And so it begins-LIVE Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved with Transgender, Antifascist Ideology MAY BE INCORRECT

[Just_Vote_Dem]

Last edited Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:48 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot

Please see muriel_volestrangler post #37 below

[JustAnotherGen]

1. False Flag

[Attilatheblond]

9. Looking more likely all the time

Now, I need to get outside and put up that Inclusion Flag. Will wear my 'You're safe with me' pin when I go grab some groceries.

[Coventina]

2. Yeah, right. I've got a cool bridge to sell them.

I've got the deed right here!!

[Attilatheblond]

4. Be careful with that deed!

Pam Bondi might wanna grab it and put it on her desk.

[Jilly_in_VA]

16. AROUND her neck would be more fitting

then she could stand on a chair, attach it to a ceiling hook..... nope, I got banned for the last imaginary thought like that.

[marble falls]

30. Better hope no undocumented workers built that bridge!

[Solly Mack]

3. Yeah, right.

[malaise]

5. Who didn't see this coming

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20626218

Reality TV on steroids

[Just_Vote_Dem]

10. Yep, copying the Nazi playbook almost to a T n/t

[newdeal2]

6. Crumbs to feed the beasts

This is dangerous.

[D. Spaulding]

13. Yes it's dangerous

Could be very dangerous. We saw yesterday Trump hold up the picture of the pretty little white girl and the gnarly looking black man. It's clear what they're doing, and they want to encourage more intense division, and possibly violence.

[marble falls]

29. Crumbs? a slab of raw meat.

[FalloutShelter]

7. This is some...

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[Alenne]

8. So Trans and Antifa

2 of their favorite boogeymen. Sounds like bullshit to me.

[Attilatheblond]

12. Trying to recall...

How many diversions has Trump racked up so far this month?

[herding cats]

14. It's definitely convenient nt

[malaise]

41. Because it is

Rec

[herding cats]

11. Here's the excerpt

Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved with Transgender, Antifascist Ideology: Sources
Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle that authorities believe was used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation.
The older-model .30 caliber hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene of Wednesday’s shooting at Utah Valley University, wrapped in a towel with a spent cartridge still in the chamber, the sources said. There were also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording on them.
Kirk, 31, was onstage going back and forth with a student about mass shootings involving transgender people when he was targeted, according to videos of the attack. The student has not been publicly identified.

I find it interesting they're saying "the student" as if that's a known.

[Takket]

22. Absolute horse shit

Only question to me is whether he is MAGA that wants to make trans persons look bad, so left these crumbs for the FBI, or if the entire weapon was just planted and then “found” by FBI.

[herding cats]

25. Those were my first questions when I read this.

It just reeks of obvious propaganda.

[StarryNite]

45. Was the towel monogrammed?

Good grief.

[LeftInTX]

52. The Minnesota school shooter had all sorts of weird stuff on their ammo. Shooter hated everyone and everything.

At first they showed the anti-Trump stuff, then later on it was just crazy anti-everything. Anti-black, anti-Jewish, anti-Latino, just vile.

[PCIntern]

15. Bad movie plot...

Beyond ridiculous.

[Jilly_in_VA]

17. It's probably a fake anyway

And you know it is, but this is sheer Nazi shit.

[johnnyfins]

18. So the shooter ran away wotj a rifle in their

Hands and no cameras recorded it? Just happened to find the gun in the woods?

If they knew this yesterday, then we know why TSF made his video last night. He was told that info.

[jeffreyi]

19. A question for those who know ammunition:

Can live ammo be safely marked with an electric engraving tool? Or using some kind of hand tool? Or would this have to be done to the empty casings prior to reloading?

[Greg_In_SF]

21. Yes

entirely possible even on a loaded cartridge.

[Turbineguy]

48. Would not an alteration affect the flight path?

[rickford66]

60. The engraving would be on the casing, not the projectile.

[Initech]

20. Well, 1 - consider the source. 2 - consider who's in charge of the FBI.

[a kennedy]

23. as I've said before.....WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION!!!!! They lie about

everything!!!!

[Initech]

33. And I have this gut feeling they will use yesterday's tragedy to do something extremely terrifying.

Not that the atrocities this wretched administration have already committed are horrifying, but I feel they may have something even worse planned.

[ecstatic]

24. No way. The real killers overplayed their hand this time

I do not believe that for one second.

We have to think about who had a motive in this situation.

Is the Epstein situation removed from the headlines now? I haven't turned on the news today. I assume it's either 9/11 tributes or CK coverage.

From my understanding, CK mentioned that he was being seriously threatened by other republicans for bringing a guy named Dave Smith onto his podcast (Smith was advocating for an end to the Israel/Gaza conflict).

There's also the matter of his wavering back and forth about the Epstein files. Did CK privately confront trump and ask for access to the files in order to be able to get back on the trump train with a clear conscience? Did a deadline pass without access to the files? By offing CK, trump could kill 5 birds with one stone - 1) escape CK's deadline about the epstein files, 2) change the subject with the media, 3) create a martyr, 4) a pretext to start rounding up trans, 5) a pretext to start rounding up people on the left (or block the left's access to guns).

[33taw]

26. This is the person that just blended into a conservative college campus?

[everyonematters]

27. This is definitely odd.

Why would someone who did all this planning which included not getting caught, leave evidence like this.

[marble falls]

28. Do not buy that crap for a milisecond.

[2MuchNoise]

31. Nonsense.

[PurgedVoter]

32. Why does the FBI have jurisdiction here?

Am I missing something that involves an elected national official or an interstate crime?

