degree to which DT meets the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I have no doubt that DT's psychopathy score is very high.

[Captain Zero]

102. Trump loves and needs distractions. He a utilitarian and will use this

probably on Untruthful Social first.

[barbtries]

152. your husband is not alone.

been chatting over this with a friend. distraction from epstein, he says.

it does appear to be a well trained sniper who killed him.

[Silent Type]

3. I'm with you. We don't win by acting like trumpsters.

[mdbl]

79. No, but they do.

[PatSeg]

104. I agree. When I start to become like them,

then it is time to throw in the towel. What is the point of becoming what we profess to hate?

"An eye for an eye and the whole goes blind."

[sarisataka]

4. People like to say they are better than others

But there is another proverb about actions and words

[Autumn]

5. He was fine with gun deaths because he revered the 2nd amendment

It makes me happy that he went to his death to preserve the second amendment right to kill another person with a gun. Fuck him. It makes me happy and yes I'm laughing about it.

[TheProle]

16. Got your amendments twisted

[Autumn]

23. LOL yes I did.

[Katnip.]

71. I'm not laughing about it

But I'm not sad at all about it.

Why should I be?

Today, like yesterday, more than 100K people will die. Why should I mourn over the likes of Kirk? He was a monster. The world is better off without him in it.

[comradebillyboy]

136. You are quite right. I don't condone murder but

I wont shed a tear for the odious Mr. Kirk.

[mopinko]

6. i'm not gleeful, but

i’m not sad, either.

[multigraincracker]

60. Thank you.

Every thing that happens, seems random to me. Does not matter if I wish it or not. I just accept it.

[Butterflylady]

143. I'm with you,

You live by the sword.......well you know the rest.....

[Butterflylady]

145. I'm with you......

Live by the sword.......well you know the rest.....

[Vinca]

7. I think most of us are more in a "you reap what you sow" frame of mind. He didn't mind sacrificing school

children at the altar of the Second Amendment. They always think it will never happen to them . . . until they're spurting blood all over a stage in Utah. I'm sure the answer, as it always is, will be more guns.

[Dr. T]

80. I hope he lived long enough to realize

what had just happened.

[barbtries]

157. from the video i saw,

it's possible he did not. I doubt he made it off the stage alive.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. Telling people how they should feel is generally received poorly. I predict

you will see that here. Finger-wagging nanny scolding is kind of . . . Karen.


Also. Kirk had no policies. He wasn’t a lawmaker or a politician. He was a bigoted gasbag misogynist white-power MAGA. He felt we should be willing to let some folks die for the 2nd amendment and he got his wish. I feel bad for his kids, but I felt bad for them before he got shot, too.

[Blues Heron]

18. +1 on the Karen

[ZDU]

63. Very well said... thank you

[mountain grammy]

77. Of all my favorite responses on this thread, and there are many,

this is my favoritest! Sorry Charlie, not sorry.

[pat_k]

81. +1 " I feel bad for his kids, but I felt bad for them before he got shot, too."

[littlemissmartypants]

119. Bingo. 🇺🇸🗽⚖️🗽🇺🇸

[Maru Kitteh]

166. Just gave you a lil

K&R.

[littlemissmartypants]

167. Thank you, Maru Kitteh. ❤️

[writerJT]

169. Does that first part apply to everything?

Or just this event?

[tintinvotes]

9. I dont see glee, I see indifference.

Charlie blamed the left for the MN shootings and political violence. It's sad that anyone in America has to worry about gun violence and political hate, but here we are, and honestly I don't think it's the left that got us here.

[leftstreet]

11. +1

[wiggs]

108. Agree. I don't see glee. Lack of sadness re Kirk the person, mostly. But all here are sad about the diminishment of

our country and public discourse generally...caused mostly by specific individuals (going back at least 30 years) and a certain political party. In my bubble it's fair to say that most people I know have been morose and sad about the new darkness and outrages we see every day now. This murder adds to the sadness and dark trends, doesn't reduce it in any of the posts I've read so far.

