Interesting speculation: Loomer labelled Kirk a traitor over his criticism of Trump on Epstein

[jmbar2]

Maybe this is a MAGA assassin, pissed off at Kirk's criticism of tRUmp?

I'm not buying the "alleged mistress" bit - seems too out there for a man in such poor health.

Link to tweet

[still-prayin4rain]

1. Statistically, this was the action of a RW nutjob

[yourout]

2. 90% of them are.

Not saying we don't have a couple of wackos on the left but the vast vast vast majority of them are on the right.

[rickford66]

11. Agree. But if the shooter gave a dollar to a Dem in 1980, all bets are off.

[SergeStorms]

27. They'll scour social media sites.....

looking for a single post that seems "librul" and run with it like a starving dog with a rib roast. Guaranteed.

[PJMcK]

3. Are the leopards...

… eating one another’s faces?

[EYESORE 9001]

4. My opinion, which counts for Butkus,

is that his murder was a message to the RW blogosphere that any dissent whatsoever will be met with violence.

[remo ymor]

6. This is my understanding also.

Big message to thr right..."Don't disagree with Trump or this is what you get "

[EYESORE 9001]

7. Cui bono?

Haven’t heard any voices on the right calling for release of the Epstein files today.

[PatSeg]

13. It is too early to know for sure,

but it looks like that is a distinct possibility. It came across as very professional.

[EYESORE 9001]

16. Yes, it did appear to be a professional hit job

Despite the early formulation of my opinion, it still stands to reason that - to me, anyway - the biggest beneficiary of this assassination is none other than the orange menace.

[PatSeg]

22. Or it could be anyone(s) who could be

brought down if the Epstein files were to be released. I think there are a lot of powerful people who stand to lose a whole lot if their names are revealed in the files.

[EYESORE 9001]

23. Who has the greatest advantage

where means, motive & opportunity are concerned? I’m thinking it’s the guy with a federal law enforcement agency at his disposal, whose minion is presently sowing seeds of confusion and misdirection.

[PatSeg]

38. I'm thinking possibly Putin as well

He has the experience, expertise, and resources for such an assassination.

[tblue37]

26. The just discovered ammo with pro-trans and anti-fascist markings sounds like a deliberate plant to me.

[EYESORE 9001]

28. How convenient

And obvious

[CanonRay]

43. I would not think a professional assassin would engrave his ammunition

At the least it would change the velocity of the round, and possibly the trajectory making it useless for long range shooting. Seems absurd to me.

[jmbar2]

44. Agree - too convenient

[yellow dahlia]

46. I posited that same possibility, last night.

The grifter makes examples of dissenters, as a warning to everyone else. Egs: colleges, law firms, etc.

Kirk started thinking contrary to the accepted narrative around Epstein.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Who's the party of over-armed nutjobs?

It seems the odds make that a real possibility.

[AverageOldGuy]

8. I'll confess to being a bit off-center, so, here's my wacky theory

How did Trump get out his announcement and his flags at half staff order so soon?

Who are the guys shown on video close to Kirk facing the shooter and giving hand signals?

How did the shooter get a hunting rifle through a college building onto the roof?

[haele]

15. Wouldn't think too much about any other than the first question.Answers -

1. *rump was told by staffers Kirk was dead before the announcement was made. I unfortunately saw the closer video, Kirk was obviously mortally wounded. Of course, there might have been some people in the administration (Miller, Hegseth, Bondi, Patel...) who were expecting this event, and had the script ready to put in front of *rump.
2. Hand signals could be gang signs. Idiot supporters might have been flashing White Power signs every time a Conservative Point was "scored".
3. Open carry on campus, and in some states, deer season started last week. No one probably thought twice about a student with a long gun on campus, especially if they saw that student in the athletic area or near any parking that easily accessed off campus.
Also, was there a shooting club on campus?
Some campuses that have a ROTC have an armory and shooting range on campus for training.

[Sequoia]

19. No one nearby was hit.

All the people milling about and sniper shoots him square in the neck.

[people]

33. I read that in Utah a law was passed that allows open carry (or concealed) of rifles in schools.

[Feel Good Inc]

36. Well...

1. Kirk has close connections with Trump and his administration. He was probably in contact with those there - or someone in his stratosphere was as well. Think of that episode of West Wing where Leo dies - and how quickly it gets back to Bartlet. The reality is that Kirk likely was dead instantly, or close to it. Trump was probably notified maybe even minutes after it happened and that it did not look good. Plenty of other right-wingers on Twitter also seemed to have connections and were talking about his condition. Also, Trump wasn't the first to break the news. The Utah Speaker of the House broke the news at around 2:00 Utah time saying he was dead. That was 30 or so minutes before Trump announced it. He likely waited until the family was notified - or maybe even talked to the family. But it wasn't that soon - Trump didn't announce it until over an hour or two after the shooting.