[Bluetus]

34. What I don't get about these "engraved bullets (or casings)

two things, actually:

1) Isn't that pretty hard to do? I mean you can't write a whole manifesto.

2) This implies the shooter WANTS to be caught and fully expects that. If so, why wouldn't they put out a REAL manifesto to explain their actions? If I were going to assassinate somebody, knowing I would likely be killed or spend the rest of my life in prison, I would want to take every opportunity to explain myself in my own words without the media filtering and twisting it.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

38. Brief answer to your question.

1: Not hard at all.

2: Also not at all; They're sending a message, not a manifesto. I've thought about this commonly, about how if one wished to send a message, they'd leave signs, probably a gun, probably an ammo, but no "Manifesto". A "Manifesto" implies getting caught. This one wanted to kill and survive; Their message is writ on evidence left at the scene. To be reported on, but not linking them TO it. Manifestos are ego. This was a declaration.

[Basso8vb]

35. We are all Emmanuel Goldstein now.

[NBachers]

36. So is George Soros's name also on them?

[yellowcanine]

66. Heh. My question also.

“George Soros was here.”

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. "that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out

to have been misread or misinterpreted".

In an earlier post, we included a quote from Nancy Mace referring to reporting from the Wall Street Journal that “transgender, anti-fascist things that were engraved in the ammunition and in the rifle that was apprehended” in the investigation into Kirk’s killing.

According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements “expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology”.

But the New York Times reports that “a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-shot-latest-news-updates-utah-university-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-68c2fa4b8f086519d32701af#block-68c2fa4b8f086519d32701af

[Just_Vote_Dem]

39. Thank you! I just saw this too

I will edit my post. Thanks again!

[mcar]

42. They got that info from Transphobe Nancy Mace

and didn't think to double check?

[herding cats]

44. It's a confusing sentence.

The Guardian published a quote by Mace siting the reporting by the WSJ on the alleged engravings. I think? Either way it's being walked back. Lots of walking back going on in this investigation so far.

[mcar]

55. But the damage is done

As they intended.

[herding cats]

56. Most definitely.

[yardwork]

43. Nancy Mace is the source?!

Well there you have it. She just made it up.

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. The source is the Wall Street Journal

But the first time the Guardian's live blog mentioned it was in their entry for Mace saying she wouldn't do outdoor events, and she had mentioned the WSJ claim.

[yardwork]

61. I see. But now the WSJ is walking back the claim?

Sorry I misunderstood at first. I read it that the WSJ got their info from Nancy Mace.

It's the kind of thing she typically makes up.

[muriel_volestrangler]

63. I don't know what the WSJ is now saying - a lot of their stuff is paywalled

It was the NYT that had the "ATF analysts have not checked this, there could be a mistake" line.

[joshcryer]

46. To be fair leaking this information would surely damage the case.

They need to interview the suspect and a detail like that would be brought up in the interview and prosecution process as they go through the persons life with a fine tooth comb.

In other words I don't think the ATF is denying it they are just not confirming it.

This detail would have rapidly been shared around amongst the investigators internally and WSJ thought it was valid enough to publish.

I am not saying it is accurate but we just have to wait and see.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

62. Right.

Statements “expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology” were "misread or misinterpreted."

[superpatriotman]

47. If true

Consider it an accelerant to provoke and inflame already heightened tensions

[maxrandb]

49. They know its true

because the messages were written with a Sharpie.

[mackdaddy]

50. Are these words For or Against these adjectives?

This looks like something that could be read either way.

These are concepts I want to target, or are these concepts the shooter is 'for'?

[Torchlight]

51. The popular "It could fit on the rifle butt" excuse will need an update

if not an actual whitewash.

[Ping Tung]

53. Engraved ammo huh? Was he sniping with a 20mm anti-aircraft gun?

CTs can get incredibly silly..

[sop]

54. In our media environment, the first disinformation put out is the one most people will remember.

[Ilsa]

57. Doesn't matter. They put it out on the internet and

some people will never believe anything different. Once that RW Texas turd spoke the lies about Sandy Hook shooting being a fake, some people never changed their stupid irrational hateful minds.

[Crunchy Frog]

59. This has FSB written all over it.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/russia-sims-3/

[yellowcanine]

64. "Was likely a lie" is more correct.

Details like that are not “mistakes”. Just sayin’.

[Mosby]

65. People are releasing AI enhanced pics of the shooter.

Pretty irresponsible IMO.

Not going to post them.

[Oneironaut]

67. Regardless if this is real or not, I hope everyone understands that trans people are just like everyone else.

We are not violent, and, are human like everyone else.

If this is indeed true, we’re going to hear some ugly suggestions in the coming days. But please understand that we’re scared and just want to be left alone. We only want the same rights as the rest of society, and, like everyone else, want to feel loved, comforted, and like we belong.

[Sparkly]

68. I saw it in the NY Times.

They did say the information was unconfirmed and conflicted with other facts, but why give it the ink then?

[Takket]

69. Bumping this up to say that the WAPO has retracted its irresponsible report on this matter

This was obviously a lie fabricated by someone “seeing what they wanted to see” on the bullets and shame on WAPO for being so eager to print a report from person they should no better than to trust without verifying.

[Jack Valentino]

70. 'May be incorrect' ??? Yeah, no kidding?

Those stories don't "smell right" to me---

To me, it sounds like how the far-right would imagine and WRITE it,
to most inflame their base!!!! (and try to create more hate against trans persons)


Somewhere in the vague recesses of my brain, the term 'false flag' comes to mind....

Not saying it is, or isn't, but it is not completely out of the realm of possibilities......



Waiting for results from law enforcement,
but they haven't produced much so far