We should now be especially aware of the kind of cruelty, rhetoric, hate, and polarization that TSF brings to the world and of the tolerance/willful denial his supporters display. The silence and lack of discussion around this is also to blame. Light needs to be shed on this.

(To this point: see headlines and posts about new gun laws in florida)

[agingdem]

133. Indifference...exactly...

are we supposed to echo MAGA litany.."Guns don't kill people/people kill people"..or "This isn't the time to argue gun control"..or "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family"?..no more bullshit..

Charlie Kirk was a hate-spewing piece of shit...a fitting end!!!

[ProfessorGAC]

12. Sanctimonious Lecturing

Falling on deaf ears here.
Playing nice has been an abysmal failure since the Clinton administration.
I'm perfectly willing to be mean; and won't be dissuaded by having my meanness pointed out.

[mr715]

17. Pearl clutching

[Blues Heron]

21. +1

[pcdb]

111. This doesn't make DU look good at all.

The quote isn't, "Be the hate you wish to see in the world"

[ProfessorGAC]

114. Oh Good

More sanctimonious lecturing.
Just what I hoped for.
He was a tool that reaped what he sewed.
End of story for me.
Good riddance to bad rubbish, is the saying I'll go by.

[pcdb]

165. Not a lecture, but there's a big swatch of middle-ground that will recoil at this.

And if people think that down the road it might be a good idea to delete some of these posts as they're in bad taste and my come back to haunt them, forget about it. Go visit any conservative site out there. They're screenshotting all of this.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

147. People can play "not nice" without killing people the way the Minnesota shooter murdered. . . nt

[Irish_Dem]

13. Being better people lost us our democracy.

Lost our federal govt. Science, healthcare, etc etc.
Soon we shall see SS and medicare bite the dust.

Being too good does not seem to be the right answer.

[mr715]

20. I'm sure we can expect sternly worded rebukes from the Republican party

nt

[Irish_Dem]

24. But I don't give a good god damn what the hell the MAGA evil ones think or say.

[mr715]

38. Because...

you are a good man.

[yellow dahlia]

84. And these are the sentiments of a nice old lady, right?

And I mean both of us.

[Arazi]

14. I've never wished a man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure

Mark Twain

[Shipwack]

100. First thing I thought of...

And posted it to Facebook, with no explanation. Pissed off my maga people something awful….


Oh, by the way, it was Clarence Darrow who said that, not Mr Twain, though it certainly sounds like his sentiment.

[Siwsan]

15. I am completely apathetic

I know he was the father of 2 young children. It's them I'm thinking about.

[vanamonde]

40. Maybe that's two people

who will grow up with a different viewpoint on guns than the one their father espoused.

[Happy Hoosier]

19. You do you

That fucker died in a world he helped create.

[QueerDuck]

112. Thank you! I, for one, will not be shamed for celebrating.

These kind of admonitions seem to be more about signaling one's own virtue rather than any sort of realistic or meaningful or serious attempt to control the behavior of others. So... there's that, I suppose.

[Coventina]

35. The only good Nazi is a dead one. He's dead: Good!!! n/t

[Coventina]

44. Whatever. I will never say Nazis shouldn't be dead. n/t

[Queso Delicioso]

48. Consider the negation

How would it reflect on the party NOT to celebrate the death of an evil man who wished nothing but harm for the innocent?

[Torchlight]

58. Quite an assertion

[mr715]

62. My party does not suffer Nazis.

Our rights require the blood of patriots but also tyrants.

[mopinko]

66. read the comments. the vast majority of them think it's the left doing the shooting.

they’re looking in a fun house mirror. what we say has no bearing on how we’re painted.

[lapfog_1]

25. I am not gleeful that he is dead

but I understand those who are.

This person wanted many of us to either be dead or to have no rights ( or unequal rights ). His hate was palpable.