He got flags ordered at half-staff because he's the president and literally just saying it likely can force it happening.

2. Could be his security and just random movements that unfortunately happened at the wrong time. When you're free, set up a camera and film yourself. Once you "forget" the camera is on you, you'd be surprised at how fidgety or twitchy you are - whether it's touching your nose, scratching an eye, rubbing your forehead...all things that could look like signals but just random actions you're making without realizing it...especially if you're just standing there doing nothing.

3. Guns can be taken apart rather easily, especially specific rifles. He likely had it concealed in a backpack and then after the shooting maybe hid it under a blanket he also had in his backpack as he got away in the ensuing chaos.

[Arazi]

9. NeoNazis HATE Charlie Kirk. Hate him for his support of Israel

That frenzy had ramped up in the past few months according to rightwing/Nazi watchers.

[malaise]

10. Hmmmmmm

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220624932

[Celerity]

25. Charlie Kirk Backtracks on Epstein After Presidential Call

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMGcTOyRWOk/

[SergeStorms]

31. He's going to "trust his friends in the administration."

How's that "trust" working out for you, Charlie?

[Attilatheblond]

37. Wooo, now that is mighty interesting. Thanks for finding/sharing that one.

[Celerity]

39. it was discussed here on DU back 2 months ago

Charlie Kirk says he doesn't want to talk about Jeffrey Epstein anymore 😂

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220484465

Charlie Kirk says he doesn't want to talk about Jeffrey Epstein anymore, pivoting to "We have tons of announcements happening when it comes to NATO..."

— Matt Novak (@paleofuture.bsky.social) 2025-07-14T19:00:13.414Z

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220484465#post10

[Attilatheblond]

40. Thanks, I missed that

Sometimes I have to do chores around the house

[Celerity]

41. all good!

[SergeStorms]

29. The Trump death list continues to expand.

Just like the right's "Clinton death list" supposedly did in the 90s. 😁

[kimbutgar]

12. My first thought also I think it was a magaloon retribution assassination

[sop]

14. Seriously, why would someone on the left bother to kill Kirk? What would be gained? It makes no sense.

Not many on the left focus on all the rightwing social media influencers, there are just too many of them to worry about. It's mostly rightwing extremists who take Kirk seriously, then waste countless hours arguing amongst themselves as to which one is the most ideologically pure, and which one deserves to be killed for rightwing apostasy.

[Emile]

17. I have never heard of him until now.

[Hope22]

20. Seriously...

Proud to say that before yesterday I had never heard of him! My brain can only take so much!

[sir pball]

34. Of all the RW nutters, Kirk was one of the (relatively) least offensive

Not that he didn't spew endless, vile garbage, but his brand was more edgelord than openly aggressive; he was even willing to (pretend) to debate

Now, someone like Nick Fuentes, who invented "your body my choice" and openly espouses violence and ethnic cleansing I would see being more of a target…"these violent delights have violent ends".

[yellow dahlia]

47. Exactly. What is the payoff for the left? None.

And now I ask the question - who does it benefit?

[JT45242]

18. My first thought was his disloyalty over the Epstein files or Putin thought he had outlived his time as a useful idiot

95% it is likely the first.

5% chance someone he wronged (like a family member of a girl that he assaulted) was seeking revenge. This is a guy who exuded the no girl says no to me rapist vibe.

But I would bet it is a RWNJ upset over one of his opinions that is disloyal to neoNazis or mango mussolini

[barbtries]

32. and the guy's not been caught!

it could literally be a hit set up by a jealous wife or a mentally ill person who was obsessed with him. we do not know.

[angrychair]

21. Exactly

I am incredibly disappointed and frustrated that so many Democratic leaders immediately started framing this incident as "political violence" clearly implied was that it was a Democrat attacking a Republican.

That framing is both irresponsible and dangerous because:
1) NO SUSPECT
2) NO EVIDENCE

For all we know that could be a disgruntled father of an underage girl he has been repeatedly raping since she was 8.
See how I created a narrative out of thin air with zero evidence?
Even if you didn't believe its the truth, it's not, there is a small part of you that can't shake that feeling of anger that Kirk would do something like that. The psychology of being first to shape the narrative is literally the difference between peace and war.

That is my point.

What we don't need is a bunch of sycophantic posturing and bowing to the right because their favorite Nazi got himself killed because he molested little girls (see, you twitched a little reading that sentence).

The problem we face is the right has already started shaping their version of events and those on the left are only helping by using phrases like "political violence" to frame what happened with zero suspects and zero evidence.