He tacitly supported violence by the right against the left

I don't need to be a better person.

https://music.amazon.com/es-us/podcasts/141cf9c6-f9ac-404b-9bcf-aa6180a22bd0/episodes/e6550d41-9936-4e10-b203-410cc6df630c/the-progressive-american-report-episode-55-maga-terrorist-attacks-nancy-pelosi's-home-charlie-kirk%E2%80%99s-defense-of-maga-terrorism-elon-musk%E2%80%99s-abuse-of-twitter-and-response-to-kevin-phares-on-mara-lago-raid

go to 12:12 in the audio and see how Charlie Kirk felt about the attack on Paul Pelosi.

[Nimble_Idea]

36. This should be a separate post and highlighted

simply based

[EdmondDantes_]

26. Unfortunately true

For whatever Kirk's shitty politics, I don't root for anyone to be killed. That sort of hate eats you up inside.

[littlemissmartypants]

127. I have to agree. ...

Before I was able to escape from a violent, physically abusive husband I used to listen to the guns of the duck hunters were we lived and wish I had one of their guns. It's the only time in my life that I entertained the notion.

It took me a while and a couple of broken bones before I saved enough secret money for my escape. But I survived without committing murder. Though even after I left it was several months after before the abuse and attacks by him and his sympathetic friends ended. I still managed to not kill him.

[NewHendoLib]

27. Not glee. Indifference. MAGA brought this on

[Karasu]

137. Decades of Republicans killing gun regulation in this country have brought this on. The left has been completely

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powerless and neutered on this issue in this country for a long time.

It's 100% on them.

Personally, I would much rather live in a country where deaths like his are impossible or damn close to it.

[hamsterjill]

28. Who are we to question karma?

I had no wish for this man to die. I had no involvement in his death.

But I refuse to be expected to mourn someone who was against common sense gun laws when I see the faces of the parents of the Uvalde victims on a regular basis.

Sometimes, karma just bites and bites hard and this is one of those times. And you can judge me all you want for not grieving this time. Stop the holier than thou crap and let people say what they need to say. No one on DU orchestrated this or wanted this, but not everyone is as saintly as some here want to believe they (themselves) are.

[AStern]

29. Glee is only okay when Charlie Kirk does it.

Not to worry, NOTHING will be done about gun violence.

[Queso Delicioso]

45. Otherwise it's just sparkling schadenfreude?

[Wiz Imp]

30. Expressing that one has no sympathy for Kirk is not gleefulness

Pointing out the irony of Kirk's position on gun deaths being acceptable and then his dying via a gunshot and saying "you reap what you sow" is not gleefulness. Pointing out what a horrible human being Kirk was is not gleefulness. 99+% of the comments I've seen fall into one of those categories.

[Samael13]

31. Yeah im not a go high person

Fuck him and fuck his fans

[Nimble_Idea]

32. The White House is literally hosing a violent UFC fight match on the WH lawn.

ARE YOU NOT Entertained?!?!?

[BootOutTheGoons]

34. No

If someone doesn't want me to rejoice over their death they shouldn't devote their life to making mine a fucking nightmare

I need to do better? No. Charlie Kirk should have

[samsingh]

37. i don't think its delight. i think we are sick of innocent people being shot with no

sympathy or support from republicans

[Tribetime]

39. Hearing that he was shot made me sick to my stomach

Even though?
I disagree with almost everything he says

[mvd]

42. I'm never gleeful about violence, but..

I can’t get upset about one less evil person in the world. And he was one of those gun victims he was willing to have.

[Queso Delicioso]

43. Nah.

I'm really bad at pretending to be sad when bad things happen to terrible people.

[ok_cpu]

46. Not at all gleeful but I do take comfort in the fact that

he was able to take full measure of the moment and risks and decide he was prepared to lay his life at the mantle of nearly unregulated firearm access.

[Scrivener7]

47. Not gleeful, but Kirk DID say a certain number of gun deaths per year are necessary

if we are going to respect the 2nd Amendment.

So ...

[ecstatic]

49. I don't feel glee. I'm numb to the news though. This is a guy who supported unlimited gun access

in the face of school shootings.

He was a racist, sexist guy who tried to encourage a generation of youth to not go to college.

I keep hearing about how "polite" he was behind the scenes. Who gives a fuck about how polite someone is after spreading poison to the masses? Stuff that has made our country a worse place to live in.

So I don't feel bad about this news.

My concern is that this will become a tit for tat and escalate into a full blown war.

I would prefer that nobody get shot.

[Keepthesoulalive]

50. No

They should try to be better. A race baiter and a man who excused rape by saying what was she wearing. I’m sick of people telling us how to feel, perhaps you should try your value shaming on someone else.

[Bettie]

51. There is a difference between "glee" and

feeling less than sympathetic.

He said this:

Turning Point USA CEO and co-founder Charlie Kirk said of gun deaths on April 5, 2023:

"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/

From that quote, he'd be fine with his death being part of the "some deaths every year". Well, probably not, he probably figured other people would pay the blood price for his adoration of guns.

I'm not gleeful. He was a human being, a terrible one, but a human being.

ETA: I will save my sympathies for the children who were injured in today's school shooting....and the one that will happen tomorrow and nearly every day, in part due to Charlie Kirk's advocacy for unfettered access to guns.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2025/09/10/3-criticallycolorado-shooting-reportedly-injures-three-at-evergreen-high-school3-critically-injuured/86082124007/

[roamer65]

52. Meh.

Yawn.

Life goes on.

[Initech]

53. I'm absolutely shocked and disturbed by what happened today.

I know I've said some shit about Charlie Kirk and my opinions about him and TPUSA are well known. Charlie Kirk was a despicable human being who made a living off sowing hate and division in this country, while attaching himself to one of the worst human beings alive. But a politically motivated assassination in front of a huge crowd on TV is fucking insane. Like it shouldn't have to come to this. I wanted Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and the rest of them to rot in prison, but not killed.

[Blues Heron]

54. Don't be sad bro

[RockRaven]

55. The sanctimonious self-congratulatory scolding of some is also disgusting...

Disappointment abounds!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

64. There are people who accept no criticism (not you). Many object to even the driest flatest suggestion (not you)

A poster can write absolutely evenly, unemotionally, with no loaded terms and some people will call it sanctimonious and condemn it. (Since you are not referring to anything or anyone specific you are not being singled out. It's about others.)

It is laughable (and sadly un-self-aware) that members criticize other members for criticizing (not you, you limited your remarks. I'm speaking about others).

[Torchlight]

56. I feel the same in regards to self-righteous posturing

I suppose we all have opinions and often get frustrated by the reactions others may have.

[Justice Brandeis]

57. I'm not gleeful at all. I wish it hadn't happened

It makes Kirk into a martyr, which he does not deserve and it makes Progressives look bad.
So yes, I wish this event had never occurred and Kirk was still alive.

[LPBBEAR]

59. Ever since

Trump slithered into the scene all those years ago we've seen a woman run over by a Nazi, Democrats in a bus run off the road, Democrat offices firebombed, the husband of one of our leaders nearly beaten to death with a hammer, Dems murdered in Michigan, etc. etc. etc. No flags at half mast, no sympathy from the right wing nuts, lies from the right wing media and people like Kirk.

Do I care about this guy? Not one bit.

[Duncan Grant]

61. "Codependent No More" by Melody Beattie

“The only person you can now or ever change is yourself. The only person that it is your business to control is yourself.”

You do you. I’ll do me. Thanks.

[ZDU]

83. Hear, hear!

Brilliant book! Thank you for reminding us.

[agingdem]

65. be better people...ok...

let's say Trump was shot and killed...your initial reaction would be what?..Charlie Kirk was a malignant racist/antisemite/misogynist/white nationalist/vocal advocate of the Second Amendment...

Words have consequences...hate has consequences....