That is dangerous and very irresponsible. They need to stop. Immediately.

[Ponietz]

42. +1 for sanity

Narratives without facts are delusions.

[yellow dahlia]

48. Agreed.

Too many unknowns and questions at this time.

But one thing that makes no sense is that the Dems or the radical left are to blame. First of all, someone on this forum said: what radical left?

The RW media and Nancy Mace are feeding an agenda and writing a narrative.

[BoRaGard]

24. The G.O.P. pedophilia crap is scalp high

[barbtries]

30. if it was an assassination planned by krasnov's abomination,

i mean administration, my money's on stephen miller to have set it up.

i didn't even know who he was until earlier this year. apparently the right wing and/or legacy media is behaving as if he was a much beloved head of state or something. that's quite weird.

[Linda ladeewolf]

35. False flag. Some nebulous action to blame on democrats.

Just like the assassination attempt last year. Get rid of the dissenters in his own party and shut them up.
Probably planned by the same person or persons. Just read about it and this is what came to mind.

[yellow dahlia]

49. It was my first thought(s).

[Celerity]

45. Those tweets are a bit misleading. Here the the timeline. The Kirk/Megyn Kelly video is from Friday, July 11th, 2025, at

the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Tampa FL.

https://www.sas2025.com/

https://backend.tpusa.com/sasagenda/

Here is the original July tweet video that the OP tweet uses:

Link to tweet

Trump called Kirk on Saturday, July 12th, 2025 to complain about it:

Link to tweet

Loomer started having a go at Kirk after the July 11th event, in the OP tweets those messages are from Saturday, July 12th and Sunday, July 13th 2025.

On Monday, July 14th, 2025, after talking to Trump, he (on his show) backed off and said he was done talking about Epstein.

Charlie Kirk Announces He’s ‘Done Talking About Epstein’ After Trump Called Him

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/charlie-kirk-announces-hes-done-talking-about-epstein-after-trump-called-him/



Pro-Trump student organizer and MAGA influencer, Charlie Kirk, told his podcast audience on Monday that he was done talking about the so-called “Epstein Files” – a day after President Donald Trump called him. Kirk’s organization, Turning Point USA, hosted its Student Action Summit in Florida over the weekend, which saw several speakers hammer the administration over its conclusion that the various conspiracy theories surrounding convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein are all false CNN’s Kristen Holmes reported on Sunday night, “President Trump called Charlie Kirk Saturday to express his support for Bondi after being shown a clip of Kirk seemingly supporting Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino over Bondi at Kirk’s Turning Point USA conference in FL.”

Attorney General Pam Bondi has been on the receiving end of an avalanche of vitriol over her apparently contradictory statements on the Epstein case, which she has worked in recent days to clarify. Late last week, several reports revealed that Bongino is threatening to quit his role at the FBI unless Bondi is removed as attorney general, adding fuel to the fire engulfing the MAGA base.

The rhetoric at Turning Point’s summit got so heated, at one point, comedian Dave Smith received loud applause while accusing Trump of “actively covering up a giant child rapist ring” – referring to Epstein. Kirk told his audience, “Plenty was said this last weekend at our event about Epstein. Honestly, I’m done talking about Epstein for the time being. I’m gonna trust my friends in the administration, I’m gonna trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it, ball’s in their hands.”

After briefly addressing some of the other news of the day, he added, “But let me just say this again – everyone knows my opinion about the Epstein thing, the messaging fumble. I would love to see the DOJ move to unseal the grand jury testimony. I think that would be a big win. I would love to see that.” “And I’m gonna trust my friends Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, my friend Pam Bondi. All these guys, Todd Blanche, I’m gonna trust them to solve it. Ball’s in their court. I think that there was plenty of, let’s say, speeches that were directed towards this topic this last weekend. So we don’t need to spend our valuable time on this program relitigating it,” Kirk concluded.

snip

also see: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMGcTOyRWOk/

I have seen the Kirk/Kelly July 11th 2025 video being posted all over social media with multiple claims that the video was from just days before Kirk was killed.

That is false, and as far as I am aware, after the Trump call, Kirk backed off the entire Epstein thing and has not pushed it since.

[Hassler]

50. All we know until Patel leaves the casino

And the remaining flunky FBI finds the suspect is that like all shooters, this one used a gun.

[RockRaven]

51. Not just Loomer either. Nick Fuentes spent years attacking Kirk and his org,

perhaps not coincidentally Fuentes has a similar target audience demographic as Kirk. Direct competition is a motive for that rhetoric, but "true believers" may not see that obvious aspect.

[Mme. Defarge]

52. Bookmarking.