[ZDU]

87. i thought it was Be Bestest

JK

[Norbert]

67. My only concern is Krasnov will declare a national emergency and declare martial law.

It may be one of the final pieces he needs to fulfill his wet dream to be a dicktator.

As for Kirk, my reaction to his death is a stoic one. His death is a footnote, unlike John Lennon or Marvin Gaye. That is all.

[orangecrush]

70. He's going to do that anyway

[fujiyamasan]

168. Maybe so, but this makes it that much easier

Remember, even the Nazis needed certain incidents they could take advantage of. The two obvious examples are the killing of Horst Wessel and later, the Reichstag fire.

We should all be prepared for an onslaught of propaganda, similar to the run up to the war on Iraq.

The drumbeat of “war” is eminent, but this time it’s not against a foreign country — it’s on all democrats, and pretty much anyone that dares to disagree with Trump.

[pfitz59]

68. Karma

Kirk spread hate. It rebounded. Like an echo.

[orangecrush]

69. Tell it to ICE

[SunSeeker]

72. I see no "gleefulness." Stop defaming DUers and spreading right wing talking points.

Acknowledging karma and not grieving is not "glee."

[democratsruletheday]

74. exactly right SunSeeker....

OP is outta line. Laughably outta line

[Blue Full Moon]

73. Remember this

If and when you consider mourning Charlie Kirk and/or his family and loved ones, please remember this phrase, and take it to heart.
“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage” - Charlie Kirk
He thought the shooting deaths were unfortunately worth it.

[VanceFan]

75. Sorry

One less fascist enabler.

[QueerDuck]

85. Agreed. I will not be shamed for celebrating his death.

Good riddance. He was an enemy to the lgbtq+ community.

[uponit7771]

76. Some people have been very hurt by Kirk's rhetoric

[pat_k]

78. Of course I condemn the violence.

But, I have no objections to pointing out that the man said this:

Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”

That is not "glee." It highlights the tragic costs to the nation of the reactionary insanity of opposing ALL regulation of guns, however modest and proven. No gun death is acceptable, up to and including his own.

[Iggo]

82. Get this straight right fucking now.

I’m AGAINST what happened to Charlie Kirk. Yay me.

Charlie Kirk was FOR what happened to Charlie Kirk. Fuck him.

Get it right.

[orangecrush]

86. Well said

[C_U_L8R]

88. There's no celebration here

But no surprise. Rightwing maga militancy logically ends up somewhat like this. It's the blow back of every thing they've been advocating. Now comes their over-reaction and demands for vengeance. Again, so predictable. Straight out of Tyranny For Toddlers. Ugh.

[Doodley]

90. This doesn't help the Democrat cause one bit. But, if you hadn't noticed, America is being dismantled from within.

We are losing our nation, our place in the world, our care for the sick and the poor, the basic rights of minorities, women's rights, our education system, even our elections, our science, and our history is under attack. Kirk is a co-conspirator of that. We choose how we mourn his loss or not. I mourn the loss of the police officer shot dead at the CDC who meant nothing to MAGA.

[biocube]

91. This is bad...

All of us are now in much greater danger than we were in before. May I remind you that we have a president that hates Democracy and has talked about being president past 2028. It's obviously not on par with 9/11, but it can be used similarly.

And if the shooter turns out to be a muslim or trans, those groups are going to have even bigger cross-hairs on them (figuratively and unfortunately literally).

[mr715]

93. Had the shooter been Muslim

We'd have known by now. He would've been caught before he got on campus.

Even money the dude is a run of the mill crazy person.

[Jirel]

94. LOL. All glee here.

The death of a poisonous oppressor who has contributed to thousands of unlawful arrests and deportations, injured or dead women, stormtroopers in the streets, destruction of basic legal norms, and more, is to be celebrated. Doubly so when the POS has declared empathy loathsome and the deaths of gun violence victims acceptable to keep his white supremacist buddies’ armories intact. This was perfect karma.

Should Jews have mourned the death of Mussolini at the hands of a mob?

[edbermac]

95. Suppose Nancy or Hillary got shot?

The RW would be orgasmic.

[OLDMDDEM]

96. I fully agree.

[Mustellus]

98. those who live by the AR-15....

... die by the AR-15.

[Skittles]

101. yup, just like with Luigi

gun humpers are despised here, until the target feels "right" - it is hypocritical and VERY disgusting indeed

[Melon]

105. We should kill the messenger. Ban their message

Etc etc etc.
no longer the America I know. This is disgusting.
Reminds me of the Middle East celebrations on 9/11.

[customerserviceguy]

107. Thank you

The reich wing is already describing him as a martyr. Now, Trump has all the justification he needs for creating his own version of the brown shirts. I don't expect the so-called "moderate" members of the GOP in Congress to stand in his way of any measures he deems necessary to deal with this.

This may well be the first death of the second civil war.

[WarGamer]

110. This deserves 300 recs.

[3825-87867]

116. From RFK...

"There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~ Robert Kennedy
I've been dreaming... since St. Ronnie...Since the Florida Recount...since this SCOTUS. We'll see what happens.

A quote from a Sci Fi Book By William R, Burkett, Jr - Sleepiing planet;

Does one care, when one swats a bothersome mosquito, if the insect is despondent or not? Answer: one does not. One only cares whether one has swatted accurately and if the pest is removed.

[Darnell1972]

117. Agreed

Celebrating the murder of others because we disagree with their ideas is wrong. No, Charlie Kirk didn’t “have this coming to him.” He was totally wrong on almost every issue I heard him speak about, but in a democratic society, freedom of expression critical in for marketplace of ideas to succeed. Charlie Kirk never condoned violence himself. In fact I just read that he said, “political violence occurs when people stop talking to each other,” in a civil fashion. That’s maybe the only thing he’s said that I can agree with. Those who express joy over the brutal murder of another have some severe personal problems they themselves need to sort out. Political violence should never be tolerated.

[lostincalifornia]

118. I am not going to morn him, does not mean I am "gleeful". The fact is he was a purveyor of hate.

[Xipe Totec]

122. FAFO to the gun humpers. nt

[Wifes husband]

124. I will say what I want

I don't approve of this murder, or violence in general, and I truly am sorry for his family. I do not celebrate this murder, but this guy was an asshole and I will say what I want to say about it when I want, where I want, and how I want. Also, don't care if you agree or not

[Klarkashton]

126. There is a scroll feature on the browser.

[Wifes husband]

164. Do not understand

[marble falls]

128. Doesn't hold a fraction of the glee the RW took in the Wisconsin legislators shooting. I won't be preached to, ...

... taking the high road has done nothing but make us easier targets.

[wolfie001]

130. Tots and pears

[Karasu]

131. His policies PROMOTE this very same violence. This is clearly the kind of country Republicans want, one where anyone can

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be shot at at any time, so personally, I couldn't give less of a fuck whether some people here are openly "gleeful" about it.

Speaking for myself, this news gives me no "delight" at all. I would much rather live in a country where deaths like his aren't even possible in the first place. But I'm damn well not about to go clutching my pearls and lecturing people on how to behave over it, either.

[paleotn]

132. I suppose you felt sorry for ole Adolf Eichmann as well?

Perhaps we should of just disagreed with Adolph's policies. Maybe written some strongly worded letters and sung kumbaya. Please.

If you doubt the analogy, listen to the mans words. The last words his rancid carcass will ever utter.

[Kali]

134. this shit always happens

don't stress about it. been some epic threads in the past

one of my faves was when Thatcher died.

[JCMach1]

135. Don't mistake that someone receives random justice for glee

Charlie Kirk was an evil 🧩 of 💩, period.

And no, I will not feel guilty for the planet being just a tiny bit better.

It is, and I won't.

[Martin Eden]

138. If you've been bad; lord I bet you have, and you've not been hit by flying lead

You better bow your head
You better close your eyes
And wait for the ricochet.

- Child in Time, by Deep Purple

[Devilsun]

139. I concur 100%

[enid602]

140. Fire

This might be the Reichstag Fire.

[YoshidaYui]

141. This is scary if some Republican gets

The idea its now open season on Democrats and especially if Trump fans the flames!

[Phentex]

146. They already have that idea! That's what this man promoted

Openly!

Let’s talk about all the changes in gun laws since Sandy Hook, shall we?

[NNadir]

148. Let's be clear on something. When the Orange Pedophile in the White House kicks off, as he will...

...have no intention, assuming I'm still alive, of having anything in my heart but joy.

In this case, we're talking about a person who wished to sanctify murder.

I have never owned a gun, nor have I ever wished to own one, nor would I kill someone.

That said, I'm not into ersatz holiness either.

I'm an atheist, but was raised with the Bible, and, while I find parts of that book appalling, it strikes me that the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 26, Verse 52, often paraphrased "Live by the sword, die by the sword" applies.

These people say they're into Christianity. It's their religion, not mine, but it seems they don't read their holy book, or if they do, they selectively ignore the contents.

Don't insist I be holy. How about asking them, people who worship the orange pedophile in the White House, to be "holy?"

The fewer examples of this appalling lowlife in the world, the better the world will be.

[TheDemsshouldhireme]

149. It is disgusting

I thought it was bad on reddit but the same thing here. Makes me not want to be a part of this. When you cant condemn murder, you weren't raised right.

[barbtries]

150. i haven't been gleeful.

i haven't been sad. I shall not grieve that such a bad actor has been silenced.

Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113

Last words:

“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked Kirk, according to a CNN report.

“Too many,” Kirk answered.

The same audience member informed Kirk that the number is five, and proceeded to ask if he knew how many mass shooters there have been in the US over the last 10 years.

“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/charlie-kirk-s-last-words-before-he-was-shot-dead-in-utah-addressed-gun-violence-in-us-101757538675171.html

[NewEnglandAutumn]

151. There is a difference between gleeful

and being ok with natural consequences

[iluvtennis]

156. No gleefulness at all. I'm just saddened by two things: (1) That this political violence is happening in America and

(2) The someone young like Kirk could be promoting such a backward looking ideology (white conservatism) to young college aged folks - that hurts my heart. America needs to be moving forward, not looking backward.

[viva la]

158. Well, his people made Kyle Rittenhouse, the little rat, into a hero.

I feel bad for him and his family.
But I'm giving him more grace than he gave other gun victims.

[Karasu]

162. The GOP has had every opportunity to help change that. Hell, they still could, if they really wanted to. But

they don't, and they won't. Even when it happens to someone like Kirk.

[fujiyamasan]

170. Hell, this gives them another reason to attack trans people

Why? Because something about trans mass shooters (how many was that, 2? out of 300+ this year?).

They will basically throw a dart at any issue to deflect from what actually kills so many people and the reality is they don’t want to address any of those other causes either.

It’s mental illness… well sure that contributes , why not better fund mental health clinics. Why not enable more effective background checks from them purchasing unsaid thing used to kill people.

It’s lack of religion in schools… ummm I didn’t know we had a state religion (maybe I missed a Supreme Court ruling from this court). Did these idiots ever read Washington or Jefferson on the role of religion with the state?

It’s, trans people. It’s gay people. It’s brown people…it’s Jews for enabling…it’s black people…

Oh and so much for that whole idea of using guns to rise up against a tyrannical government.

[Karasu]

171. I'm glad you mentioned that, since one of the last things out of Kirk's mouth was an attack on the mental health of

trans people--perpetuating this idiotic modern RW myth that all these recent mass shooters are trans when trans people are less than 1% of the population. Not enough people are so much as acknowledging that.

[EnergizedLib]

160. Call me disgusting all you want

I do not apologize for approving for bad things to happen to bad people.

[Ping Tung]

161. The right wing gun nuts are gleefully celecbrating the birth of a new martyr for fascism.

[BWdem4life]

163. War is hell. nt